If you take the emotion out of being republican, you become liberal

[The Rabbi]

Except none of them are doing that any longer.
Jesus set us free from the old laws we only follow the ten comandments now.
Romans 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

So you say.

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished..." Matthew 5:17-18.

But I'm not interested in a theological discussion. The point is, both books have passages urging followers to violence, and yet we don't see Muslims lying in ambush any more than we see Christians putting people to the sword. It's not important to me whether or not you think they're different. Do you claim they're different enough that we need special laws cracking down on Muslims, and not on Christians? Or are you at least a little convinced we shouldn't have laws cracking down on any group for their political or religious beliefs?

WTF are you smoking? Muslims have been murdering people in the name of their religion for years now. You dont see Christians or Jews doing anything similar. Even Hindus do not engage in that kind of violence.

Let me get this straight. You support laws banning Muslim immigration to reduce terrorism. You don't support laws cracking down on Christians, though, because...there are no Christians committing violent acts in the name of their religion? That is seriously what you are going with?

Eric Robert Rudolph, who bombed the Olympics in 1996, went on to bomb an abortion clinic AND a lesbian bar in 1997. He has confirmed that the attacks were religiously motivated.

Scott Roeder, a rightwing and religious extremist, murdered Dr. George Tiller in 2009.

James Charles Kopp, part of a militant Roman Catholic anti-abortion group "The Lambs of Christ," shot and killed Dr. Barnett Slepian in his home in 1998. Within hours of his murder, a web-site called the Nuremberg Files containing a virtual hit list of doctors who provide abortions showed Dr. Slepian's name with a cross striking it out.

The Christian terrorist group the Army of God has caused or sanctioned many domestic terrorist attacks, including Rudolph and also Paul Jennings Hill (who murdered Dr John Britton and his bodyguard in 1994).

Notice that I am limiting myself to America in the last 20 or so years. Sorry dude. Every group has violent extremists. Christians are not some magical exception.

Stupid people only see similarities.
Is Eric Rudolph really a good example of Christians? Do Christians generally support what he did? Do they make a martyr out of him? Do they declare he is in Heaven with 72 virgins?
No, of course not.
They are not comparable at all.

Just a few hours ago you claimed "You dont see Christians or Jews doing anything similar." Of course, we completely do, so your position has changed to saying we shouldn't judge all Christianity by their ilk, and I completely agree with you.

The answers to your questions are no, no, no, and no. In fact, most Christians are just regular and decent people, aren't they? It would be CRAZY to discriminate against all Christians based on the actions of a radical few, especially when most Christians would tell you they despise what those nuts are doing...

We dont see Christians and Jews doing what Muslims commonly do. Your attempt to generalize from some very isolated incidents is a failure.

 

[Harry Dresden]

that being said Frankie....would they enforce it if an illegal is caught?.....the cops seem to have their hands tied in many parts of the Country when dealing with illegals......they do out here.....

You have to have an amnesty for the worthy ones at the same time (at least giving them papers ) ie recognize reality- or nothing will EVER change.

worthy ones?.....define that and who gets to decide if someone is worthy?...

It's in the law. Our representatives.

oh our reps get to decide....well that makes me feel better....the way these guys run the Country im sure they will pick the best of the best....

Sorry about our representative democracy, the definition of republic. The blame is with the voters, and the majority who don't. And of course Pubs who are responsible for our crappe education, media, SOCIETY. OK it's not that bad, and turning around SLOWLY under Dems.

our crap education?....Frankie California went from top 5 to bottom 10....and democrats had more to do with this than republicans.....out here anyway....

 

[Harry Dresden]

You do rules # 5 & 12 beautifully.
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense.
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Yeah, only Alinsky would think of that. Or Rove, or Fox Noise, or Rush etc etc, who are the people who actually use it in a giant propaganda machine. Of which you are a typical chump. Brought to you by greedy idiot billionaires. FOOL.

I was a young woman when his book came out and the left loved it, ate it up and have been incorporating it into their organizations and politics every since.
Done way before any of the above mentioned.
Alinsky's principles have been successfully applied over the last four decades by numerous government, labor, community, and congregation-based organizations
Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
I don't listen to any of them other that Fox, CNN. MSNBC and C-Span.

Fox is plenty- it's all the same crappe. I'm 63 and never heard of Alinsky until Rush made him a talking point, when he couldn't defend himself.

I do agree with you about them all being the same crap.
I was at the University of Denver 72 & 73 and it was a big thing on campus as well as the University of Colorado in Bolder ( a very liberal college then and now).

I actually meant Fox, Rush, Heritage etc etc etc. Iwas at Hobart '69-'74. We caught the only FBI agent provocateur in a peaceful riot. He was the SDS head of WNY and got 2 frosh to firebomb the ROTC office. Probably Kent State's too. By 72 protesters seemed to have cooled...google Tommy the Traveller. Alinsky?

Hobart?......

