SC Patriot
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There is no logical reason not to have one. Unless, of course, you think black people are too stupid to get one....and too stupid to bring a bottle of water with them on a hot November day....and just plain too stupid.wheres the hypocrisy in having an id when you do really important stuff like voting or buying a gun??Oh really? What fallacy is that then? Feel free to point it out, I try to be aware of them so give it your best shot. Yours is called an appeal to hypocrisy. More specifically even if you could establish that I hold different standards between voting and gun purchases it would not make my argument against voter ID any less valid.you shouldnt have presented one then,,I'm done engaging on a logical fallacybut its not happening in voting,,As long as there's another way provided to verify the person's identity get rid of them. Just like happens now in regards to voting.so youre OK if we get rid of IDs for gun purchases??? and all the other things its needed for??We are not the ones complaining about voter fraud and the need to make the elections more secure than they are. You are the person complaining. Complaining about a non-existent problem I might add. What we are complaining about is the fact that upping the requirements for voting by default lowers turnout without the changes being justified.then what have you and all the others been complaining about???You want everybody to vote providing they prove it's them? Voter ID Laws - Vote.org This already happens.I want everyone to vote,, just have to prove its them voting just like we require in every other important thing people do,,Yup some people are stupid. Guess what... that's not considered a reason to disenfranchise. But hey if you want a college degree to be a requirement, I don't think most Democrats would disagree.those are piss poor excuses since they have 2 yrs to prepare for it,,Because ID's expire. Because people forget to bring it. Because very few cases of impersonating a voter have occurred. Because there are other ways to verify identity.give me one good reason not to have them show the same ID when they vote that they used to register with??Unless you can find me saying anywhere here that I don't want secure elections it is a strawman.wheres there a strawman involved???
I can not support voter ID and still want secure elections. As is shown by the fact that in 2016 there was an election after which a commission was formed to investigate voter fraud and none was found even with the full force of the government behind it. It is shown by this election that had literally hundreds of thousands of people looking for it. The full right-wing media establishment looking for it and be prepared to highlight every case that was found. The DOJ said no, judges said no, even lawyers who were litigating for Trump said they were not aware of voter fraud in court. All of this without a voter ID requirement in all states.
Give me added security that doesn't decrease turnout and I'm for it. Any measure that does decrease turnout requires anybody making a CREDIBLE assertion that would warrant that change.
Trying to establish that voter ID is the only way to have secure elections is simply false.
or didnt you know they have to show ID to register??
I just gave 4.
sounds like youre saying some people are to stupid to be prepared,,,
As to excuses. Don't ask me for reasons if you consider them excuses. Again. You want millions of people to not vote for a problem that has occurred a bit over a dozen times since 2000. Does that sound reasonable to you?
now if you want to be consistent and do away with all ID requirements then we can talk,, I suggest you start with gun purchases and then move to driving and work your way down from there,,,
otherwise youre a lying hypocrite,,,
Going for another strawman I see? Where do I say here, or anywhere that I want to get rid of ID requirements?
Not for nothing, this is getting tedious. So far I've seen you use 2 strawmen, ask a question to take my answer as "excuses" and in general refuse to engage my actual premises, and now trying to do an appeal to hypocrisy... badly I might add.
I like arguing and thanks for at least refraining from being impolite, but at some point it gets boring.
EVERY SINGLE STATE HAS A WAY TO VERIFY THE VOTER, NOT ALL STATES HAVE AN ID REQUIREMENT. I'VE SAID THIS NOW 3 TIMES. Maybe if you weren't dodging my premises so much it would have sunk in?
I smell a hypocrite,,
a person walks in and votes and at no time do those verifications follow up because they cant,,
now in gun purchases I walk in buy a gun without giving ID how do they later confirm who I was??
youve failed repeatedly to give a logical reason to not have one to vote,,,