If we had a capitalist health care system life expectancy would probably be 100-110.

[sealybobo]

Just show us that the richest Americans live to be 100-110 on average,

we all would live that long under a capitalist system. Compare a communist car with an American capitalist car. Health care would be the same.


In 1980 you paid 10 years salary in Hungary for a car without a gas gage (dip stick instead) that had to be backed up a hill because of a gravity fed carburetor. They employed engineers by the 1000's all of whom swore that was the best they could do.

It is not until you have had years and years of free Republican capitalist competition that you have any idea how many engineers are needed, at what salary, to produce what quality.

Can you understand the analogy?

Thin/Weak argument.

First of all, we didn't have a "free market" unregulated capitalistic society that paid low wages. Remember Ford paid well enough so his employees could afford to buy the product they made, and unions brought the middle class' wages up. It wasn't free unregulated capitalism.

How about you compare an American car with a Jap or Chinese car? Do Japs and Chinese people live longer?

And Capitalism is just like any other ism. It too has been corrupted. In years we will have a refined system and "unregulated free market capitalism" will be just as dirty a term as socialism.

America is great because of regulated capitalism but it only works well when the government is a neutral 3rd party. The rich/corporations/lobbyist have taken over our government. If you deny it then you deny the very government you say you hate is corrupt. Then you become as naive as the liberals you think believe the democrats do no wrong. We understand they are almost just as bad as the GOP, but we also know the entire game is rigged so you can't expect them to not suck up to special interest when that's the name of the game.

So anyways, we need the government to go back to being the ref between the workers and the corporations. That should be one of their top priorities. But they can't. They can't get campaign finance reform or undo Citizens United because too many poor and middle class fools like you vote GOP.

You think your government is the enemy. Well it is if you keep voting GOP.

And if you want you can tea bag the Democrats. But don't waste your time tea bagging or libertarianing thru the GOP because those groups are also run/backed & supported by the Koch brothers. They would love a winner take all society, eat or be eaten, survival of the fittest every man for himself society.

Do you think you'd do well in that scenerio? I think not.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It is the poor that create jobs. Huh? That's right. If they have money in their pockets,

a little Econ 101 for you. Imagine you're back in the stone with few inventions. One economist says lets print a lot of money and give it to the poor to create jobs.

Another economist says lets encourage the smartest among us to invent or supply new products.

Which economist creates real jobs and really advances civilization. Now you understand supply side eeconomics

Please print and post on fridge for daily thought. Thanks

 

[konradv]

We don't have a capitalist health care system today because liberals lack the IQ to understand capitalism. Should we hold liberals responsible for taking 20 years off everyone's life??

Republicans think "supply and demand" is a wild liberal theory. And they think to lecture the world on the benefits of "trickle down". Trickle down, tax cuts and cutting safety regulations - their entire economic policy. No wonder everyone laughs at them.

can you say why you disagree with capitalism? Would you favor tax cuts for the poor, who don't pay taxes by the way, so their new businesses and inventions, encouraged by the tax cuts, will trickle up to the rich?
Isn't thinking fun?

We've cut taxes quite a bit over the years. Where are all the jobs promised for doing so?!?!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

First of all, we didn't have a "free market" unregulated capitalistic society

I'm afriad the point is that compared to the Hungarian economy ours was very free and produced far superior cars. Do you understand now?

 

[sealybobo]

They were rich before we gave them the Reagan tax breaks, the HW tax breaks, the Clinton tax breaks or the Bush tax breaks. Hell, they've been getting tax breaks under Obama too. How's that working?

actually the top 1% paid 22% of federal income taxes inder Reagan and it has gone up steadily since then to around 40% now. Its not working well. You must think and read before you post.

Nonsense Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

 

[sealybobo]

First of all, we didn't have a "free market" unregulated capitalistic society

I'm afriad the point is that compared to the Hungarian economy ours was very free and produced far superior cars. Do you understand now?

No one wants to run the country like hungary.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

America is great because of regulated capitalism.

of course thats liberal and so 100% idiotic. Where you have the most regulation you have the worst problems: health care, education, finance. Do you understand now?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

First of all, we didn't have a "free market" unregulated capitalistic society

I'm afriad the point is that compared to the Hungarian economy ours was very free and produced far superior cars. Do you understand now?

