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[TemplarKormac]

Thanks for your reply cocksucker.



You think a couple of bombs someone made with the shit in their kitchen is justification for an illegal war where hundreds of thousands of people died for no reason? And if you're curious about the chemical weapons Saddam used, why don't you look at the receipts Reagan gave him?

Nobody can say the left isn't guilty of selective judgement. They haven't stopped whining about the conflict in Iraq when 42% of democrats authorized the President to use combat Troops and then they turned around and played a little game of treason while they undermined the conflict. What about Truman's executive order that cost the lives of anywhere from 38,000 to 50,000 American Troops and LBJ's fake Tonkin Gulf crisis? The left managed to blame Vietnam on Dick Nixon and they forgot about the "Forgotten War.

Based on the lies at the time and war fever it makes sense but even using your logic, a majority of Democrats still didn't sign off on the abomination. So... what's your point? And I love when conservatives try to start citing history to justify the horrors they've perpetuated on the world in the last two decades. So you're saying because at one time people who were called Democrats in their time, that's justification for the worst Presidential administration the birth of virtually every modern political problem? That's pretty fucking stupid. And all of this is a deflection off the main point anyway, so you still lose.

Thanks for your reply cocksucker.



You think a couple of bombs someone made with the shit in their kitchen is justification for an illegal war where hundreds of thousands of people died for no reason? And if you're curious about the chemical weapons Saddam used, why don't you look at the receipts Reagan gave him?

Did I say anything about justification? Get that metal rod out of your ass before you speak to me again. But there's logic. This that or the other thing is classified as WMD, heck my BO is WMD (but seriously) if those pressure cookers are WMD then what are the weapons Saddam used?

Where's the justification? And don't sit there and talk to me about what Reagan did when you have Obama giving the Egyptians tanks and fighter jets.

Hypocrite much?

This thread is about trying to justify the abortion that was the W administration because two guys made some bombs with the shit from their kitchen Can you not read. And I know you're trying to deflect because you know you're wrong so I'll just say. Egypt is a legit country who's been our ally since the glory days of the British Empire. Reagan gave weapons of mass destruction to goddamn narco terrorists and a lunatic dictator who used them to liquidate hundreds of thousands of people.

Egypt is run by none other than Mohamed Morsi, who is associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, who themselves wish to eradicate the nation of Israel. Their allied state with us is on shaky ground at the moment (by the way nice deflection). I'm sorry, I know what Reagan did was wrong, but you can't sit there and say Obama hasn't done the same thing. And then you can tell me how Obama arming Syrian Rebels and Jihadis with AS-50 Sniper Rifles is acceptable to you. (See video below)

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Obama has also used our very own drones to kill (accidentally) innocent children in Pakistan.. so where is your high ground, BB? There is none for you, only your glass house and pile of stones.

 

[rightwinger]

America gave up 5000 lives to find some pressure cookers with nails in it?

And every last one of them volunteered to be there.

What a despicable thing to say

 

[deltex1]

Salon.com

 

[AmericanFirst]

i take that as a yes.

well sir.

You took it the wrong way.

Absolutely not.

bush was right, idiot libtards are as always, wrong!!!

 

[AmericanFirst]

America gave up 5000 lives to find some pressure cookers with nails in it?

And every last one of them volunteered to be there.

What a despicable thing to say

You missed the point again asshole!!!

 

[deltex1]

Will the Pressure Cooker-as-WMD Case Hold Up Against the Boston Bomber?

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The Department of Justice filed its complaint against 19-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev on Monday, charging the U.S. citizen in his hospital bed on two charges: "use of a weapon of mass destruction" and "malicious destruction of property resulting in death." He'll be tried in a U.S. federal court — not as an enemy combatant, as some lawmakers had pushed for — and faces the possibility of life in prison. The WMD charge could result in the death penalty, raising a strange question in a case sure to be full of precedents in how America prosecutes terrorism: Do bombs made in kitchen pressure cookers, like the ones the Tsarnaev brothers allegedly planted at the Boston Marathon and then hurled at the authorities in a shootout, now count as weapons of mass destruction?

There's no debating that two explosive devices killed three people and injured over 180 more a week ago in Boston's Copley Square. But Americans are used to hearing about WMDs in the case of Iraq (falsely), or Syria (reportedly), or Iran and North Korea (depending on which hubristic world leader you believe). But where do pressure cookers fall in the evolving legal definition of WMDs these days? And will that evolution hinder the prosecution in proving that the bombs in Boston fit into the legal justification for the charges? We investigated.

