If we all came from 2 people

What does that have to do with what genesis says plain as day about adam being the first human?


You have failed to show a single verse in Genesis that says Adam was the first man.

What Genesis DOES say is that God made both man and beast in Genesis 1: 25 and 26.

AFTER that seven "day" creation, AFTER man was created... on the EIGHTH "day" in Genesis 2 :5, God decided there was not a "man to till the ground." In verses 7 of Genesis and in verse 8 (chapter 2) God put this man he had formed (not created) into the Garden of Eden.

This "man" mentioned in the second chapter of Genesis was unlike the "man" that God created that merely had dominion over the other beasts. Formed man, Adam man was not only created, but now had the breath of life breathed into his nostrils where he became a living soul.

There are theories that Genesis 2 is a repeat of Genesis 1; however, the evidence is that AFTER the seven day creation, there was not a man to till the ground and that, IN MY OPINION, means that God created Adam man, which is quite different from the "man" created in the seven "day" creation.

How long was one of these days? We don't know factually. All I can tell you is that the word "day" as used in Genesis chapter 1 of Genesis comes from a Hebrew word called yowm.

In Strong's Exhaustive Concordance to the Bible, that is number 3117 in the Hebrew dictionary and it is a "space of time defined by an associated term." It absolutely does not mean a literal 24 hour day.

Whether God created the entire earth in six days as we know them or 6 million years, it is wholly irrelevant as to whether or not we all descended from Adam and Eve. We did not.

If we accept the theory that Adam and Eve were the first people the Bible calls "man," you're still stuck with the beast that had all the physical attributes of a man (see post # 40 on this thread) OR

If we accept the theory that Adam man is an EIGHTH DAY CREATION, you still have pre-Adamic man. Any way you stack it or slice it, the Bible never says that Adam was the first man.
genesis states adam was alone. It says that god didnt even make it rain yet. What human can live without plants and water?
Corinthians states h“The first man Adam became a living being”;5 ithe last Adam became a jlife-giving spirit.
Maybe the bible is just completely inconsistent.

Lots of crap; no quote from the Bible.
I have quoted it, actually. Corinthians is quoted in THAT post and its from the bible

Chapter, verse, version
Genesis chapter 2-18
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1 Corinthians 15:45 New International Version (NIV)
New International Version
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
 
What does that have to do with what genesis says plain as day about adam being the first human?


You have failed to show a single verse in Genesis that says Adam was the first man.

What Genesis DOES say is that God made both man and beast in Genesis 1: 25 and 26.

AFTER that seven "day" creation, AFTER man was created... on the EIGHTH "day" in Genesis 2 :5, God decided there was not a "man to till the ground." In verses 7 of Genesis and in verse 8 (chapter 2) God put this man he had formed (not created) into the Garden of Eden.

This "man" mentioned in the second chapter of Genesis was unlike the "man" that God created that merely had dominion over the other beasts. Formed man, Adam man was not only created, but now had the breath of life breathed into his nostrils where he became a living soul.

There are theories that Genesis 2 is a repeat of Genesis 1; however, the evidence is that AFTER the seven day creation, there was not a man to till the ground and that, IN MY OPINION, means that God created Adam man, which is quite different from the "man" created in the seven "day" creation.

How long was one of these days? We don't know factually. All I can tell you is that the word "day" as used in Genesis chapter 1 of Genesis comes from a Hebrew word called yowm.

In Strong's Exhaustive Concordance to the Bible, that is number 3117 in the Hebrew dictionary and it is a "space of time defined by an associated term." It absolutely does not mean a literal 24 hour day.

Whether God created the entire earth in six days as we know them or 6 million years, it is wholly irrelevant as to whether or not we all descended from Adam and Eve. We did not.

If we accept the theory that Adam and Eve were the first people the Bible calls "man," you're still stuck with the beast that had all the physical attributes of a man (see post # 40 on this thread) OR

If we accept the theory that Adam man is an EIGHTH DAY CREATION, you still have pre-Adamic man. Any way you stack it or slice it, the Bible never says that Adam was the first man.
genesis states adam was alone. It says that god didnt even make it rain yet. What human can live without plants and water?
Corinthians states h“The first man Adam became a living being”;5 ithe last Adam became a jlife-giving spirit.
Maybe the bible is just completely inconsistent.