No one wants to run the country like hungary.

of course thats 100% liberal and idiotic. Obama inherited the largest most regulating govt in American History and all he wants to do is make it far far bigger still. THE more lib soviet regulation fails the more libs want more regulation to solve the problem.

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread."-Thomas Jefferson

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

C. S. Lewis on Diabolical Democracy, Socialism, and Public Education « Conservative Colloquium


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."
--- Roger Nash Baldwin

 

[NYcarbineer]

of course thats so silly, who would buy from a wicked man who produced wicked goods and services? We got from stone age to here because people do business with good people producing good products. Do you understand now?

The slave plantations never had problems selling the cotton, tobacco, and sugar they produced, did they?

slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Did you know that or am I the one teaching it to you?

Utilizing slaves for labor is the purest form of unregulated capitalism. As soon as government passes laws prohibiting slavery,

capitalism becomes regulated.

 

[sealybobo]

America is great because of regulated capitalism.

of course thats liberal and so 100% idiotic. Where you have the most regulation you have the worst problems: health care, education, finance. Do you understand now?

Republicans broke all the things they don't like. Prison, government, schools, the unions, the American Middle class.

Lets just be brutally honest. Republicans don't like unskilled union labor making $17.50 hr plus full benefits. Let us just be honest you guys like the jobs that came back at $10 hr. Be honest. So, don't say wages are down under Obama or pretend you care. It is a fact the American Middle Class was the highest paid middle class in the history of the world. That's why the rich hire illegals. That's why they sent jobs overseas. To destroy the unions and labor and the too high paid middle class.

If you owned a company, would you hire mexicans in mexico at $3 a day or an American for $17.50 hr? Exactly. So our government should not allow you to ship your shit back here without a tariff. Either make it here at home or go fuck yourself. Sell that shit to mexicans if you hire mexicans. Understand?

This country was just fine until the people that got Reagan elected started undoing the new deal. HW wasn't so bad, then Clinton. They got NAFTA and the Media Deregulations passed under Clinton, so slowly from Reagan to Clinton they've been dismantling America's safety nets. That's the short answer. And under Bush they picked up big time steam undoing the new deal and ruining America's economy ON PURPOSE. Not only that they are making a killing doing it!!! Even under Obama they are getting what they want. Are you? I doubt it. Healthcare going up, cost of living, etc. The masses aren't making more, we are paying more. If you give the rich tax breaks, that puts more of the burden on the middle class.

So either you are rich and not one of us, or a fool. Which is it?

 

[Synthaholic]

If we want to see firsthand what a government health care system looks like, visit a VA Hospital.
All the employees, from the receptionist to the physicians to the pharmacists are Government employees. The physicians get paid the same if they see 2 patients a day or 50.

Corruption is rampant.

Now boys and girls, you say "capitalist" healthcare system when you should mean a "free market" health care system.
The evil profit motive!
As an example, how many MRI machines are in Canada with it's state run system? What is the wait time to get to one, and how far must they travel?
But here in the US, there are private imaging centers popping up all over. And they charge LESS than the hospitals. Some charge less than HALF. They wouldn't do that if there wasn't a profit in it.

Oh, and just to let you know, New York State has more MRI machines than all of Canada. I live in rural Vermont. I had to have an MRI done last month. I was seen within 36 hours from the time the appointment was made. But I did have to travel all of a half hour to the hospital.

We need to overhaul the entire health insurance system, top to bottom. And in doing so we must touch the third rail of the Democrat party... the LAWYERS! Anybody notice how the lawyers successfully lobbied to not be included in any Ostupidcare reforms?

Our next President should task Dr Ben Carson with overseeing healthcare reform from the top down.
One way is to have all hospitals have a fee schedule for procedures. Some hospitals charge 3 times as much as others for the same thing. But as long as somebody else (insurance) is paying, so what? Right?

Doesn't Dr Carlson want all insurance companies to be non-profit as part of his plan to lower costs?
Actually, I like that idea. His reasoning is quite sound for that concept.

If he was a Democrat, wingnuts would be yelling "Communist!!!"

 

[NYcarbineer]

of course thats so silly, who would buy from a wicked man who produced wicked goods and services? We got from stone age to here because people do business with good people producing good products. Do you understand now?

The slave plantations never had problems selling the cotton, tobacco, and sugar they produced, did they?

slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Did you know that or am I the one teaching it to you?

You dodged the point. Why did people readily buy the goods produced by slave labor, if according to your revisionist history,

people only patronized good people producing good products?

