If you don't want guns don't buy them?

[The Rabbi]

So you believe in the concept of guilty until proven innocent, I thought that was antithetical to our justice system. But you also want to disadvantage the law abiding because the legal system fails, that makes a lot of sense, NOT!

not quite sure how keeping guns away from criminals and the mentally ill is finding them guilty until proven innocent.

It's isn't.

No one is advocating due process rights be abridged or abandoned – only those afforded their comprehensive right to due process are placed in the FBI's NICS database, only those who have been adjudicated a felon or mentally ill are designated a prohibited person, and those denied pursuant to a NICS background check have the right to appeal.

It is when you advocate that everyone taking a particular pill is denied their rights as she has, without due process.

What about people who get shot? Where's their due process?

You could ask the same if someone is beaten to death, doesn't alter the fact that the criminal is entitled to due process before their rights are restricted, same applies to the law abiding people whether they take a pill or not.

Victims don't get due process. That's why the act that made them victims is a crime.
What a fucking dunce he is.

 

[Flash]

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And the far right, as represented by Ted Cruz and more than a few posters here, believe all criminals are leftists, and PredFan immediately zeroed in on criminals and ignored every other category of people who shouldn't have guns.

Combine the two, and where do you think that would be going?

The great majority of crime in the US is in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes that usually vote Democrat so Cruz was right on that.

A lot more right than when filthy ass Obama called veterans potential terrorists.

The Democrats stopped the Grassely Cruz bill that would have made it more difficult for the mentally ill to get firearms so don't tell me that Liberals really give a shit about doing something reasonable.

Sens. Grassley and Cruz roll out alternative gun control bill

The bill criminalizes straw purchasing and trafficking, measures Grassley supported in committee hearings on the gun control bill that will go before the Senate later this month. It also seeks to increase safety at schools, keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, and increases accountability for prosecutions at the executive level by requiring the Department of Justice to submit reports to Congress.

 

[OKTexas]

[Q


And the far right, as represented by Ted Cruz and more than a few posters here, believe all criminals are leftists, and PredFan immediately zeroed in on criminals and ignored every other category of people who shouldn't have guns.

Combine the two, and where do you think that would be going?

The great majority of crime in the US is in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes that usually vote Democrat so Cruz was right on that.

A lot more right than when filthy ass Obama called veterans potential terrorists.

The Democrats stopped the Grassely Cruz bill that would have made it more difficult for the mentally ill to get firearms so don't tell me that Liberals really give a shit about doing something reasonable.

Sens. Grassley and Cruz roll out alternative gun control bill

The bill criminalizes straw purchasing and trafficking, measures Grassley supported in committee hearings on the gun control bill that will go before the Senate later this month. It also seeks to increase safety at schools, keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, and increases accountability for prosecutions at the executive level by requiring the Department of Justice to submit reports to Congress.

There ya go, it requires government accountability, regressives can't have that.

 

[martybegan]

Wrong. It's all Americans right.

Serious question Jill: Why should Pedophiles NOT own guns? Should they NOT defend themselves?

Prediction: You'll just laugh and not answer.

pedophiles shouldn't own guns because they have committed crimes against another person. fair enough?

i'm not laughing and I did answer. I was sort of expecting someone to ask that.

That would usually make them felons, and thus banned from ownership anyway.

and what do you do to the drinking buddy who sells them the gun?

That's already illegal. Prosecute the bastard, don't make me wait 3-6 months for a gun because of it.

i'm ok with you having to wait. sorry. you don't have a right to instant gratification.

btw, you'll be pleased to know there is an active shooter and another mass shooting in san bernadino California.

How would I be pleased, you dried up miserable twat? You are a fucking ghoul.

And 3-6 months is too long to wait for a law abiding citizen.

 

[martybegan]

Background checks and magazine restrictions are Constitutional:
https://www.coloradoattorneygeneral...4/06/26/062614_krieger_opinion_outfitters.pdf

Then let the cops be covered by them as well. If I can't have a +10 mag, they shouldn't either.

