Iran Loves its Jews???

[SAYIT]

Prior to this thread becoming a repository for the entire inventory of youtube's video vault of Jewish citizens living in Iran and their happy-fun lives and livelihoods, please consider supplying:

When and where was the video taken? Was the video shot in Iran with "minders" present? Please provide some background regarding what is copied and pasted.

Did the video'ee and the video'or agree on distribution of the video? Is the video'ee really going to speak openly about his or her situation in Iran if they know they and / or their family members may disappear in the night?

Funny you would mention that. According to Wikipedia, Iran effectively holds hostage the family of any Iranian Jew (and only the Jews) who is traveling abroad:
"With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jews to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time."
Persian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Riiight..

Do you have contradictory info or just your goofy (looking) face to offer?
"Even though Ayatollah Khomeini, in his first public speech in 1979, announced the Jewish community would be regarded differently from Israel, Habibollah Elghanian, head of the Tehran Jewish community and one of the wealthiest Iranian Jews, was accused of corruption and contacts with Israel and was executed in 1979.
That led to a wave of emigration by Iranian Jews. Over the past 30 years, the Israeli flag has been repeatedly torched and the Star of David desecrated in Palestine Square in Tehran. The government has also funded the production of countless anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli films and TV series...
Iranian Jews, like Christians and Zoroastrians, have a representative in the Majlis (parliament). But only in 2003 was the blood money for Jewish people and other religious minorities made equal to that of a Muslim. Previously, blood money, the compensation that relatives of a murder victim can claim in lieu of the death sentence for the perpetrator, was half for the minorities...
Sepideh, a female Jewish student is both anxious about not being able to get married and the problems her people face in general, said, "There are almost no educated Jewish boys left in Iran to consider for marriage. Emigration is the last resort that we must consider so that maybe we can experience a future free of restrictions."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kb32Bg&usg=AFQjCNGBs6qvernVuFGDa0w6Y5eVrOb39w

 

[SAYIT]

Well Iran has one of the largest Jewish populations in the Middle East..outside of Israel.

Maybe it's not the love..

But how exactly do you explain that?

There are many ways to explain it. It’s expensive to leave what little you may have and move overseas. That can mean leaving friends and /or family. Without a guarantee of a job, it’s a risky move. Elderly people simply may not be able to start over with a new life in unfamiliar circumstances.

Since 1948, the Jewish population has declined by 75%. How do you explain that?

Could it somehow be connected to the history of the Iranian mullocrats vilifying Jews and spewing the most poisonous hatreds for them?

His numbers are also totally incorrect. There are more Jews in USA, Canada, UK, France, Italy, India, Australia, etc. than currently in Iran. What you see is basically the last generation of Iranian Jews with a 2500 year history of living in Iran. I don't think a revolution and removal of the current regime would bring them back to live there, to be under Muslim rule again. You simply can't trust what they will do next. Sad but true.

In fact, Iran's Jewish community is, as Sallow stated, the 3rd largest in the Mideast behind Israel's and Turkey's. You gotta give even the "big, bad wolf" credit when it's due. That said, his belief that the reluctance of what is left of the community to leave reflects the love they get from their Muslim neighbors or their gov't is disingenuous at best. He's just trolling for dollars.

 

[Sallow]

There was a huge community of Iranian Jews that have been there since ancient times. When the Islamic revolution happened, about 95% of the Jews fled. What remains there are those that for many reasons, such as economic or old age, could not leave. A number of Jews living in Iran have done bullshit conversions to Islam, so that they are accorded the same rights as Muslims, to stop the harassment and intimidation. The question you pose could also be asked of other minorities. The Iranian Bahaiis are far more oppressed and persecuted than the Jews, yet they still maintain small community there. It's their country, language and culture, and they've been living there for thousands of years, you think they should drop all of it and just leave and start fresh in another country?

No doubt Iran has become a good deal more radical.

But why was there a need for the Islamic revolution?

Any idea on that?

Now you move on to another subject. I thought we were talking about Iranian Jews.

It's almost identical to what Obama did in Egypt. Jimmy Carter basically forced an ally out to be replaced by Islamist animals far more oppressive and barbaric than the Shah could ever be.

The underlying cause was that the Shah of Iran, although an ally of the US and the West, as the leader of OPEC was raising oil prices and encouraging members to be courageous with their own country's oil and not cave in to Western pressures. It is also believed that USSR was on the march at the time, and the West believed Islamists would put up a better fight if The Russians decided to invade Iran as well.

