If we banned all guns

[Valerie]

Can you think of any other use for a pool other than it's designed purpose of killing people?

that is a key point...what is the 'lawful purpose' of a weapon of mass destruction?

the second amendment speaks of citizens' right to 'keep and bear arms' in distinct context of what is 'necessary to the security of a free state' and even describes such as a 'well regulated militia'.


free-for-all mayhem was not exactly what our founders had in mind!

A firearm is not a weapon of mass destruction.
You fail. Again.

an automatic weapon is.

i'm surprised a know-it-all like you didn't realize not all 'firearms' are the same.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bzzzz, wrong. But stick to your talking points, they do you a lot of good.

He was right, you were wrong.
Same ole story over and over.
Gun control has never been shown to reduce crime.

Gun Control has been shown to reduce deaths due to guns. Go figure.

Actually it hasn't.]
Harvard Gun Study Claims Banning Weapons Doesn't Decrease Violence
Your ignorance again makes you look like an ill informed noob spouting nonsense. I wonder why?

 

[The Rabbi]

Hey, I'm all about your rights to own a gun as soon as you show me the militia you are a part of.

Hey, go ask Justice Scalia about that one.
As usual you're speaking from ignorance. If Ignorance were a place, you'd be its king.

Is this where you tell me about your militia?

No, this is where I tell you to stick it up your ass, you sniveling ignorant piece of shit.

 

[Spoonman]

If we banned all guns, bows, crossbows and swords would be back in fashion

And the murder rate would drop.

you can not provide one example of any country that has enacted strict gun laws to outright gun bans that has had its murder rate drop at a faster rate than it has in the USA since clintons assault weapons ban was lifted.

 

[RDD_1210]

Tell us, you ignorant twatwaddle.
Knife-wielding attackers kill 29 at China train station - CNN.com

And? Does that change what I said? Of course not.

Did I say the murder rate would be 0, nope. I said drop. Try again loverboy.

Absolutely no proof to your statement. None whatsoever.
You have nothing because you are a total ignoramus masquerading as sentient.

None except for pretty much every other 1st world nation that has stricter gun laws and thus lower death rate from guns. Sorry to burst your bubble sparky but facts don't agree with your obvious agenda.

 

[martybegan]

Well Regulated.

the Militia is to be "well regulated", which means well formed or described in 1700's speak. The people's right to arms cannot be infringed. Commas mean something.

Hey, I'm all about your rights to own a gun as soon as you show me the militia you are a part of.

You don't have to be part of a militia. Its not the people's fault the states do not call on the militias anymore. The PEOPLE still retain the right to keep and bear arms.

You didn't join the militia and then were provided with a weapon, the Militia was called out, and you arrived WITH YOUR OWN GUN.

 

[The Rabbi]

that is a key point...what is the 'lawful purpose' of a weapon of mass destruction?

the second amendment speaks of citizens' right to 'keep and bear arms' in distinct context of what is 'necessary to the security of a free state' and even describes such as a 'well regulated militia'.


free-for-all mayhem was not exactly what our founders had in mind!

A firearm is not a weapon of mass destruction.
You fail. Again.

an automatic weapon is.

i'm surprised a know-it-all like you didn't realize not all 'firearms' are the same.

You're kidding, right?
How many automatic weapons are out there? You couldn't even define what one is, much less know anything about it.

 

[RDD_1210]

regulated by ourselves, as was intended

The government is "ourselves". We the people....ya know.

Then i'll make my own laws

You rebel you. You're free to leave any time.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[The Rabbi]

And? Does that change what I said? Of course not.

Did I say the murder rate would be 0, nope. I said drop. Try again loverboy.

Absolutely no proof to your statement. None whatsoever.
You have nothing because you are a total ignoramus masquerading as sentient.

None except for pretty much every other 1st world nation that has stricter gun laws and thus lower death rate from guns. Sorry to burst your bubble sparky but facts don't agree with your obvious agenda.

Mexico has stricter gun laws.
South Africa has stricter gun laws
Looks like another ignorant statement from possibly the most ill informed member on this site.
Why are you wasting everyone's time posting things that are not true and easily disproved?

 

[RDD_1210]

He was right, you were wrong.
Same ole story over and over.
Gun control has never been shown to reduce crime.

Gun Control has been shown to reduce deaths due to guns. Go figure.

Actually it hasn't.]
Harvard Gun Study Claims Banning Weapons Doesn't Decrease Violence
Your ignorance again makes you look like an ill informed noob spouting nonsense. I wonder why?

I said, gun control reduces deaths due to guns. Where did I say anything about the vague term "violence". Try again.

 

[martybegan]

Same as it is now.

The police are not required to protect you, I suggest you read the applicable case law.

I suggest you come up with a better strawman next time.

Otherwise know as "RDD doesn't have an answer so he mutters some logical fallacy accusation and goes scuttling off again"

and your quote in your header is a joke. You are one of the biggest progressive lemmings on this board.

Eat a neg for being an asshat.

 

[RDD_1210]

Hey, go ask Justice Scalia about that one.
As usual you're speaking from ignorance. If Ignorance were a place, you'd be its king.

Is this where you tell me about your militia?

No, this is where I tell you to stick it up your ass, you sniveling ignorant piece of shit.

See this is just more proof that you yourself are not mature enough to possess a firearm. You need to learn how to keep your emotions in check sweet cheeks.