 

[martybegan]

Hillary has a record of advocating for commonsense approaches to reduce gun violence:

• As first lady, she co-convened a White House Summit on School Violence after the Columbine tragedy. She also strongly defended the Brady Bill, which instituted federal background checks on some gun sales.
  
  
• As senator, she co-sponsored and voted for legislation to close the gun show loophole by requiring criminal background checks on all transactions taking place at events that sell firearms.
  
  
• She voted against the dangerous immunity protections Congress provided gun dealers and manufacturers that prevent victims of gun violence from holding negligent manufacturers and dealers accountable.
  
  
• She also co-sponsored and voted for legislation to extend and reinstate the assault weapons ban.

As president, Hillary will increase the number of gun sales subject to background checks:

• Comprehensive federal background check legislation. Background checks reduce gun trafficking, reduce the lethality of domestic violence, and reduce unlawful gun transfers to dangerous individuals. It is reprehensible that bipartisan legislation supporting background checks failed in Congress after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. But Hillary is not giving up—she will continue to fight for legislation to build on the Brady Bill’s success.
  
  
• Closing the “Charleston Loophole.” Hillary will push Congress to close the loophole that allows a gun sale to proceed without a completed background check if that check has not been completed within three days. This loophole allowed the alleged Charleston shooter to purchase a gun even though he had a criminal record.
  
  
• Tightening the gun show and Internet sales loophole if Congress won’t. If Congress refuses to act, Hillary will take administrative action to require that any person attempting to sell a significant number of guns abide by the same commonsense rules that apply to gun stores—including requiring background checks on gun sales.

To ensure that the safety of our communities is prioritized over the profits of the gun lobby, Hillary will also:

• Repeal the gun industry’s unique immunity protection. Hillary believes the gun industry must be held accountable for violence perpetrated with their guns. Hillary will lead the charge to repeal the so-called “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act,” a dangerous law that prevents victims of gun violence from holding negligent manufacturers and dealers accountable for violence perpetrated with their guns.
  
  
• Revoke the licenses of bad-actor dealers. Hillary believes we must do more to crack down on gun stores that flood our communities with illegal guns. As president, she will provide funding to increase inspections and aggressively enforce current law by revoking the licenses of dealers that knowingly supply straw purchasers and traffickers.

Hillary will fight to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, other violent criminals, and the severely mentally ill:

• Support legislation to stop domestic abusers from buying and possessing guns. Although federal law generally prohibits domestic abusers from purchasing or possessing guns, this protection does not apply to people in dating relationships or convicted stalkers. Hillary will fight for legislation to prohibit all of these domestic abusers and stalkers from buying guns.
  
  
• Make straw purchasing a federal crime. When an individual with a clean record buys a gun with the intention of giving it to a violent felon—only so that felon can avoid a background check—it should be a crime. Hillary will fight to make so-called “straw purchasing” a federal crime.
  
  
• Close loopholes that let persons suffering from severe mental illness purchase and possess guns. Hillary will fight to improve existing law prohibiting persons suffering from severe mental illness from purchasing or possessing a gun. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives should finalize its rulemaking to close loopholes in our laws and clarify that people involuntarily committed to outpatient treatment, such as the Virginia Tech shooter, are prohibited from buying guns.
  
  
• Keep military-style weapons off our streets. Military-style assault weapons do not belong on our streets. They are a danger to law enforcement and to our communities. Hillary will work to keep assault weapons off our streets and supports reinstating the assault weapons ban.

Fuck her.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hillary has a record of advocating for commonsense approaches to reduce gun violence:

• As first lady, she co-convened a White House Summit on School Violence after the Columbine tragedy. She also strongly defended the Brady Bill, which instituted federal background checks on some gun sales.
  
  
• As senator, she co-sponsored and voted for legislation to close the gun show loophole by requiring criminal background checks on all transactions taking place at events that sell firearms.
  
  
• She voted against the dangerous immunity protections Congress provided gun dealers and manufacturers that prevent victims of gun violence from holding negligent manufacturers and dealers accountable.
  