Lots of crap; no quote from the Bible.
I have quoted it, actually. Corinthians is quoted in THAT post and its from the bible
The NT is a cornocopia of misquotes, including what you just posted.
Then can you translate it for me cause this is as good as it gets for me
1 Corinthians 15:45 Greek Text Analysis
 
If you think you've made a point, you're so far the only one.

What, in the dark recesses between your ears was not fairly addressed? And I'm not going to repeat points made by other posters answering your make believe issues.
genesis is make believe... wow i bet Satan just loves you

Disbelief is not proof of nonexistence.

and belief is not proof of existence.

that's pretty much why it's "faith" and not "fact".
Judaism is a religion of behavior.

so if someone picks what they observe, they aren't a Jew?
The 613 Commandments are our behavior.
 
You have failed to show a single verse in Genesis that says Adam was the first man.

What Genesis DOES say is that God made both man and beast in Genesis 1: 25 and 26.

AFTER that seven "day" creation, AFTER man was created... on the EIGHTH "day" in Genesis 2 :5, God decided there was not a "man to till the ground." In verses 7 of Genesis and in verse 8 (chapter 2) God put this man he had formed (not created) into the Garden of Eden.

This "man" mentioned in the second chapter of Genesis was unlike the "man" that God created that merely had dominion over the other beasts. Formed man, Adam man was not only created, but now had the breath of life breathed into his nostrils where he became a living soul.

There are theories that Genesis 2 is a repeat of Genesis 1; however, the evidence is that AFTER the seven day creation, there was not a man to till the ground and that, IN MY OPINION, means that God created Adam man, which is quite different from the "man" created in the seven "day" creation.

How long was one of these days? We don't know factually. All I can tell you is that the word "day" as used in Genesis chapter 1 of Genesis comes from a Hebrew word called yowm.

In Strong's Exhaustive Concordance to the Bible, that is number 3117 in the Hebrew dictionary and it is a "space of time defined by an associated term." It absolutely does not mean a literal 24 hour day.

Whether God created the entire earth in six days as we know them or 6 million years, it is wholly irrelevant as to whether or not we all descended from Adam and Eve. We did not.

If we accept the theory that Adam and Eve were the first people the Bible calls "man," you're still stuck with the beast that had all the physical attributes of a man (see post # 40 on this thread) OR

If we accept the theory that Adam man is an EIGHTH DAY CREATION, you still have pre-Adamic man. Any way you stack it or slice it, the Bible never says that Adam was the first man.
genesis states adam was alone. It says that god didnt even make it rain yet. What human can live without plants and water?
Corinthians states h“The first man Adam became a living being”;5 ithe last Adam became a jlife-giving spirit.
Maybe the bible is just completely inconsistent.

Lots of crap; no quote from the Bible.
I have quoted it, actually. Corinthians is quoted in THAT post and its from the bible
The NT is a cornocopia of misquotes, including what you just posted.
Then can you translate it for me cause this is as good as it gets for me
1 Corinthians 15:45 Greek Text Analysis
I actually feel sorry for people, Jews and non-Jews, who truly want to know but don't know the language or the content.
The NT is an abortion to anyone who's learned Tanach first.
 
If you think you've made a point, you're so far the only one.

What, in the dark recesses between your ears was not fairly addressed? And I'm not going to repeat points made by other posters answering your make believe issues.
genesis is make believe... wow i bet Satan just loves you

Disbelief is not proof of nonexistence.
The sad fact is that I know Rabbis who believe the stories in the Midrash are to be taken literally.

The real problem with all of it, you cannot take it literally and make sense of it. Secondly, we are talking about men who were inspired of God; it's not God doing the actual writing. So, those men have to write according to their own experiences, using the slang of their times.

that's still what you "believe". it certainly isn't fact-based. that's fine... but it isn't fact.
If you are into kaballah you are certainly aware that the Torah can be explained in a myriad of ways.
 
genesis is make believe... wow i bet Satan just loves you

Disbelief is not proof of nonexistence.

and belief is not proof of existence.

that's pretty much why it's "faith" and not "fact".
Judaism is a religion of behavior.

so if someone picks what they observe, they aren't a Jew?
The 613 Commandments are our behavior.

You know, there are a lot of Christians who think that the Jewish people have to follow all 613 mitzvot. They don't realize that the rules are broken down by who you are in the community. And, as far as a template for how to run a society, it's a pretty decent one.