 

[francoHFW]

You have to have an amnesty for the worthy ones at the same time (at least giving them papers ) ie recognize reality- or nothing will EVER change.

worthy ones?.....define that and who gets to decide if someone is worthy?...

It's in the law. Our representatives.

oh our reps get to decide....well that makes me feel better....the way these guys run the Country im sure they will pick the best of the best....

Sorry about our representative democracy, the definition of republic. The blame is with the voters, and the majority who don't. And of course Pubs who are responsible for our crappe education, media, SOCIETY. OK it's not that bad, and turning around SLOWLY under Dems.

our crap education?....Frankie California went from top 5 to bottom 10....and democrats had more to do with this than republicans.....out here anyway....

Compare it to Germany, then check their free college and tech training.

 

[francoHFW]

Hobart College Statesmen. In Guiness for most sports championships in a row: 12 lacrosse ones.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Hobart College Statesmen. In Guiness for most sports championships in a row: 12 lacrosse ones.

is that in Geneva?....

 

[francoHFW]

Hobart College Statesmen. In Guiness for most sports championships in a row: 12 lacrosse ones.

is that in Geneva?....

Lake Trout Capital OF THE WORLD. Had too good a time. lol. Set records for sloth that can never be equaled. Same with Hotchkiss. TY, TYVM. Another record may be 8 institutions attended. So, how did you manage to have a building worth $800k?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Hobart College Statesmen. In Guiness for most sports championships in a row: 12 lacrosse ones.

is that in Geneva?....

Lake Trout Capital OF THE WORLD. Had too good a time. lol. Set records for sloth that can never be equaled. Same with Hotchkiss. TY, TYVM. Another record may be 8 institutions attended. So, how did you manage to have a building worth $800k?

bought it in 1982 for $82,000....a four-plex about 2 miles from Disneyland in the so called "Platinum Triangle" ........and during the collapse its value went down to $600,000 from 900,000....not bad uh?.

 

[Dad2three]

Not on all issues.
1. A two parent family is far better for children
2. Allowing tens of thousands of muslims that could be isis murders to enter our country is stupid.
3. We shouldn't have open borders as the illegals take our jobs. Another issue that is republican that makes sense.

Liberals also believe that a 2-parent family is better for children.

If Republicans believe that illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to take American jobs, why do they oppose charging and fining employers who hire illegal immigrants? This would be the quickest and cheapest way to reduce illegal immigration.

As for banning Muslim immigration, you do know that it's illegal to discriminate on the grounds of religion don't you? Considering the number of violent terrorist attacks by American right wingers, perhaps we should ban right wing organizations too.

That's an interesting thought. Why don't you post evidence of these "violent terrorist attacks by American right wingers" for discussion?

Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City

July 28, 1995
Antigovernment extremist Charles Ray Polk is arrested after trying to purchase a machine gun from an undercover police officer, and is later indicted by federal grand jury for plotting to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Texas. At the time of his arrest, Polk is trying to purchase plastic explosives to add to the already huge arsenal he's amassed. Polk is sentenced to almost 21 years in federal prison.

October 9, 1995
Saboteurs derail an Amtrak passenger train near Hyder, Ariz., killing one person and injuring about 70 others. Several antigovernment messages, signed by the "Sons of Gestapo," are left behind. The perpetrators remain at large.

November 9, 1995
Oklahoma Constitutional Militia leader Willie Ray Lampley, his wife Cecilia and another man, John Dare Baird, are arrested as they prepare explosives to bomb numerous targets, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, gay bars and abortion clinics. The three, along with another suspect arrested later, are sentenced to terms of up to 11 years in 1996. Cecilia Lampley is released in 2000, while Baird and Willie Lampley — who wrote letters from prison urging others to violence — are freed in 2004 and 2006, respectively.

December 18, 1995
An Internal Revenue Service (IRS) employee discovers a plastic drum packed with ammonium nitrate and fuel oil in a parking lot behind the IRS building in Reno, Nev. The device failed to explode a day earlier when a three-foot fuse went out prematurely. Ten days later, tax protester Joseph Martin Bailie is arrested. Bailie is eventually sentenced to 36 years in federal prison, with a release date of 2027. An accomplice, Ellis Edward Hurst, is released in 2004.

January 18, 1996
Peter Kevin Langan, the pseudonymous "Commander Pedro" who leads the underground Aryan Republican Army, is arrested after a shootout with the FBI in Ohio. Along with six other suspects arrested around the same time, Langan is charged in connection with a string of 22 bank robberies in seven Midwestern states between 1994 and 1996. After pleading guilty and agreeing to testify, co-conspirator Richard Guthrie commits suicide in his cell. Two others, Kevin McCarthy and Scott Stedeford, enter plea bargains and do testify against their co-conspirators. Eventually, Mark Thomas, a leading neo-Nazi in Pennsylvania, pleads guilty for his role in helping organize the robberies and agrees to testify against Langan and other gang members. Shawn Kenny, another suspect, becomes a federal informant. Langan is sentenced to a life term in one case, plus 55 years in another. McCarthy is released from prison in 2007, while Stedeford's release date is set in 2022. Thomas receives eight years and is released in early 2004.