First off, to be sure, everyone knows what a pressure cooker is — even Gov. Deval Patrick, to whom Wolf Blitzer showed off one of the household devices shortly after CNN's "arrest" debacle last Wednesday:


Now, CNN aside, here's what we actually know, as detailed in the Justice Department complaint: The brothers are charged with making IED devices out of the cookers:

A preliminary examination of the remains of the explosive devices that were used at the Boston Marathon revealed that they were low-grade explosives that were housed in pressure cookers. Both pressure cookers were of the same brand. The pressure cookers also contained metallic BBs and nails. Many of the BBs were contained within an adhesive material. The explosives contained green-colored hobby fuse.
The pressure cooker brand has yet to be revealed, but that charge seems to align with and official FBI update last week that "fragments of nails that could have been contained in a pressure cooker" and carried in black backpacks. There was also, according to photos of the devices released by the agency, a homemade battery from Tenergy, which was aiding in the investigation. Those same FBI photos appear to show the remains of a pressure cooker at the scene:



So, it now appears that prosecutors for the U.S. will argue that the pressure cookers qualify as material modified to expel a projectile — Boston doctors treating victims reported pulling BBs and nails out of victims — and therefore align with the current definition of a WMD.

Indeed, the F.B.I.'s official definition of a weapon of mass destruction covers chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. Except the Tsarnaev brothers didn't use any of those things. And as Wired's Spencer Ackerman noted last month, that's been a point of some contention:

In fact, as a fascinating paper by W. Seth Carus at the National Defense University shows (.pdf), the Defense Department’s definition of the term has long been problematic. For years, its official definition included “high explosives,” to make it consistent with the federal statute that Harroun ran up against. But “most military weaponry relies on high explosive charges,” Carus writes, “meaning that even the mortars and grenades used by infantrymen might qualify as WMD.” The doctrinal answer was ultimately to limit the definition to “chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons capable of a high order of destruction or causing mass casualties.”
But clearly those weapons are not created equal.
That's where the "destructive device" clause comes in. The FBI further classifies a WMD as "a destructive device as determined by section 921" — and that section is wide ranging:

(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.
Section A includes bombs, grenades, rocket propellers, missiles, and mines. Section B is pretty vague, too:

(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diamete...
The always reliable explainers over at Cornell's law blog put that in layman's terms (we've italicized the relevant parts):

(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas— (i) bomb, (ii) grenade, (iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, (iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (v) mine, or (vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and
(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.
The types of devices the Tsarnaev brothers allegedly used to bomb the marathon would likely qualify under this definition. In the shootout in Watertown, Massachusetts, "the Tsarnaev brothers hurled something at the officers — apparently a pressure cooker bomb — and there was a tremendous explosion," the local police chief told The Boston Globe. Whether that counts under these charges remains to be seen, but the single WMD charge may be enough for prosecutors to seek capital punishment — a decision that would come after the initial trial but that could see Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's life come to an end in the same death chamber as Timothy McVeigh.

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[tjvh]

America gave up 5000 lives to find some pressure cookers with nails in it?

Why don't you look up Al Samoud 2 missile on the internet, read it's max range, then reread UNSCOM 1441's definition of WMD's (a missile with a range greater than 150km IS in there). There... I just proved that all of you WMD deniers are completely NUTS.

Here... Let me help you: Al-Samoud - Iraq Special Weapons

 

[deltex1]

It's hard to pull the leg of a LIBTARD...they're all asshole.

 

[Darkwind]

Your premise is stupid and I have a strong suspicion that you're stupid.

Thank you, Forrest Gump.

Thanks for your reply cocksucker.

Your premise is stupid and I have a strong suspicion that you're stupid.

Actually not. It was as sarcastic question.

If we classify pressure cookers as WMD, then what were the chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein used on the Kurds?

Something to think about.

You think a couple of bombs someone made with the shit in their kitchen is justification for an illegal war where hundreds of thousands of people died for no reason? And if you're curious about the chemical weapons Saddam used, why don't you look at the receipts Reagan gave him?

Hundreds of thousands?

You need to seek help. Also, the war was NOT illegal. It has already been adjudicated as legitimate.

We no longer have a need to be suspicious of your stupidity. You wear it on you sleeve like a badge.....

Now, go ahead and call Me a cocksucker so you can feel better, then I'll put you on ignore. You lower the IQ rating of anywhere you go.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A pressure cooker filled with some amount of explosives, some nails,bee bees and assorted shrapnel is now defined as a weapon of mass destruction, can we now finally agree that Saddam had WMD...and Bush made the right call??

You're an asshole. 4000+ Americans die needlessly and you make jokes about it.

 

[Darkwind]

It's hard to pull the leg of a LIBTARD...they're all asshole.

The movie, "The Hangover" says it perfectly about some of the left here.

They are literally, too stupid to insult.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Thanks for your reply cocksucker.



You think a couple of bombs someone made with the shit in their kitchen is justification for an illegal war where hundreds of thousands of people died for no reason? And if you're curious about the chemical weapons Saddam used, why don't you look at the receipts Reagan gave him?