You forget all about Operation Ajax?

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or was it something you had no idea about?

How about the United States backing another CIA plant, Saddam Hussien, to use Poison Gas on Iran?

Seriously..would you put up with that sort of shit?

 

[Sallow]

Funny you would mention that. According to Wikipedia, Iran effectively holds hostage the family of any Iranian Jew (and only the Jews) who is traveling abroad:
"With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jews to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time."
Persian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Riiight..

Do you have contradictory info or just your goofy (looking) face to offer?
"Even though Ayatollah Khomeini, in his first public speech in 1979, announced the Jewish community would be regarded differently from Israel, Habibollah Elghanian, head of the Tehran Jewish community and one of the wealthiest Iranian Jews, was accused of corruption and contacts with Israel and was executed in 1979.
That led to a wave of emigration by Iranian Jews. Over the past 30 years, the Israeli flag has been repeatedly torched and the Star of David desecrated in Palestine Square in Tehran. The government has also funded the production of countless anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli films and TV series...
Iranian Jews, like Christians and Zoroastrians, have a representative in the Majlis (parliament). But only in 2003 was the blood money for Jewish people and other religious minorities made equal to that of a Muslim. Previously, blood money, the compensation that relatives of a murder victim can claim in lieu of the death sentence for the perpetrator, was half for the minorities...
Sepideh, a female Jewish student is both anxious about not being able to get married and the problems her people face in general, said, "There are almost no educated Jewish boys left in Iran to consider for marriage. Emigration is the last resort that we must consider so that maybe we can experience a future free of restrictions."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kb32Bg&usg=AFQjCNGBs6qvernVuFGDa0w6Y5eVrOb39w

You guys are big on symptons..and not so much on root cause.

 

[Sallow]

There are many ways to explain it. It’s expensive to leave what little you may have and move overseas. That can mean leaving friends and /or family. Without a guarantee of a job, it’s a risky move. Elderly people simply may not be able to start over with a new life in unfamiliar circumstances.

Since 1948, the Jewish population has declined by 75%. How do you explain that?

Could it somehow be connected to the history of the Iranian mullocrats vilifying Jews and spewing the most poisonous hatreds for them?

His numbers are also totally incorrect. There are more Jews in USA, Canada, UK, France, Italy, India, Australia, etc. than currently in Iran. What you see is basically the last generation of Iranian Jews with a 2500 year history of living in Iran. I don't think a revolution and removal of the current regime would bring them back to live there, to be under Muslim rule again. You simply can't trust what they will do next. Sad but true.

In fact, Iran's Jewish community is, as Sallow stated, the 3rd largest in the Mideast behind Israel's and Turkey's. You gotta give even the "big, bad wolf" credit when it's due. That said, his belief that the reluctance of what is left of the community to leave reflects the love they get from their Muslim neighbors or their gov't is disingenuous at best. He's just trolling for dollars.

There's a difference between trolling and discourse.

Trolling is looking to get people mad..for the sake of getting people mad. And it would involve personal insults.

Discourse, is challenging the notions put out in the thread.

 

[SAYIT]

Riiight..

Do you have contradictory info or just your goofy (looking) face to offer?
"Even though Ayatollah Khomeini, in his first public speech in 1979, announced the Jewish community would be regarded differently from Israel, Habibollah Elghanian, head of the Tehran Jewish community and one of the wealthiest Iranian Jews, was accused of corruption and contacts with Israel and was executed in 1979.
That led to a wave of emigration by Iranian Jews. Over the past 30 years, the Israeli flag has been repeatedly torched and the Star of David desecrated in Palestine Square in Tehran. The government has also funded the production of countless anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli films and TV series...
Iranian Jews, like Christians and Zoroastrians, have a representative in the Majlis (parliament). But only in 2003 was the blood money for Jewish people and other religious minorities made equal to that of a Muslim. Previously, blood money, the compensation that relatives of a murder victim can claim in lieu of the death sentence for the perpetrator, was half for the minorities...
Sepideh, a female Jewish student is both anxious about not being able to get married and the problems her people face in general, said, "There are almost no educated Jewish boys left in Iran to consider for marriage. Emigration is the last resort that we must consider so that maybe we can experience a future free of restrictions."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kb32Bg&usg=AFQjCNGBs6qvernVuFGDa0w6Y5eVrOb39w

You guys are big on symptons..and not so much on root cause.

You guys are big on whining about the facts and not so much on providing any.