April 11, 1996
Antigovernment activist and self-described "survivalist" Ray Hamblin is charged with illegal possession of explosives after authorities find 460 pounds of the high explosive Tovex, 746 pounds of ANFO blasting agent and 15 homemade hand grenades on his property in Hood River, Ore. Hamblin is sentenced to almost four years in federal prison, and is released in March 2000.

April 12, 1996
Apparently inspired by his reading of a neo-Nazi tract, Larry Wayne Shoemake kills one black man and wounds seven other people, including a reporter, during a racist shooting spree in a black neighborhood in Jackson, Miss. As police close in on the abandoned restaurant he is shooting from, Shoemake, who is white, sets the restaurant on fire and kills himself. A search of his home finds references to "Separation or Annihilation," an essay on race relations by neo-Nazi National Alliance leader William Pierce, along with an arsenal of weapons that includes 17 long guns, 20,000 rounds of ammunition, and countless military manuals.

April 26, 1996
Two leaders of the Militia-at-Large of the Republic of Georgia, Robert Edward Starr III and William James McCranie Jr., are charged with manufacturing shrapnel-packed pipe bombs for distribution to militia members. Later in the year, they are sentenced to terms of up to eight years. Another Militia-at-Large member, Troy Allen Kayser (alias Troy Spain), is arrested two weeks later and accused of training a team to assassinate politicians. Starr is released from prison in 2003, while McCranie gets out in 2001. Kayser, convicted of conspiracy, is released in early 2002.

July 1, 1996
Twelve members of an Arizona militia group called the Viper Team are arrested on federal conspiracy, weapons and explosive charges after allegedly surveilling and videotaping government buildings as potential targets. All 12 plead guilty or are convicted of various charges, drawing sentences of up to nine years in prison. The plot participants are all released in subsequent years. Gary Curds Baer, who drew the heaviest sentence after being found with 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate, a bomb component, is freed in May 2004.

July 27, 1996
A nail-packed bomb goes off at the Atlanta Olympics, which are seen by many extremists as part of a Satanic "New World Order," killing one person and injuring more than 100 others. Investigators will later conclude the attack is linked to 1997-1998 bombings of an Atlanta-area abortion clinic, an Atlanta gay bar and a Birmingham, Ala., abortion facility. Suspect Eric Robert Rudolph — a reclusive North Carolina man tied to the anti-Semitic Christian Identity theology — flees into the woods of his native state after he is identified in early 1998 as a suspect in the Birmingham attack, and is only captured five years later. Eventually, he pleads guilty to all of the attacks attributed to him in exchange for life without parole.

July 29, 1996
Washington State Militia leader John Pitner and seven others are arrested on weapons and explosives charges in connection with a plot to build pipe bombs to resist a feared invasion by the United Nations. Pitner and four others are convicted on weapons charges, while conspiracy charges against all eight end in a mistrial. Pitner is later retried on that charge, convicted and sentenced to four years in prison. He is released in 2001.

October 8, 1996
Three "Phineas Priests" — racist and anti-Semitic Christian Identity terrorists who feel they've been called by God to undertake violent attacks — are charged in connection with two bank robberies and bombings at the two banks, a Spokane newspaper and a Planned Parenthood office. Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merrell are eventually convicted and sentenced to life terms. Brian Ratigan, a fourth member of the group arrested separately, draws a 55-year term; he is scheduled for release in 2045.

October 11, 1996
Seven members of the Mountaineer Militia are arrested in a plot to blow up the FBI's national fingerprint records center, where 1,000 people work, in West Virginia. In 1998, leader Floyd "Ray" Looker is sentenced to 18 years in prison. He is released in June 2012. Two other defendants are sentenced on explosives charges and a third draws a year in prison for providing blueprints of the FBI facility to Looker, who then sold them to a government informant who was posing as a terrorist.

January 16, 1997
Two anti-personnel bombs — the second clearly designed to kill arriving law enforcement and rescue workers — explode outside an abortion clinic in Sandy Springs, Ga., a suburb of Atlanta. Seven people are injured. Letters signed by the "Army of God" claim responsibility for this attack and another, a month later, at an Atlanta gay bar. Authorities later learn that these attacks, the 1998 bombing of a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic and the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing, were all carried out by Eric Robert Rudolph, who is captured in 2003 after five years on the run. Rudolph avoids the death penalty by pleading guilty in exchange for a life sentence, but simultaneously releases a defiant statement defending his attacks.