And, many of the restrictions they had on diet made a lot of sense at the time. Not eating shellfish or pork are two good examples. Why? Because shellfish are filter feeders, and they can be bad for you if harvested in the summer months. Pork has a parasite called trichinosis which lives in the flesh of the animal. Today, it is possible to make the meat safe to eat, but back in Biblical times, there was no such technology.
 
Extreme heat can break collagen and make bones fragile. Im thinking its around 200 degrees
Search for the Malbim on the flood.
The Earth’s core came to the surface.
Where do you get this stuff? Is there a comic book or something that I can buy?
I read an article yesterday by scientists that the Earth’s polar caps will eventually flip flop.
I presume you buy into such.
Believing or considering different scenarios does not place restrictions on my life.
They were probably talking about the MAGNETIC poles, you fucking doofus. :lol:
Did you read the article?
Of course not.
And the sound bites concerning evolution are equally compelling.
"I read an article yesterday by scientists that the Earth’s polar caps will eventually flip flop"


Haha...oh man...yes, I'm sure you read an article that stated that. :rolleyes:
 
You see, I DID post post links that you conveniently ignored. You cannot go to a link and then read two sentences and think your disbelief disproves the balance of the evidence.

YOU'RE the one with the same song and dance. You think if you keep repeating your skepticism over modern misconceptions the masses have created, you've proven the basis for your criticism. You haven't. You did not address one, single, solitary link I've left here... and we both know why.

The pagans got their viewpoint from God's account of how man came to be. The people who claim the Bible calls Adam the first man are liars. The Bible absolutely does not say that and it was, most likely, people with a grudge against the Bible who pretended to be in favor of it that fed Adamic man the kool aid you keep drinking.

So, I'm tired of your broken record as well. When you go back to my earlier posts and base your responses to your now debunked bovine dung, we can move forward. If not, I can play your little game all day long.
GENESIS
How is a 2000+ year old book a "modern misconception?" My gawd man...
So pre adamic theory WAS created by pagans? :rofl:
You are boring AND dumb. Sucks dude. You have my sympathy.

I'm dumb because you are ignorant? Yeah, right. You think your beliefs discount the facts? WRONG.

What's with this game wherein I tell you that IF the pagans tell some story about preadamic man, they took it from biblical sources, you come back with that idiotic line it "WAS created by pagans?"

The real deal is, you obviously read at a fifth grade level and you spend way too much time on the Internet pretending to be honing your imagined superior reasoning skills. If you're going to discuss this topic, you must first decide to be rational, respectful and when someone presents you with facts, deal with them.

Created or evolved - creation.com

Your childishness doesn't impress me and I pity anyone stupid enough to think you have been in any serious discussion over this issue.
You didnt say "if"
Dude, that link states the world is 6K years old :rofl:
You are sitting there stating the people that wrote the OT started a pagan belief that contradicts their books.
You are sitting there adding shit to the bible that isnt there and discrediting what it actually says.
And you have the gall to talk about me?
You are a fucking joke.

I've done no such thing. My most recent links only open the door to further discussion. You never accessed nor read the links from previous posts.

So that your dumb ass can understand this: You are trying to get into the gutter because you and I both realize you don't have squat except your opinion that you think anyone gives a rip about.

They don't. You can't read or reason beyond a fifth grade level and if you want to pick fights, you should try doing it somewhere other than on a discussion board... but, quite frankly we both realize you don't pack the gear.

Whether the world is 6,000 years old or 60 MILLION years old, the basics remain the same. Man is a created being; there were pre-adamites (according to the Bible which pagans stole their ideology from) and the Bible does not purport to tell us every secret of the universe.

The Bible is a book to, for, and about the generations of Adam. (see Genesis 5 : 1)

I'm in a discussion and bring many different viewpoints to the table as I'm prepared for the truth... and that is something beyond your comprehension.

(Gen. 1:1) Did the Jews steal their creation story from the Babylonian Enuma Elish? | Evidence Unseen



The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local

Angels, the Flood, and Saturn (Part 2)

You're obviously too stupid to realize I'm not selling my own point of view. I'm comfortable enough that if I state it and then provide all the views from both sides, you can make up your own mind... if you have one.

thats EXACTLY what you are doing, retard. Maybe you should also look into Taoism. They focus on self awareness :thup:

Taoism doesn't help you make your case.

There was something undifferentiated and yet complete,
Which existed before Heaven and Earth.
Soundless and formless it depends on nothing and does not change.
It operates everywhere and is free from danger.
It may be considered the mother of the universe.
I do not know its name; I call it Tao.