Nobody can say the left isn't guilty of selective judgement. They haven't stopped whining about the conflict in Iraq when 42% of democrats authorized the President to use combat Troops and then they turned around and played a little game of treason while they undermined the conflict. What about Truman's executive order that cost the lives of anywhere from 38,000 to 50,000 American Troops and LBJ's fake Tonkin Gulf crisis? The left managed to blame Vietnam on Dick Nixon and they forgot about the "Forgotten War.

Based on the lies at the time and war fever it makes sense but even using your logic, a majority of Democrats still didn't sign off on the abomination. So... what's your point? And I love when conservatives try to start citing history to justify the horrors they've perpetuated on the world in the last two decades. So you're saying because at one time people who were called Democrats in their time, that's justification for the worst Presidential administration the birth of virtually every modern political problem? That's pretty fucking stupid. And all of this is a deflection off the main point anyway, so you still lose.

Thanks for your reply cocksucker.



You think a couple of bombs someone made with the shit in their kitchen is justification for an illegal war where hundreds of thousands of people died for no reason? And if you're curious about the chemical weapons Saddam used, why don't you look at the receipts Reagan gave him?

Did I say anything about justification? Get that metal rod out of your ass before you speak to me again. But there's logic. This that or the other thing is classified as WMD, heck my BO is WMD (but seriously) if those pressure cookers are WMD then what are the weapons Saddam used?

Where's the justification? And don't sit there and talk to me about what Reagan did when you have Obama giving the Egyptians tanks and fighter jets.

Hypocrite much?

This thread is about trying to justify the abortion that was the W administration because two guys made some bombs with the shit from their kitchen Can you not read. And I know you're trying to deflect because you know you're wrong so I'll just say. Egypt is a legit country who's been our ally since the glory days of the British Empire. Reagan gave weapons of mass destruction to goddamn narco terrorists and a lunatic dictator who used them to liquidate hundreds of thousands of people.

We are in the worst administration in the history of the USA asshole. W was smart compared to the dickwad in office now.

 

[Sunshine]

America gave up 5000 lives to find some pressure cookers with nails in it?

And every last one of them volunteered to be there.

What a despicable thing to say

Well what should one say, that they were all drafted? Like you seem to believe. That 60s rhetoric just isn't playing well with an all volunteer military. If they didn't want to be in harms way they didn't have to enlist.

 

[rightwinger]

And every last one of them volunteered to be there.

What a despicable thing to say

Well what should one say, that they were all drafted? Like you seem to believe. That 60s rhetoric just isn't playing well with an all volunteer military. If they didn't want to be in harms way they didn't have to enlist.

So that justifies sending them to be killed on a whim?

 

[Sunshine]

And every last one of them volunteered to be there.

What a despicable thing to say

You missed the point again asshole!!!

Not really. He is just trying to throw out that 60s rhetoric that we all heard so much of and it just won't stick to the wall these days. I have worked with veterans of our volunteer military and I have worked with the Vietnam veterans who were drafted. Even though they come back maimed physically and mentally about the same as the Vietnam vets, the volunteers just don't have the same bitterness toward the government. Many seek and are given multiple deployments. They come home and use their GI bill to go to school and better their lives. They know when they sign on the line they can be killed or maimed. And no one made them sign. This government doesn't really want another draft. And right now, it doesn't need one. There are still a considerable number of benefits of enlisting.

And the bullshit just doesn't work on me. I'm a nurse. I am exposed to life threatening bacteria and mental illnesses on a daily basis. I have even been injured by a patient. Fortunately, I've never had a needle stick or anything that would transmit hepatitis or HIV, but in my business that is all a possibility. Have worked with many patients who have active TB and the new strains are antibiotic resistant. So his bullshit just doesn't stick.

 

[Sallow]

A pressure cooker filled with some amount of explosives, some nails,bee bees and assorted shrapnel is now defined as a weapon of mass destruction, can we now finally agree that Saddam had WMD...and Bush made the right call??

Your premise is stupid and I have a strong suspicion that you're stupid.

Actually not. It was as sarcastic question.

If we classify pressure cookers as WMD, then what were the chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein used on the Kurds?

Something to think about.

A. There are different classification of WMD's depending on which agency you talk too.
B. Iraq never attacked the United States.
C. The United States supplied and encouraged the use of Chemical Weapons by Iraq.

 

[HUGGY]

I take that as a yes.

You can call it a "Yes" if you are a pussy living in Boston. Apparently they are willing to give up thier city to a police take over even after the preasure cooker bombs already went off.

 

[editec]

Cookware of mass destruction?

I think my mother had a set of those.

That women killed so many prime pieces of meat that I suspect she learned cooking at the Auschwitz school of Culinary Arts.