January 22, 1997
Authorities raid the Martinton, Ill., home of former Marine Ricky Salyers, an alleged Ku Klux Klan member, discovering 35,000 rounds of heavy ammunition, armor piercing shells, smoke and tear gas grenades, live shells for grenade launchers, artillery shells and other military gear. Salyers was discharged earlier from the Marines, where he taught demolitions and sniping, after tossing a live grenade (with the pin still in) at state police officers serving him with a search warrant in 1995. Following the 1997 raid, Salyers, an alleged member of the underground Black Dawn group of extremists in the military, is sentenced to serve three years for weapons violations. He is released from prison in 2000.

March 26, 1997
Militia activist Brendon Blasz is arrested in Kalamazoo, Mich., and charged with making pipe bombs and other illegal explosives. Prosecutors say Blasz plotted to bomb the federal building in Battle Creek, the IRS building in Portage, a Kalamazoo television station and federal armories. But they recommend leniency on his explosives conviction after Blasz, a member of the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines, renounces his antigovernment beliefs and cooperates with them. He is sentenced to more than three years in federal prison and released in late 1999.

April 22, 1997
Three Ku Klux Klan members are arrested in a plot to blow up a natural gas refinery outside Fort Worth, Texas, after local Klan leader Robert Spence gets cold feet and goes to the FBI. The three, along with a fourth arrested later, expected to kill a huge number of people with the blast — authorities later say as many as 30,000 might have died — which was to serve, incredibly, as a diversion for a simultaneous armored car robbery. Among the victims would have been children at a nearby school. All four plead guilty to conspiracy charges and are sentenced to terms of up to 20 years. Spence enters the witness protection program. Carl Jay Waskom Jr. is released in 2004, while Shawn and Catherine Adams, a couple, are freed in 2006. Edward Taylor Jr. is released in early 2007.

April 23, 1997
Florida police arrest Todd Vanbiber, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance's Tampa unit and the shadowy League of the Silent Soldier, after he accidentally sets off pipe bombs he is building, blasting shrapnel into his own face. He is accused of plotting to use the bombs on the approach to Disney World to divert attention from a planned string of bank robberies. Vanbiber pleads guilty to weapons and explosives charges and is sentenced to more than six years in federal prison. He is released in 2002. Within two years, Vanbiber is posting messages on neo-Nazi Internet sites boasting that he has built over 300 bombs successfully and only made one error, and describing mass murderer Timothy McVeigh as a hero.

April 27, 1997
After a cache of explosives stored in a tree blows up near Yuba City, Calif., police arrest Montana Freemen supporter William Robert Goehler. Investigators looking into the blast arrest two Goehler associates, one of them a militia leader, after finding 500 pounds of explosives — enough to level three city blocks — in a motor home parked outside their residence. Six others are arrested on related charges. Goehler, with previous convictions for rape, burglary and assault, is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. He is later accused of stabbing his attorney with a shank and charged with attacking prison psychologists.

May 3, 1997
Antigovernment extremists set fire to the IRS office in Colorado Springs, Colo., causing $2.5 million in damage and injuring a firefighter. Federal agents later arrest five men in connection with the arson, which is conceived as a protest against the tax system. Ringleader James Cleaver, former national director of the antigovernment Sons of Liberty group, is accused of threatening a witness and eventually sentenced to 33 years in prison, with a release date of 2030. Accomplice Jack Dowell receives 30 years and is scheduled to be freed in 2027. Both are ordered to pay $2.2 million in restitution. Dowell's cousin is acquitted of all charges, while two other suspects, Ronald Sherman and Thomas Shafer, plead guilty to perjury charges in connection with the case.

July 4, 1997
Militiaman Bradley Playford Glover and another heavily armed antigovernment activist are arrested before dawn near Fort Hood, in central Texas, just hours before they planned to invade the Army base and slaughter foreign troops they mistakenly believed were housed there. In the next few days, five other people are arrested in several states for their alleged roles in the plot to invade a series of military bases where the group believes United Nations forces are massing for an assault on Americans. All seven are part of a splinter group from the Third Continental Congress, a kind of militia government-in-waiting. In the end, Glover is sentenced to two years on Kansas weapons charges, to be followed by a five-year federal term in connection with the Fort Hood plot. The others draw lesser terms. Glover is released in 2003, the last of the seven to get out.

December 12, 1997
A federal grand jury in Arkansas indicts three men on racketeering charges for plotting to overthrow the government and create a whites-only Aryan People's Republic, which they intend to grow through polygamy. Chevie Kehoe, Daniel Lee and Faron Lovelace are accused of crimes in six states, including murder, kidnapping, robbery and conspiracy. Kehoe and Lee will also face state charges of murdering an Arkansas family, including an 8-year-old girl, in 1996. Kehoe ultimately receives a life sentence on that charge, while Lee is sentenced to death. Lovelace is sentenced to death for the murder of a suspected informant, but because of court rulings is later resentenced to life without parole. Kehoe's brother, Cheyne, is convicted of attempted murder during a 1997 Ohio shootout with police and sentenced to 24 years in prison, despite his helping authorities track down his fugitive brother in Utah after the shootout. Cheyne went to the authorities after Chevie began talking about murdering their parents and showing sexual interest in Cheyne's wife.