Lao Tzu

The Tao includes several concepts in one word:
  • the source of creation
  • the ultimate
  • the inexpressible and indefinable
  • the unnameable
  • the natural universe as a whole
  • the way of nature as a whole
 
A theory cannot be a fact until it's proven
Evolution is proven, many times over.

Two of the ways you can see evolution happening is to look at the variety of cats and dogs we have.

All dogs came from wolves, from the St. Bernard, all the way down to the Chihuahua. Same with domestic cats, they all were feral cats that we tamed and then started breeding them to get the traits we wanted.

Another good example is to go to a pigeon show sometime. One just came through Amarillo, and the variety in the way all of those birds look is amazing. Some of them look like they have no head, some look like miniature turkeys, others can inflate their throats and puff up, it's amazing what the variety is. And, in talking to a breeder, he said that man has been doing it for literally centuries, longer even than we've been breeding dogs. And, he said that all the different varieties came from the humble rock dove.
 
Disbelief is not proof of nonexistence.

and belief is not proof of existence.

that's pretty much why it's "faith" and not "fact".
Judaism is a religion of behavior.

so if someone picks what they observe, they aren't a Jew?
The 613 Commandments are our behavior.

You know, there are a lot of Christians who think that the Jewish people have to follow all 613 mitzvot. They don't realize that the rules are broken down by who you are in the community. And, as far as a template for how to run a society, it's a pretty decent one.

And, many of the restrictions they had on diet made a lot of sense at the time. Not eating shellfish or pork are two good examples. Why? Because shellfish are filter feeders, and they can be bad for you if harvested in the summer months. Pork has a parasite called trichinosis which lives in the flesh of the animal. Today, it is possible to make the meat safe to eat, but back in Biblical times, there was no such technology.
God demands restrictions for one reason...to be holy...separate.
The Hebrew word Kodesh is almost always mistranslated as holy, but that's not the meaning.
I also hear that the Roman Empire was devastated by trichinosis.
Just kidding...everybody was aware of trichinosis and cooked their food to perfection.
 
Search for the Malbim on the flood.
The Earth’s core came to the surface.
Where do you get this stuff? Is there a comic book or something that I can buy?
I read an article yesterday by scientists that the Earth’s polar caps will eventually flip flop.
I presume you buy into such.
Believing or considering different scenarios does not place restrictions on my life.
They were probably talking about the MAGNETIC poles, you fucking doofus. :lol:
Did you read the article?
Of course not.
And the sound bites concerning evolution are equally compelling.
"I read an article yesterday by scientists that the Earth’s polar caps will eventually flip flop"


Haha...oh man...yes, I'm sure you read an article that stated that. :rolleyes:
It was sound bite Click Bait on TheHill.com...I didn't bother.
And thanks for avoiding facts by posting ad hominems.
 
Where do you get this stuff? Is there a comic book or something that I can buy?
I read an article yesterday by scientists that the Earth’s polar caps will eventually flip flop.
I presume you buy into such.
Believing or considering different scenarios does not place restrictions on my life.
They were probably talking about the MAGNETIC poles, you fucking doofus. :lol:
Did you read the article?
Of course not.
And the sound bites concerning evolution are equally compelling.
"I read an article yesterday by scientists that the Earth’s polar caps will eventually flip flop"


Haha...oh man...yes, I'm sure you read an article that stated that. :rolleyes:
It was sound bite Click Bait on TheHill.com...I didn't bother.
And thanks for avoiding facts by posting ad hominems.
I'm pretty sure you have been guilty of the same thing.
 
I read an article yesterday by scientists that the Earth’s polar caps will eventually flip flop.
I presume you buy into such.
Believing or considering different scenarios does not place restrictions on my life.
They were probably talking about the MAGNETIC poles, you fucking doofus. :lol:
Did you read the article?
Of course not.
And the sound bites concerning evolution are equally compelling.
"I read an article yesterday by scientists that the Earth’s polar caps will eventually flip flop"


Haha...oh man...yes, I'm sure you read an article that stated that. :rolleyes:
It was sound bite Click Bait on TheHill.com...I didn't bother.
And thanks for avoiding facts by posting ad hominems.
I'm pretty sure you have been guilty of the same thing.
Rarely; I have zero ego needs on messageboards.
FFI does nothing but ad hominems.
He comes off like a hateful 16 year old.
 