Are you taking the position that slave owners were good people?

 

[sealybobo]

I'm afriad the point is that compared to the Hungarian economy ours was very free and produced far superior cars. Do you understand now?

No one wants to run the country like hungary.

of course thats 100% liberal and idiotic. Obama inherited the largest most regulating govt in American History and all he wants to do is make it far far bigger still. THE more lib soviet regulation fails the more libs want more regulation to solve the problem.

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread."-Thomas Jefferson

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

C. S. Lewis on Diabolical Democracy, Socialism, and Public Education « Conservative Colloquium


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."
--- Roger Nash Baldwin

Bush did some deregulating and those things caused the housing & wallstreet crashes and his great recession.

We don't want socialism. BUT, we also don't want prisons, police and all schools to be for profit. We don't want a corporation owning Yellowstone but we know you do.

I'm not against the EPA and FDA and other federal government agencies. These things should not be privatized.

So our country is part capitalism & part socialism.

Oh, I got one for you. We may agree on this. I don't like private bankers being the people behind the Federal Reserve. Is the Fed socialism or capitalism? The bankers that run the Federal Reserve aren't even necessarily all Ameicans. Should we have the gold standard? I wish the government would run this. Remember the bank robbery of 2007 on Bush's watch? That was done on purpose because the bankers now own the government. Bush works for them. The TARP was just a big bank robbery.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The slave plantations never had problems selling the cotton, tobacco, and sugar they produced, did they?

slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Did you know that or am I the one teaching it to you?

You dodged the point. Why did people readily buy the goods produced by slave labor, if according to your revisionist history,

people only patronized good people producing good products?

Are you taking the position that slave owners were good people?

eddy, of course, believes the slave owners were good people

 

[Borillar]

Millionaires and Billionaires can afford any medical procedures and healthcare they want. If capitalistic healthcare increases lifespans 20 years, why aren't the rich already living 110 years?

 

[kiwiman127]

Jake, going to put you on ignore again if you don't try to make substantive comments.

Let us know when you're going to make substantive comments, will ya?

please present one that wasn't or admit as a typical liberal you cant.

All your posts are bullshit. How's that?
Now several posters have asked you to back up your bullshit with links and of course you haven't. So the obvious conclusion is you are full of shit.

 

[ScienceRocks]

slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Did you know that or am I the one teaching it to you?

You dodged the point. Why did people readily buy the goods produced by slave labor, if according to your revisionist history,

people only patronized good people producing good products?

Are you taking the position that slave owners were good people?

eddy, of course, believes the slave owners were good people

The tea party economic belief system is of the 19th century. They wouldn't give a shit if half of this country lived on a dollar per day as long as the rich got theirs! Regulating banks, forget about it!

They hate government! Heck, they'd legalize slavery and child labor again if they could.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Matthew, indeed.

eddy is the goober who was telling us some time ago that Jefferson started the modern Republican Party.

He is cognitively deficient. I don't know that he is an adult in years but does remind of a young man at one of our local restaurants who buses tables. Simply can't do anything else but sure talks a lot.

 

[JFK_USA]

That's pretty retarded there, if we had an entirely pay-or-die system the life expectancy of medical professionals would be about five seconds after they turned away someone's dying child.

who is talking about pay or die???

A capitalist health care system (whatever that is) would be motivated entirely by the ability to pay, not by empathy or public health or anything else, maybe you need to explain your terms because there is nothing charitable or nice about capitalism.

No shit. We already have a capitalist system of healthcare and it's the worst in the industrialized world. Barely above Cuba.

 

[rdean]

We don't have a capitalist health care system today because liberals lack the IQ to understand capitalism. Should we hold liberals responsible for taking 20 years off everyone's life??

Republicans think "supply and demand" is a wild liberal theory. And they think to lecture the world on the benefits of "trickle down". Trickle down, tax cuts and cutting safety regulations - their entire economic policy. No wonder everyone laughs at them.

can you say why you disagree with capitalism? Would you favor tax cuts for the poor, who don't pay taxes by the way, so their new businesses and inventions, encouraged by the tax cuts, will trickle up to the rich?
Isn't thinking fun?

I'll tell you what, why don't you give us a detailed explanation of what you imagine capitalism to be? Because your other statement seem to indicate you don't have a clue. Clear that up for us. Show everyone you know what you are talking about.