 

[Sallow]

Do you have contradictory info or just your goofy (looking) face to offer?
"Even though Ayatollah Khomeini, in his first public speech in 1979, announced the Jewish community would be regarded differently from Israel, Habibollah Elghanian, head of the Tehran Jewish community and one of the wealthiest Iranian Jews, was accused of corruption and contacts with Israel and was executed in 1979.
That led to a wave of emigration by Iranian Jews. Over the past 30 years, the Israeli flag has been repeatedly torched and the Star of David desecrated in Palestine Square in Tehran. The government has also funded the production of countless anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli films and TV series...
Iranian Jews, like Christians and Zoroastrians, have a representative in the Majlis (parliament). But only in 2003 was the blood money for Jewish people and other religious minorities made equal to that of a Muslim. Previously, blood money, the compensation that relatives of a murder victim can claim in lieu of the death sentence for the perpetrator, was half for the minorities...
Sepideh, a female Jewish student is both anxious about not being able to get married and the problems her people face in general, said, "There are almost no educated Jewish boys left in Iran to consider for marriage. Emigration is the last resort that we must consider so that maybe we can experience a future free of restrictions."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kb32Bg&usg=AFQjCNGBs6qvernVuFGDa0w6Y5eVrOb39w

You guys are big on symptons..and not so much on root cause.

You guys are big on whining about the facts and not so much on providing any.

^ See above.

 

[SAYIT]

His numbers are also totally incorrect. There are more Jews in USA, Canada, UK, France, Italy, India, Australia, etc. than currently in Iran. What you see is basically the last generation of Iranian Jews with a 2500 year history of living in Iran. I don't think a revolution and removal of the current regime would bring them back to live there, to be under Muslim rule again. You simply can't trust what they will do next. Sad but true.

In fact, Iran's Jewish community is, as Sallow stated, the 3rd largest in the Mideast behind Israel's and Turkey's. You gotta give even the "big, bad wolf" credit when it's due. That said, his belief that the reluctance of what is left of the community to leave reflects the love they get from their Muslim neighbors or their gov't is disingenuous at best. He's just trolling for dollars.

There's a difference between trolling and discourse.

Trolling is looking to get people mad..for the sake of getting people mad. And it would involve personal insults.

Discourse, is challenging the notions put out in the thread.

In response I'll simply use a bit of what you call discourse:
Riiiight!

 

[SAYIT]

You guys are big on symptons..and not so much on root cause.

You guys are big on whining about the facts and not so much on providing any.

^ See above.

Riiiight

 

[Sallow]

In fact, Iran's Jewish community is, as Sallow stated, the 3rd largest in the Mideast behind Israel's and Turkey's. You gotta give even the "big, bad wolf" credit when it's due. That said, his belief that the reluctance of what is left of the community to leave reflects the love they get from their Muslim neighbors or their gov't is disingenuous at best. He's just trolling for dollars.

There's a difference between trolling and discourse.

Trolling is looking to get people mad..for the sake of getting people mad. And it would involve personal insults.

Discourse, is challenging the notions put out in the thread.

In response I'll simply use a bit of what you call discourse:
Riiiight!

There was nothing in the response that castigated you as a person, rather it was quick snarky refutation of the "facts".

Iran, essentially, was radicalized by outside influences that essentially believe that Iran's natural resources belong to them.

That's not some sort of conspiratorial, outlandish theory..that's the history.

Even Jimmy Carter let it be known to Iran that an interuption in the flow of oil to the US would be tantamount to an act of war.

 

[SAYIT]

Well Iran has one of the largest Jewish populations in the Middle East..outside of Israel.

Maybe it's not the love..

But how exactly do you explain that?

There was a huge community of Iranian Jews that have been there since ancient times. When the Islamic revolution happened, about 95% of the Jews fled. What remains there are those that for many reasons, such as economic or old age, could not leave. A number of Jews living in Iran have done bullshit conversions to Islam, so that they are accorded the same rights as Muslims, to stop the harassment and intimidation. The question you pose could also be asked of other minorities. The Iranian Bahaiis are far more oppressed and persecuted than the Jews, yet they still maintain small community there. It's their country, language and culture, and they've been living there for thousands of years, you think they should drop all of it and just leave and start fresh in another country?

No doubt Iran has become a good deal more radical.

But why was there a need for the Islamic revolution?

Any idea on that?

Sure. It provided cover for invading US territory - our embassy - and holding our people hostage.

 

[SAYIT]

There's a difference between trolling and discourse.