You're the one with a bias against the Bible. I answered your questions to the extent you answered mine. If you think so low of others, how low do you think rational people think of you?

The only thing I'm self aware of that challenges my own sanity is the fact that I waste time arguing with an idiot who has no self respect, no respect for others, and thinks that insults will yield anything other than conflict.
You either ignore what i say or you just say "nu uh"
You STILL ignore the account out of genesis. It is RIGHT THERE PLAIN AS DAY.
If i cant take the bible for what it says, whats the point?

If you think you've made a point, you're so far the only one.

What, in the dark recesses between your ears was not fairly addressed? And I'm not going to repeat points made by other posters answering your make believe issues.
genesis is make believe... wow i bet Satan just loves you

Disbelief is not proof of nonexistence.

and belief is not proof of existence.

that's pretty much why it's "faith" and not "fact".

Why else do you think that I give links to all sides of the discussion? I'm pretty sure that most rational people arrive at the same conclusion given all the facts.
 
You have failed to show a single verse in Genesis that says Adam was the first man.

What Genesis DOES say is that God made both man and beast in Genesis 1: 25 and 26.

AFTER that seven "day" creation, AFTER man was created... on the EIGHTH "day" in Genesis 2 :5, God decided there was not a "man to till the ground." In verses 7 of Genesis and in verse 8 (chapter 2) God put this man he had formed (not created) into the Garden of Eden.

This "man" mentioned in the second chapter of Genesis was unlike the "man" that God created that merely had dominion over the other beasts. Formed man, Adam man was not only created, but now had the breath of life breathed into his nostrils where he became a living soul.

There are theories that Genesis 2 is a repeat of Genesis 1; however, the evidence is that AFTER the seven day creation, there was not a man to till the ground and that, IN MY OPINION, means that God created Adam man, which is quite different from the "man" created in the seven "day" creation.

How long was one of these days? We don't know factually. All I can tell you is that the word "day" as used in Genesis chapter 1 of Genesis comes from a Hebrew word called yowm.

In Strong's Exhaustive Concordance to the Bible, that is number 3117 in the Hebrew dictionary and it is a "space of time defined by an associated term." It absolutely does not mean a literal 24 hour day.

Whether God created the entire earth in six days as we know them or 6 million years, it is wholly irrelevant as to whether or not we all descended from Adam and Eve. We did not.

If we accept the theory that Adam and Eve were the first people the Bible calls "man," you're still stuck with the beast that had all the physical attributes of a man (see post # 40 on this thread) OR

If we accept the theory that Adam man is an EIGHTH DAY CREATION, you still have pre-Adamic man. Any way you stack it or slice it, the Bible never says that Adam was the first man.
genesis states adam was alone. It says that god didnt even make it rain yet. What human can live without plants and water?
Corinthians states h“The first man Adam became a living being”;5 ithe last Adam became a jlife-giving spirit.
Maybe the bible is just completely inconsistent.

Lots of crap; no quote from the Bible.
I have quoted it, actually. Corinthians is quoted in THAT post and its from the bible

Chapter, verse, version
Genesis chapter 2-18
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1 Corinthians 15:45 New International Version (NIV)
New International Version
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

The NIV is not a canonical book of the Bible, but a paraphrase. Besides there are TWO words in that verse: man / Adam. Go back to what I told you earlier about the two different men. Adam man (Genesis chapter 2) and "man" of Genesis 1.

And your argument STILL does you no good. What about the chay? How about the pertinent verses in that chapter that dismantle your entire argument?
 
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Genesis 1:27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Or is it...
And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him.
Male and female created He them.

Or is it...
And God created man in His own image.
In the image of God created He him.
Male and female created He them.

Oh, man! This is one loaded verse!
 
Let's simplify that. God, in Himself, contains both masculine and feminine. If God possessed no feminine nature, then that would mean that women contained a nature that was completely outside of God. How could God create something which He Himself did not contain? Well, you might say, God doesn’t have an evil nature, but evil exists. No. Evil is merely the absence of good. Evil is not extant, just as cold is the absence of heat, and darkness is the absence of light. Femininity is an extant nature. Femininity is NOT the absence of masculinity. Femininity is an existential reality unto itself, and therefore God contains it in Himself.

But is that what God meant by "in His own image" which is in every version? No.

What did God do? He created for 6 days and then rested.

What did God command us to do? To do as He has done, to create for 6 days and then rest.

God is being that creates. We are beings that create.
 

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