January 29, 1998
An off-duty police officer is killed and a nurse terribly maimed when a nail-packed, remote-control bomb explodes outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion facility, the New Woman All Women clinic. Letters to media outlets and officials claim responsibility in the name of the "Army of God," the same entity that took credit for the bombings of a clinic and a gay bar in the Atlanta area. The attack also will be linked to the fatal 1996 bombing of the Atlanta Olympics. Eric Robert Rudolph, a loner from North Carolina, is first identified as a suspect when witnesses spot his pickup truck fleeing the Birmingham bombing. But he is not caught until 2003. He ultimately pleads guilty to all four attacks in exchange for a life sentence.



MANY, MANY, MANY MORE HERE:

Terror From the Right Plots Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City Southern Poverty Law Center

I think I see the source of your problem. You're citing the Southern Poverty Law Center, a left-wing organization with little credibility. The groups, and in many cases, individuals, you cite are in actuality nutcase wackjobs and are not part of the American right wing. I mean, come on, neo-Nazis? They're a bunch of paranoid, violent people who have no place in the right wing. At least, I've not seen them at any of the meetings.

AD HOMS? LEFT WING? lol


THE GUYS AT THE 'PATRIOTS' HOUSE IN NEVADA (YOU KNOW KNOWN AS THE SQUATTER?


June 8, 2014 Jerad Miller, 31, and his wife, Amanda, 22, enter a pizza restaurant in Las Vegas, Nev., where two police officers are eating lunch. Jerad Miller fatally shoots officer Igor Soldo, 31. As his partner, Alyn Beck, 41, tries to react, Miller shoots him in the throat, then both Millers shoot Beck several times. The pair leave a swastika and a Gadsden flag on Beck’s body. The yellow flag, a symbol used by the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, features a coiled snake with the words “Don’t Tread On Me.” On Soldo’s body, they place a note: “This is the start of the revolution.”



November 28, 2014 Armed with a .22-caliber rifle and an assault rifle, Larry Steve McQuilliams, 49, fires more than 100 rounds at a police station, a Mexican consulate, a federal courthouse and a bank in downtown Austin, Texas,

...The Austin police chief describes McQuilliams, a felon, as a “homegrown American terrorist trying to terrorize our people” and says a note found in the book “discusses his rank as a priest in his fight against anti-God people.” Statements made in police interviews also tie him to ultra-conservative groups with anti-Semitic, anti-LGBT and racist views.



March 27, 2014
“American Insurgent Movement,” on which he posted antigovernment screeds, called for violence against public officials, and ranted about Muslims and LGBT people."

June 18, 2013
Glendon Scott Crawford, 49, and Eric J. Feight, 54, are arrested in upstate New York after a yearlong investigation and charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists for use of a weapon of mass destruction. Crawford is a member of the United Northern and Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan



September 4, 2012
... Lacy is fatally shot by another trooper, and Youngstrom dies the next day. An investigation into Lacy’s background reveals a large amount of antigovernment “sovereign citizens” literature on several computers at his home.





August 16, 2012
Seven people with ties to the antigovernment “sovereign citizens” movement allegedly ambush and murder Louisiana sheriff’s deputies Brandon Nielsen, 34, and Jeremy Triche, 27


June 17, 2012
Anson Chi, 33, is seriously injured when he detonates a bomb in an effort to destroy an Atmos Energy natural gas pipeline in Plano, Texas. Chi is an avid tax protester who has posted numerous videos, statements and rants on the Internet about the alleged evils of the Federal Reserve, the IRS, President Obama and the government.


April 17, 2012
Joseph Benjamin Thomas and Samuel James Johnson of Mendota Heights, Minn., are indicted on federal weapons and drug charges after a probe of their alleged plans to create an “Aryan Liberation Movement” and attack minorities, leftists and government officials


Terror From the Right Plots Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City Southern Poverty Law Center


HONESTY NEVER RANKS HIGH WITH CONSERVATIVES, EVER!

 

[Dad2three]

If Republicans believe that illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to take American jobs, why do they oppose charging and fining employers who hire illegal immigrants? This would be the quickest and cheapest way to reduce illegal immigration.

Great question and one I have asked many times on here. And not one single fucking right wing asshole on here had EVER tried to address this very good question. Wonder why that is.

You two assholes are full of shit. Maybe people get tired of talking to you? Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum.

"Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum"

An estimated 1.5 million undocumented immigrants in Texas find plentiful work in the state’s booming economy, from manufacturing and retail to construction, landscaping, agriculture and janitorial services. They are often paid less and have fewer workplace protections than their authorized counterparts.

While several other states require private employers to confirm a job applicant's legal status using the federal E-Verify program, that idea has been a non-starter in pro-business Texas. The business lobby staunchly opposes the idea, and bills requiring it have never gotten off first base in past legislative sessions.