Trolling is looking to get people mad..for the sake of getting people mad. And it would involve personal insults.

Discourse, is challenging the notions put out in the thread.

In response I'll simply use a bit of what you call discourse:
Riiiight!

There was nothing in the response that castigated you as a person, rather it was quick snarky refutation of the "facts".
Iran, essentially, was radicalized by outside influences that essentially believe that Iran's natural resources belong to them.
That's not some sort of conspiratorial, outlandish theory..that's the history.
Even Jimmy Carter let it be known to Iran that an interuption in the flow of oil to the US would be tantamount to an act of war.

I neither said nor inferred that you attacked me but neither did I say that was a requirement to being a troll ... you did. The fact that it was a snarky and empty refutation of the facts is what made me deem it trollish.
As for an interuption of the flow of oil from those who have it to those who don't, I believe I will author a new thread to widen participation ... it's a substantial subject. I hope you'll join in with something more than your snarkiness.

 

[Hollie]

There's a difference between trolling and discourse.

Trolling is looking to get people mad..for the sake of getting people mad. And it would involve personal insults.

Discourse, is challenging the notions put out in the thread.

In response I'll simply use a bit of what you call discourse:
Riiiight!

There was nothing in the response that castigated you as a person, rather it was quick snarky refutation of the "facts".

Iran, essentially, was radicalized by outside influences that essentially believe that Iran's natural resources belong to them.

That's not some sort of conspiratorial, outlandish theory..that's the history.

Even Jimmy Carter let it be known to Iran that an interuption in the flow of oil to the US would be tantamount to an act of war.

I have to disagree with that. As I understand it, the expulsion of the Shah and ascendancy of the Iranian (shia) mullahs was a result of disgust with Western influences and a return to piety by following fundamentalist islamist values.

Persian (shia) Iran was also envisioned by the mullocrats as a bulwark against majority sunni Gulf Arab states.

 

[Sallow]

There was a huge community of Iranian Jews that have been there since ancient times. When the Islamic revolution happened, about 95% of the Jews fled. What remains there are those that for many reasons, such as economic or old age, could not leave. A number of Jews living in Iran have done bullshit conversions to Islam, so that they are accorded the same rights as Muslims, to stop the harassment and intimidation. The question you pose could also be asked of other minorities. The Iranian Bahaiis are far more oppressed and persecuted than the Jews, yet they still maintain small community there. It's their country, language and culture, and they've been living there for thousands of years, you think they should drop all of it and just leave and start fresh in another country?

No doubt Iran has become a good deal more radical.

But why was there a need for the Islamic revolution?

Any idea on that?

Sure. It provided cover for invading US territory - our embassy - and holding our people hostage.

You do know it's a violation of international convention to have spies in embassies, correct?

It's also a violation of international convention to engineer a coup d'etat against a duly elected government.

Both those factors nullify your argument.

 

[Sallow]

In response I'll simply use a bit of what you call discourse:
Riiiight!

There was nothing in the response that castigated you as a person, rather it was quick snarky refutation of the "facts".

Iran, essentially, was radicalized by outside influences that essentially believe that Iran's natural resources belong to them.

That's not some sort of conspiratorial, outlandish theory..that's the history.

Even Jimmy Carter let it be known to Iran that an interuption in the flow of oil to the US would be tantamount to an act of war.

I have to disagree with that. As I understand it, the expulsion of the Shah and ascendancy of the Iranian (shia) mullahs was a result of disgust with Western influences and a return to piety by following fundamentalist islamist values.

Persian (shia) Iran was also envisioned by the mullocrats as a bulwark against majority sunni Gulf Arab states.

The Shah was installed by both US and English agents. After that, the Shah put together a secret police known as the "SAVAK".

SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These guys were charged with eliminating and liquidating all opposition to the Shah..and they were very efficient. The one place they didn't go into..were mosques. So, more radical leaders seeking to overthrow the shah..started meeting there. In turn...it inspired a nationalism in religious leaders. Which is why you have this marriage of Religion and Government in the region.

 

[Hollie]

There was nothing in the response that castigated you as a person, rather it was quick snarky refutation of the "facts".

Iran, essentially, was radicalized by outside influences that essentially believe that Iran's natural resources belong to them.

That's not some sort of conspiratorial, outlandish theory..that's the history.

Even Jimmy Carter let it be known to Iran that an interuption in the flow of oil to the US would be tantamount to an act of war.

I have to disagree with that. As I understand it, the expulsion of the Shah and ascendancy of the Iranian (shia) mullahs was a result of disgust with Western influences and a return to piety by following fundamentalist islamist values.