  
• She also co-sponsored and voted for legislation to extend and reinstate the assault weapons ban.

As president, Hillary will increase the number of gun sales subject to background checks:

• Comprehensive federal background check legislation. Background checks reduce gun trafficking, reduce the lethality of domestic violence, and reduce unlawful gun transfers to dangerous individuals. It is reprehensible that bipartisan legislation supporting background checks failed in Congress after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. But Hillary is not giving up—she will continue to fight for legislation to build on the Brady Bill’s success.
  
  
• Closing the “Charleston Loophole.” Hillary will push Congress to close the loophole that allows a gun sale to proceed without a completed background check if that check has not been completed within three days. This loophole allowed the alleged Charleston shooter to purchase a gun even though he had a criminal record.
  
  
• Tightening the gun show and Internet sales loophole if Congress won’t. If Congress refuses to act, Hillary will take administrative action to require that any person attempting to sell a significant number of guns abide by the same commonsense rules that apply to gun stores—including requiring background checks on gun sales.

To ensure that the safety of our communities is prioritized over the profits of the gun lobby, Hillary will also:

• Repeal the gun industry’s unique immunity protection. Hillary believes the gun industry must be held accountable for violence perpetrated with their guns. Hillary will lead the charge to repeal the so-called “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act,” a dangerous law that prevents victims of gun violence from holding negligent manufacturers and dealers accountable for violence perpetrated with their guns.
  
  
• Revoke the licenses of bad-actor dealers. Hillary believes we must do more to crack down on gun stores that flood our communities with illegal guns. As president, she will provide funding to increase inspections and aggressively enforce current law by revoking the licenses of dealers that knowingly supply straw purchasers and traffickers.

Hillary will fight to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, other violent criminals, and the severely mentally ill:

• Support legislation to stop domestic abusers from buying and possessing guns. Although federal law generally prohibits domestic abusers from purchasing or possessing guns, this protection does not apply to people in dating relationships or convicted stalkers. Hillary will fight for legislation to prohibit all of these domestic abusers and stalkers from buying guns.
  
  
• Make straw purchasing a federal crime. When an individual with a clean record buys a gun with the intention of giving it to a violent felon—only so that felon can avoid a background check—it should be a crime. Hillary will fight to make so-called “straw purchasing” a federal crime.
  
  
• Close loopholes that let persons suffering from severe mental illness purchase and possess guns. Hillary will fight to improve existing law prohibiting persons suffering from severe mental illness from purchasing or possessing a gun. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives should finalize its rulemaking to close loopholes in our laws and clarify that people involuntarily committed to outpatient treatment, such as the Virginia Tech shooter, are prohibited from buying guns.
  
  
• Keep military-style weapons off our streets. Military-style assault weapons do not belong on our streets. They are a danger to law enforcement and to our communities. Hillary will work to keep assault weapons off our streets and supports reinstating the assault weapons ban.

Fuck her.

Please no.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So you believe in the concept of guilty until proven innocent, I thought that was antithetical to our justice system. But you also want to disadvantage the law abiding because the legal system fails, that makes a lot of sense, NOT!

not quite sure how keeping guns away from criminals and the mentally ill is finding them guilty until proven innocent.

It's isn't.

No one is advocating due process rights be abridged or abandoned – only those afforded their comprehensive right to due process are placed in the FBI's NICS database, only those who have been adjudicated a felon or mentally ill are designated a prohibited person, and those denied pursuant to a NICS background check have the right to appeal.

It is when you advocate that everyone taking a particular pill is denied their rights as she has, without due process.

What about people who get shot? Where's their due process?

They don't get due process and that is part of the reason it is illegal to shoot people. But you don't take away the rights of others without due process (because it too is illegal) just because someone somewhere might use that right against someone else.

You bet....otherwise why not outlaw cars.

 

[Flash]

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Jillian IS in fact advocating that doctors not Judges decide who is and is not allowed their second amendment rights. Her response to a day in court was, maybe ( MAYBE?) they could have a day in court AFTER their rights are stripped away and they want to pay for it.

