Invitations to the Constitutional Convention

[$ecular#eckler]

Oh look! A bunch of us got together and created a new charter for the US Government!!!
That's nice kid. Now go away

The evolution of what has gone wrong is not as easy to follow as the legends of what has gone right, but ultimately, it is a very safe bet that none of the subsisting political parties are prepared to be the benevolent oligarchy to guide us to the American Dream and prove that the system designed over two hundred years ago, and then adjusted by amendments here and there, is finally going to work correctly, because the smart people are finally going to be able to put the right people in the right places. We know that is a delusion, because the path to tranquility is more often imagined to have an orderly approach with enlightening effects, lots of social pleasantries, and hints of harmony. Whereas, the political scientists are describing the possibilities of civil war, political coups, and domestic terrorism. We are enduring hysterical protests, and increased social disorderliness, and there is nothing about the civil activities of Americans that suggests that we are accurately guiding the approach to domestic tranquility.

Something is wrong with the governing system, and it is not just because of the people who are in it. The American Experiment somehow nurtures those nefarious people, as well as the honest and humble. The problem is complex and it is not going to solve itself.

 

[ozro]

The OP is an idiot. Thread fail.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Something is wrong with the governing system, and it is not just because of the people who are in it. The American Experiment somehow nurtures those nefarious people, as well as the honest and humble. The problem is complex and it is not going to solve itself.

Facts remains:
- If you want to make fundamental changes to the system, you need to amend the constitution
- If the people sent to amend the constitution are not willing to compromise in such a way to create a amendments which 38 states will ratify, you will not amend the constitution.

 

[presonorek]

Far too partisan to be of any use on any such convention.
He is incapable of compromise.

Nah. I heard Obama once say that if the Republican congress would vote with democrats then they would compromise afterwards. I don't remember how it ended but I am betting they took the bait.

Obama can compromise as long as you give him every single thing he wants first. Then they can compromise about the color schemes for the bathrooms in the White House. Obama can compromise!

 

[westwall]

So, who, and how would you compose an invitation to reorder the charter system to get things straightened out?

Nope. Enforce the COTUS as written. A constitutional convention allows the attendees to rewrite it completely. No Bill of Rights.

Literally a fascists wet dream.

 

[presonorek]

Nope. Enforce the COTUS as written. A constitutional convention allows the attendees to rewrite it completely. No Bill of Rights.

Literally a fascists wet dream.

Whatever they rewrite has to be approved by 3/4ths of the states. They don't just rewrite it and then it magically changes. A radical agenda cannot survive the process necessary for constitutional changes.

 

[PeterPilot]

Nope. Enforce the COTUS as written. A constitutional convention allows the attendees to rewrite it completely. No Bill of Rights.

Literally a fascists wet dream.

You make an excellent point, regarding rewriting the document. It is not poorly written, it has become irrelevant ONLY because humans who have taken an oath to support and protect the document have failed in their duties.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Nope. Enforce the COTUS as written. A constitutional convention allows the attendees to rewrite it completely. No Bill of Rights.

Literally a fascists wet dream.

You make an excellent point, regarding rewriting the document. It is not poorly written, it has become irrelevant ONLY because humans who have taken an oath to support and protect the document have failed in their duties.

The problem is the separation theory does not work. The three-branch government only prevents any one person from ascending to a dictatorship, it does not prevent oligarchy; which is a conspired leader of a crony corporate board and management team instead of a box of rocks military to enforce the civil laws. It is better than a dictatorship, but still not what we want, otherwise our civics lessons would describe the approach to oligarchy, and the pundits would not be comparing the presidents to infamous dictators. Political scientists are uniquely aware of the approach to an oligarchy and the false characterizations in their prime-time fear-mongering. Either a dictatorship is not possible, or the government separation model is unreliable.

Ever heard of this shit in your civics class?

The "iron law of oligarchy" states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop oligarchic tendencies, thus making true democracy practically and theoretically impossible, especially in large groups and complex organizations.

Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[westwall]

The problem is the separation theory does not work. The three-branch government only prevents any one person from ascending to a dictatorship, it does not prevent oligarchy; which is a conspired leader of a crony corporate board and management team instead of a box of rocks military to enforce the civil laws. It is better than a dictatorship, but still not what we want, otherwise our civics lessons would describe the approach to oligarchy, and the pundits would not be comparing the presidents to infamous dictators. Political scientists are uniquely aware of the approach to an oligarchy and the false characterizations in their prime-time fear-mongering. Either a dictatorship is not possible, or the government separation model is unreliable.

Ever heard of this shit in your civics class?

Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's why the Founders created the system to be adversarial. It has taken 250 years for the elitists to corrupt it.

 

[presonorek]

That's why the Founders created the system to be adversarial. It has taken 250 years for the elitists to corrupt it.

So now that it has been corrupted what do we do? Get some popcorn and sit around and watch the collapse? (That’s what I’m doing.)

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Nope. Enforce the COTUS as written. A constitutional convention allows the attendees to rewrite it completely. No Bill of Rights.

Literally a fascists wet dream.

You are bogged down by the fear-mongers' dumb shit. You lack an understanding of modern sophistication. It would be extremely difficult for a convention to validate a charter candidate without a bill of rights, much less, get it ratified.

For you to believe that the nefarious people can completely outwit the honest people into accepting controlled authoritarianism really goes to prove how dull you are.

 

[Concerned American]

You lack an understanding of modern sophistication.

You apparently have not been paying attention to the "modern sophistication" that has been in play over the past seven years. There is no limit to the idiocy we have seen posited during that period

 

[westwall]

You are bogged down by the fear-mongers' dumb shit. You lack an understanding of modern sophistication. It would be extremely difficult for a convention to validate a charter candidate without a bill of rights, much less, get it ratified.

For you to believe that the nefarious people can completely outwit the honest people into accepting controlled authoritarianism really goes to prove how dull you are.

Also shows how retarded you are.

 

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[PeterPilot]

For most of my life I've argued against COS thinking there was more to lose than to gain from that option.

I've had to change my mind because the present day government is so totally out of control that COS appears to be the only option to get the government back under control. Jefferson thought that the jury power was the best means devised by man to keep the government within its lawful confines, but they emasculated the jury power in the last century.