Persian (shia) Iran was also envisioned by the mullocrats as a bulwark against majority sunni Gulf Arab states.

The Shah was installed by both US and English agents. After that, the Shah put together a secret police known as the "SAVAK".

SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These guys were charged with eliminating and liquidating all opposition to the Shah..and they were very efficient. The one place they didn't go into..were mosques. So, more radical leaders seeking to overthrow the shah..started meeting there. In turn...it inspired a nationalism in religious leaders. Which is why you have this marriage of Religion and Government in the region.

Marriage of religion and government; the blending of the two, is not unique to Iran but is consistent with islamist theology. That theology, such as it is, is inseparable from its political program: suppression / oppression of all competing faiths and to make islam supreme over all people.

 

[SAYIT]

No doubt Iran has become a good deal more radical.

But why was there a need for the Islamic revolution?

Any idea on that?

Sure. It provided cover for invading US territory - our embassy - and holding our people hostage.

You do know it's a violation of international convention to have spies in embassies, correct?

It's also a violation of international convention to engineer a coup d'etat against a duly elected government.

Both those factors nullify your argument.

I was just giving you back some of your snarkiness, but do you infer the storming of our embassy there and subsequent holding of our people was not a violation of international convention or simply that you were ok with it?

 

[Sallow]

I have to disagree with that. As I understand it, the expulsion of the Shah and ascendancy of the Iranian (shia) mullahs was a result of disgust with Western influences and a return to piety by following fundamentalist islamist values.

Persian (shia) Iran was also envisioned by the mullocrats as a bulwark against majority sunni Gulf Arab states.

The Shah was installed by both US and English agents. After that, the Shah put together a secret police known as the "SAVAK".

SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These guys were charged with eliminating and liquidating all opposition to the Shah..and they were very efficient. The one place they didn't go into..were mosques. So, more radical leaders seeking to overthrow the shah..started meeting there. In turn...it inspired a nationalism in religious leaders. Which is why you have this marriage of Religion and Government in the region.

Marriage of religion and government; the blending of the two, is not unique to Iran but is consistent with islamist theology. That theology, such as it is, is inseparable from its political program: suppression / oppression of all competing faiths and to make islam supreme over all people.

It's not unique with Muslim theology.

You forget about the Dark Ages..and Kings like Charlemange? Or the 1930s and the Nazi Movement? Or the Christian Coalition?

Israel is a Jewish state..it's not secular.

Almost all religions seek some hand in governance.

 

[SAYIT]

I have to disagree with that. As I understand it, the expulsion of the Shah and ascendancy of the Iranian (shia) mullahs was a result of disgust with Western influences and a return to piety by following fundamentalist islamist values.

Persian (shia) Iran was also envisioned by the mullocrats as a bulwark against majority sunni Gulf Arab states.

The Shah was installed by both US and English agents. After that, the Shah put together a secret police known as the "SAVAK".

SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These guys were charged with eliminating and liquidating all opposition to the Shah..and they were very efficient. The one place they didn't go into..were mosques. So, more radical leaders seeking to overthrow the shah..started meeting there. In turn...it inspired a nationalism in religious leaders. Which is why you have this marriage of Religion and Government in the region.

Marriage of religion and government; the blending of the two, is not unique to Iran but is consistent with islamist theology. That theology, such as it is, is inseparable from its political program: suppression / oppression of all competing faiths and to make islam supreme over all people.

For those who believe liberal democracy has enabled human advancement the past 5 centuries, a remarkably balanced essay by Columbia University's Mark Lilla explains both the fortuitous nature of Europe's embrace of the separation of church and state and the difficulties the Islamic World has had in doing the same.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...s9jMBg&usg=AFQjCNEhOoWmUjlMSSXoa_zpVGGHSurbdg

 

[Sallow]

Sure. It provided cover for invading US territory - our embassy - and holding our people hostage.

You do know it's a violation of international convention to have spies in embassies, correct?

It's also a violation of international convention to engineer a coup d'etat against a duly elected government.

Both those factors nullify your argument.

I was just giving you back some of your snarkiness, but do you infer the storming of our embassy there and subsequent holding of our people was not a violation of international convention or simply that you were ok with it?

I'm not "okay" with it..but neither am I okay with the crime to preceded it.

I don't know why you give one thing a pass..and the other condemn.

I don't think either action was right. But then again..what would you recommend as a remedy for the removal of a puppet government?