How about the doctor in New York?

Had a patient that came to him for insomnia. The doctor reported it to the police.

Under the SAFE Act the police came to the veteran's home and confiscated his firearms.

You can't trust anybody with your Constitutional rights because they will abuse it under the guise of being "reasonable".

The Second is especially susceptible because none of the Libtards understand the concept of "shall not be infringed".

 

[Vigilante]

Funny how the Nazi Left ALWAYS comes back to this....

 

[Arianrhod]

You could ask the same if someone is beaten to death, doesn't alter the fact that the criminal is entitled to due process before their rights are restricted, same applies to the law abiding people whether they take a pill or not.

I'm just mindful of some of the NRA rhetoric following Sandy Hook.

 

[Flash]

You could ask the same if someone is beaten to death, doesn't alter the fact that the criminal is entitled to due process before their rights are restricted, same applies to the law abiding people whether they take a pill or not.

I'm just mindful of some of the NRA rhetoric following Sandy Hook.

The NRA is the largest gun safety organization in the world.

Their "rhetoric" consist of adhering to safe firearms practice and adhering to the Bill of Rights.

Not what the Libtards want to hear but that is what they are all about.

 

[Flash]

I have a question for you Libtards.

Kailifornia has the strictest state gun control laws in the country. Obama and the Moon Bat Party would be pleased as punch to incorporate Commie Kailfornia's state laws into Federal law, including the assault weapons ban.

So Moon Bats, how is gun control working out for you today?

 

[Rustic]

Buy more guns and ammo...

 

[ElmerMudd]

Buy more guns and ammo...

Why does the USA have more mass shootings than any other country per capita by a huge amount.

Because of absolutely disgusting human beings like Rustic. It is gun mentality shown by Rustic not just the easy access to guns.
It is a mentality that guns can solve all problems. It is a sick mind set. He/she may not be a mass killer but he/she provides an atmosphere that the mass killers thrive.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Skull Pilot said "If you don't want a gun don't buy one" yet that is so beside the point

first, who says there aren't guns in my home?

second, that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep guns away from people who shouldn't have them... the nutters, the criminals, the spouse abusers, pedophiles...


most normal people understand the need to restrict gun ownership in those cases.

I wish we can keep health insurance away from people WHO DONT WANT IT!

 

[Flash]

Buy more guns and ammo...

Why does the USA have more mass shootings than any other country per capita by a huge amount.

Because of absolutely disgusting human beings like Rustic. It is gun mentality shown by Rustic not just the easy access to guns.
It is a mentality that guns can solve all problems. It is a sick mind set. He/she may not be a mass killer but he/she provides an atmosphere that the mass killers thrive.

This shooting today was by Muslim terrorism just like in Paris a few weeks ago.

No amount of gun control would stop that.

Commie Kalifonia has the strictest gun control laws in the country. The same kind of laws the Moon Bats would like to enact on a national level but it didn't stop jackshit, did it? Just like the French strict gun control laws didn't stop the shooting in Paris.

 

[SwimExpert]

second, that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep guns away from people who shouldn't have them... the nutters, the criminals, the spouse abusers, pedophiles...

I will agree with this. Now, I ask how you plan to go about doing that.

 

[Rustic]

Buy more guns and ammo...

Why does the USA have more mass shootings than any other country per capita by a huge amount.

Because of absolutely disgusting human beings like Rustic. It is gun mentality shown by Rustic not just the easy access to guns.
It is a mentality that guns can solve all problems. It is a sick mind set. He/she may not be a mass killer but he/she provides an atmosphere that the mass killers thrive.

First of all do you need a hankey??
More laws never help anyone but career politicians, the sickest thing about this county is the government...

 

[Rustic]

You could ask the same if someone is beaten to death, doesn't alter the fact that the criminal is entitled to due process before their rights are restricted, same applies to the law abiding people whether they take a pill or not.

I'm just mindful of some of the NRA rhetoric following Sandy Hook.

The NRA is harmless