GOP Leaders Divided on Immigration Crackdown in Texas The Texas Tribune

Require all Florida employers to use E-Verify system

"Rick will require all Florida employers to use the free E-Verify system to ensure that their workers are legal."

Now, with the regard to E-Verify, as you know we did it for people who do business with state government, but we've got to have a national E-Verify program, because I don't want to put Florida businesses at a competitive disadvantage.”


It isn't clear whether Scott intends to extend his efforts to apply to "all Florida employers" as he promised or if he has backed away from that promise due to opposition by the business lobby.

Scott-O-Meter Require all Florida employers to use E-Verify system PolitiFact Florida



The e-Verify measure, in particular, is emblematic of the divergent interests Republican state legislators face in a swing state like North Carolina. The measure enjoyed broad support from the business and agriculture community, which has thrown its support behind Republicans who won control of the state legislature in 2010 after years of backing Democrats who seemed to enjoy a perpetual majority
North Carolina GOP split on immigration - The Washington Post



Jun 19, 2006


Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

The Bush administration, which is vowing to crack down on U.S. companies that hire illegal workers, virtually abandoned such employer sanctions before it began pushing to overhaul U.S. immigration laws last year, government statistics show.

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department

...In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.

Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

Say it is not so a liberal advocating for a I.D. ? God damn liberals are fucking morons when they debate

Got it, you LOVE to project. The reason for the post (because it escaped your tiny brain):


"Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum"

ONCE MORE:

...In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.
Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized
'

 

[Dad2three]

Hey daddy poo poo what about all these so called poor Americans who's can't afford an I.D. How they going to get a job ?

Why does someone need ID? Oh you mean the seniors and people of color the GOP has a war on voting with? You know, attempting to restrict LEGAL VOTERS?

Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority and various other groups tells his flock that he doesn't want people to vote. He complains that fellow Christians have "Goo-Goo Syndrome":


"Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

 

[Dad2three]

An estimated 1.5 million undocumented immigrants in Texas find plentiful work in the state’s booming economy, from manufacturing and retail to construction, landscaping, agriculture and janitorial services. They are often paid less and have fewer workplace protections than their authorized counterparts.

While several other states require private employers to confirm a job applicant's legal status using the federal E-Verify program, that idea has been a non-starter in pro-business Texas. The business lobby staunchly opposes the idea, and bills requiring it have never gotten off first base in past legislative sessions.

It says they opposed the e-verify program, it doesn't prove they want illegal immigration. Not all Republicans are conservative either. Conservatives are against illegal immigration, libs not so much. You need to come up to speed.

[/QUOTE]


SO YOUR POSIT SAYING THIS WAS JUST MORE RIGHT WING BULLSHIT:

"Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum""

LOL


If you take the emotion out of being republican you become liberal Page 12 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

SURE THEY ARE BUBBA, SURE

 

[Iceweasel]

If Republicans believe that illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to take American jobs, why do they oppose charging and fining employers who hire illegal immigrants? This would be the quickest and cheapest way to reduce illegal immigration.

Great question and one I have asked many times on here. And not one single fucking right wing asshole on here had EVER tried to address this very good question. Wonder why that is.

You two assholes are full of shit. Maybe people get tired of talking to you? Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum.

"Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum"

An estimated 1.5 million undocumented immigrants in Texas find plentiful work in the state’s booming economy, from manufacturing and retail to construction, landscaping, agriculture and janitorial services. They are often paid less and have fewer workplace protections than their authorized counterparts.

While several other states require private employers to confirm a job applicant's legal status using the federal E-Verify program, that idea has been a non-starter in pro-business Texas. The business lobby staunchly opposes the idea, and bills requiring it have never gotten off first base in past legislative sessions.

GOP Leaders Divided on Immigration Crackdown in Texas The Texas Tribune

Require all Florida employers to use E-Verify system

"Rick will require all Florida employers to use the free E-Verify system to ensure that their workers are legal."

Now, with the regard to E-Verify, as you know we did it for people who do business with state government, but we've got to have a national E-Verify program, because I don't want to put Florida businesses at a competitive disadvantage.”


It isn't clear whether Scott intends to extend his efforts to apply to "all Florida employers" as he promised or if he has backed away from that promise due to opposition by the business lobby.

Scott-O-Meter Require all Florida employers to use E-Verify system PolitiFact Florida



The e-Verify measure, in particular, is emblematic of the divergent interests Republican state legislators face in a swing state like North Carolina. The measure enjoyed broad support from the business and agriculture community, which has thrown its support behind Republicans who won control of the state legislature in 2010 after years of backing Democrats who seemed to enjoy a perpetual majority
North Carolina GOP split on immigration - The Washington Post



Jun 19, 2006


Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

The Bush administration, which is vowing to crack down on U.S. companies that hire illegal workers, virtually abandoned such employer sanctions before it began pushing to overhaul U.S. immigration laws last year, government statistics show.