 

[martybegan]

So if a law isn't perfect it's not worthwhile?

Its that the law has no real impact, and making it more stringent will have the same negligent impact. Gun control people propose laws that only seek to disarm law abiding citizens, or at least make it very difficult for them to arm themselves.

Bzzzz, wrong. But stick to your talking points, they do you a lot of good.

again, an RDD "non-answer"

But keep on yammering about militias, it makes you look like an idiot.

 

[Valerie]

OK. let's say the Diane Feinsteins of the world got their wish and the US imposed a total ban on guns, no private citizen was allowed to own one.

the OP is dishonest, as usual...





Assault Weapons Ban of 2013

What the bill does:

The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:

All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this page).

The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
Antique weapons.

The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:

The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.

The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.
Banning dangerous aftermarket modifications and workarounds.
Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a workaround to prohibitions on detachable magazines.
Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a workaround to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.
Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.

The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines currently in existence by:

Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault weapon.
This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.
Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.
Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.
Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices manufactured after the date of the bill’s enactment be engraved with the serial number and date of manufacture of the weapon

Assault weapon bans have been proven to be effective

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was effective at reducing crime and getting these military-style weapons off our streets. Since the ban expired, more than 350 people have been killed and more than 450 injured by these weapons.

A Justice Department study of the assault weapons ban found that it was responsible for a 6.7% decrease in total gun murders, holding all other factors equal.
Source: Jeffrey A. Roth & Christopher S. Koper, “Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994,” (March 1997).
The same study also found that “Assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as victims.”
The use of assault weapons in crime declined by more than two-thirds by about nine years after 1994 Assault Weapons Ban took effect.
Source: Christopher S. Koper, “An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003” (June 2004), University of Pennsylvania, Report to the National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice.
The percentage of firearms seized by police in Virginia that had high-capacity magazines dropped significantly during the ban. That figure has doubled since the ban expired.
Source: David S. Fallis and James V. Grimaldi, “In Virginia, high-yield clip seizures rise,” Washington Post, at In Virginia, high-yield clip seizures rise
When Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity magazines in 1994, it led to a 55% drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore Police Department.
Source: Douglas S. Weil & Rebecca C. Knox, Letter to the Editor, The Maryland Ban on the Sale of Assault Pistols and High-Capacity Magazines: Estimating the Impact in Baltimore, 87 Am. J. of Public Health 2, Feb. 1997.
37% of police departments reported seeing a noticeable increase in criminals’ use of assault weapons since the 1994 federal ban expired.
Source: Police Executive Research Forum, Guns and Crime: Breaking New Ground by Focusing on the Local Impact (May 2010).  

List of firearms prohibited by name

Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.

Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.

Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

Assault Weapons Ban summary - Assault Weapons - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein

 

[RDD_1210]

If we banned all guns, bows, crossbows and swords would be back in fashion

And the murder rate would drop.

you can not provide one example of any country that has enacted strict gun laws to outright gun bans that has had its murder rate drop at a faster rate than it has in the USA since clintons assault weapons ban was lifted.

Murder rate due to guns? Or just murder rate? I want to be clear before you move the goals posts on me.

 

[The Rabbi]

Gun Control has been shown to reduce deaths due to guns. Go figure.

Actually it hasn't.]
Harvard Gun Study Claims Banning Weapons Doesn't Decrease Violence
Your ignorance again makes you look like an ill informed noob spouting nonsense. I wonder why?

I said, gun control reduces deaths due to guns. Where did I say anything about the vague term "violence". Try again.

So deaths due to guns aren't violence? WTF?

 

[RDD_1210]

the Militia is to be "well regulated", which means well formed or described in 1700's speak. The people's right to arms cannot be infringed. Commas mean something.

Hey, I'm all about your rights to own a gun as soon as you show me the militia you are a part of.

You don't have to be part of a militia. Its not the people's fault the states do not call on the militias anymore. The PEOPLE still retain the right to keep and bear arms.

You didn't join the militia and then were provided with a weapon, the Militia was called out, and you arrived WITH YOUR OWN GUN.

Oh, so no militia, no guns. Got it.

You gun grabber, you!

 

[The Rabbi]

Is this where you tell me about your militia?

No, this is where I tell you to stick it up your ass, you sniveling ignorant piece of shit.

See this is just more proof that you yourself are not mature enough to possess a firearm. You need to learn how to keep your emotions in check sweet cheeks.

You post jokes about militias and tri corner hats and I'm not mature? I suspect you are probably 15 years old, going on 9.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hey, I'm all about your rights to own a gun as soon as you show me the militia you are a part of.

You don't have to be part of a militia. Its not the people's fault the states do not call on the militias anymore. The PEOPLE still retain the right to keep and bear arms.

You didn't join the militia and then were provided with a weapon, the Militia was called out, and you arrived WITH YOUR OWN GUN.

Oh, so no militia, no guns. Got it.

You gun grabber, you!

You ignorance of the law is astounding.

 

[kiwiman127]

If Feinstein got her wish, hunting would be a bummer. There is no way I could effectively hunt ducks and pheasants with a bow & arrow. Deer hunting maybe, but that would be a stretch.
We have a problem with the deer population in Minnesota already (even in the city of Minneapolis). Driving down the road would be a real adventure.