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department

...In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.

Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

Say it is not so a liberal advocating for a I.D. ? God damn liberals are fucking morons when they debate

Got it, you LOVE to project. The reason for the post (because it escaped your tiny brain):


"Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum"

ONCE MORE:

...In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.
Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized
'

Read your own links you half wit.

"The administration says it is learning from past failures, and switching to a strategy of building more criminal cases, instead of relying on ineffective administrative fines or pinprick raids against individual businesses by outnumbered agents.

It is seeking more resources to sanction employers, toughen penalties and finally set up a reliable system -- first proposed in 1981 -- to verify the eligibility of workers. That would allow the government to hold employers accountable for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants."

 

[Iceweasel]

If you take the emotion out of being republican you become liberal Page 12 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

SURE THEY ARE BUBBA, SURE

You poor bastard. You loved to hate Bush so much you can't let it go.

 

[Dad2three]

What makes a person republican, is emotional and philosophical - not factual information.

Take Fox News. People who watch it watch it because it does very little to challenge their rightwing anti-government, pre-conceived notions. It doesn't challenge people to think on a critical level. That's what republicans prefer to hear: just ranting that reaffirms what they already believe. Without saying many objective facts, someone on Fox can simply rant about the "evils of Obama" and "big government" and Fox viewers will eat it up. Their simple minds tune in for the emotionally charged rants of the likes of Sean Hannity because they don't risk hearing facts that may challenge their beliefs. That's too much thinking and frankly they aren't mature enough to swallow their pride and admit they were wrong about certain political beliefs.

Republicans like to make people believe they understand issues like poverty, the role of government, and economics but in truth they willfully ignore the actual objective facts about these issues because that's easier. They are simple thinkers.

If they did choose to listen to facts and think about them critically, they realize they were wrong. They have no choice but to embrace liberal beliefs which, at least most of the time, is based on factual information.

Useless rant time.
Billy, why are you always ass-backwards from the truth?

The primary difference between Republican voters and Democrat voters has long been known to be Democrats vote with their hearts and Republicans vote with their brains and common-sense. How else can you explain continued support for a compulsive liar like Obama. Why do Democrats always appeal to the emotions and bigotry of their base? Using slogans like "Hands Up....Don't Shoot" and "I Can't Breathe". And claiming that the opposition is hateful, homophobic, bigots. It can't be because you're ideas are better. It must be because you can't convince anyone otherwise. Your ideas are terrible so you set out to appeal to the emotions of your base.

Hilarious, hater dupe. Anyone who earns less than $250k and votes GOP is brainwashed or bigoted. But always ignorant, shortsighted, and greedy. Ugly Americans.

You answerd my question you are dirt poor, i am content money wise and obama is screwing us witb obozo care, you vote for slavery, I vote for freedom

Ah so you're the guy responsible for teaching people to be stupid. Got it!


The GOP has no agenda other than to attack everything Obama. I am amazed that their white male constituency can't see that they are being manipulated

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it." Thomas Jefferson

 

[Iceweasel]

The GOP has no agenda other than to attack everything Obama.

Liar.

 

[Truman123]

What makes a person republican, is emotional and philosophical - not factual information.

Take Fox News. People who watch it watch it because it does very little to challenge their rightwing anti-government, pre-conceived notions. It doesn't challenge people to think on a critical level. That's what republicans prefer to hear: just ranting that reaffirms what they already believe. Without saying many objective facts, someone on Fox can simply rant about the "evils of Obama" and "big government" and Fox viewers will eat it up. Their simple minds tune in for the emotionally charged rants of the likes of Sean Hannity because they don't risk hearing facts that may challenge their beliefs. That's too much thinking and frankly they aren't mature enough to swallow their pride and admit they were wrong about certain political beliefs.

Republicans like to make people believe they understand issues like poverty, the role of government, and economics but in truth they willfully ignore the actual objective facts about these issues because that's easier. They are simple thinkers.

If they did choose to listen to facts and think about them critically, they realize they were wrong. They have no choice but to embrace liberal beliefs which, at least most of the time, is based on factual information.

Serious question: What difference does it make whether one is Republican, Democrat, Independent, Liberal, Conservative, Right Wing, or Left Wing? It is a very serious question, so please be honest and truthful with your answer. Thanks in advance.

The Righteous Mind Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion Jonathan Haidt 9780307455772 Amazon.com Books

 

[Dad2three]

Not on all issues.
1. A two parent family is far better for children
2. Allowing tens of thousands of muslims that could be isis murders to enter our country is stupid.
3. We shouldn't have open borders as the illegals take our jobs. Another issue that is republican that makes sense.

Liberals also believe that a 2-parent family is better for children.

If Republicans believe that illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to take American jobs, why do they oppose charging and fining employers who hire illegal immigrants? This would be the quickest and cheapest way to reduce illegal immigration.

As for banning Muslim immigration, you do know that it's illegal to discriminate on the grounds of religion don't you? Considering the number of violent terrorist attacks by American right wingers, perhaps we should ban right wing organizations too.

That's an interesting thought. Why don't you post evidence of these "violent terrorist attacks by American right wingers" for discussion?

But they have all kinds of examples from hundreds of years ago or may 50 years ago. That's why the left keeps making movies like Selma, and 12 Years A Slave. They need to be reminded that rightwingers were evil bastards. But then again, those evil bastards were Democrats.

"They need to be reminded that rightwingers were evil bastards. But then again, those evil bastards were Democrats."

Yes, conservatives, mainly from the red, land of Dixie, states.. lol

You know, the guys voting GOP today?

 

[Dad2three]

The truth is, these people that don't believe in any kind of government are leftist anarchists. Conservative rightwingers believe in government but just smaller government and lower taxes. Even Timothy McVeigh turned out not to be a rightwinger. He was too anti-governement to be one.

"Even Timothy McVeigh turned out not to be a rightwinger. He was too anti-governement to be one."


Grove Norquist stating "I want to make government so small, I could drown it in a bathtub."

Grover Norquist is president of Americans for Tax Reform (ATR), a taxpayer advocacy group he founded in 1985 at President Reagan’s request. ATR works to limit the size and cost of government and opposes higher taxes at the federal, state, and local levels and supports tax reform that moves towards taxing consumed income one time at one rate.

ATR organizes the Taxpayer Protection Pledge, which asks all candidates for federal and state office to commit themselves in writing to the American people to oppose all tax increases. In the 113th Congress, 219 House members and 41 Senators have taken the pledge. On the state level, 14 governors and 1,035 state legislators have taken the pledge.


WANT TO GUESS HOW MANY ARE RIGHT WING, CONSERVATIVE OR GOP??? LOL



About Grover Americans for Tax Reform

 

[Dad2three]

Great question and one I have asked many times on here. And not one single fucking right wing asshole on here had EVER tried to address this very good question. Wonder why that is.

You two assholes are full of shit. Maybe people get tired of talking to you? Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum.

"Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum"

An estimated 1.5 million undocumented immigrants in Texas find plentiful work in the state’s booming economy, from manufacturing and retail to construction, landscaping, agriculture and janitorial services. They are often paid less and have fewer workplace protections than their authorized counterparts.

While several other states require private employers to confirm a job applicant's legal status using the federal E-Verify program, that idea has been a non-starter in pro-business Texas. The business lobby staunchly opposes the idea, and bills requiring it have never gotten off first base in past legislative sessions.

GOP Leaders Divided on Immigration Crackdown in Texas The Texas Tribune

Require all Florida employers to use E-Verify system

"Rick will require all Florida employers to use the free E-Verify system to ensure that their workers are legal."

Now, with the regard to E-Verify, as you know we did it for people who do business with state government, but we've got to have a national E-Verify program, because I don't want to put Florida businesses at a competitive disadvantage.”


It isn't clear whether Scott intends to extend his efforts to apply to "all Florida employers" as he promised or if he has backed away from that promise due to opposition by the business lobby.

Scott-O-Meter Require all Florida employers to use E-Verify system PolitiFact Florida



The e-Verify measure, in particular, is emblematic of the divergent interests Republican state legislators face in a swing state like North Carolina. The measure enjoyed broad support from the business and agriculture community, which has thrown its support behind Republicans who won control of the state legislature in 2010 after years of backing Democrats who seemed to enjoy a perpetual majority
North Carolina GOP split on immigration - The Washington Post



Jun 19, 2006


Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

The Bush administration, which is vowing to crack down on U.S. companies that hire illegal workers, virtually abandoned such employer sanctions before it began pushing to overhaul U.S. immigration laws last year, government statistics show.

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department

...In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.

Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

Say it is not so a liberal advocating for a I.D. ? God damn liberals are fucking morons when they debate

Got it, you LOVE to project. The reason for the post (because it escaped your tiny brain):


"Every Republican I've heard that spoke on it wants companies fined at a minimum"

ONCE MORE:

...In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.
Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized
'

Read your own links you half wit.

"The administration says it is learning from past failures, and switching to a strategy of building more criminal cases, instead of relying on ineffective administrative fines or pinprick raids against individual businesses by outnumbered agents.

It is seeking more resources to sanction employers, toughen penalties and finally set up a reliable system -- first proposed in 1981 -- to verify the eligibility of workers. That would allow the government to hold employers accountable for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants."

'
So although Dubya's going after Biz's hiring illegals, from near 500 to ONLY 3 (in a 4 year period), we saw that 'illegal immigration' ALSO dropped under Dubya's 'new idea' right? lol


HOW'D THAT WORK OUT FOR DUBYA WITH A GOP CONGRESS FOR 6 YEARS AGAIN???