Iranians Shrug Off Obama - America Soon To Follow?

[DiveCon]

The neocons are not moderate, they are extreme war hawks...

JFK was not a neocon...he was not a war hawk... the neocons were originally aligned with Henry "Scoop" Jackson...

The Vietnam war tore the Democratic Party apart...they wanted nothing to do with the war drum beating neocons...as the Democrats jettisoned the neocons... Ronald Reagan welcomed these extremists into the GOP, where they hooked up with right wing extremist christian hawks...

And what you see today is the culmination of Reagan's folly... a party dominated by extremists. Moderate Republicans, Goldwater conservatives and libertarians are being jettisoned to "purify" the party...the Nazis also wanted to "purify" their party...

Oh brother, That's quite a yarn, BFGN

REALLY????????????????????????

The hijacked GOP

Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

Book Review:

Invasion of the Party Snatchers

By Victor Gold

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

Review:
"Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

Synopsis:
The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.
Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold

Victor Gold

holy rollers?
LOL
what a crock
neocons, yes, i agree they have destroyed(or nearly) the GOP

 

[Bfgrn]

Ah, the scrambling to remove JFK from the neocon movement is amusing to watch!

What a dance of denial we have today!

JFK was imbedded in the neocon philosophy. His allegiance to Robert McNamara is plenty proof of that, as are his own words and stance regarding opposition to communism, American intervention, etc.

Sorry kids, but JFK was a neocon. That should not discredit him - it is simple historical fact.

And if you wish to further explore the links with neoconservatism and liberal internationalism, you will find that the philisophical threads greatly intertwine. And while the modern version of neoconservatism is laid out on the unhealthy table of the Iraq War, one must recall that it also was laid out on the far more disastrous table of Vietnam - a table constructed in great part by the neoconservative hands of JFK and LBJ -and their shared Defense Secretary, Robert McNamara.

Don't deny your own history - work to understand it.

liberal morons, they know so much that just isnt true

His allegiance to the former President of the Ford Motor Company is proof JFK was a neocon? W...O...W...!!!

You SAY there is "plenty proof of that, as are his own words and stance regarding opposition to communism, American intervention, etc."

I challenge you to provide those words...if there are plenty, then it should be easy!

"And we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent or omniscient - that we are only six percent of the world's population - that we cannot impose our will upon the other ninety-four percent of mankind - that we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity - and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem."
President John F. Kennedy - November 16, 1961

When Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, John Kenneth Galbraith wrote that he was relieved that the President had died quickly, fearing the destruction of his wit and intellect as the greater evil.
John Kenneth Galbraith

 

[DiveCon]

Ah, the scrambling to remove JFK from the neocon movement is amusing to watch!

What a dance of denial we have today!

JFK was imbedded in the neocon philosophy. His allegiance to Robert McNamara is plenty proof of that, as are his own words and stance regarding opposition to communism, American intervention, etc.

Sorry kids, but JFK was a neocon. That should not discredit him - it is simple historical fact.

And if you wish to further explore the links with neoconservatism and liberal internationalism, you will find that the philisophical threads greatly intertwine. And while the modern version of neoconservatism is laid out on the unhealthy table of the Iraq War, one must recall that it also was laid out on the far more disastrous table of Vietnam - a table constructed in great part by the neoconservative hands of JFK and LBJ -and their shared Defense Secretary, Robert McNamara.

Don't deny your own history - work to understand it.

liberal morons, they know so much that just isnt true

His allegiance to the former President of the Ford Motor Company is proof JFK was a neocon? W...O...W...!!!

You SAY there is "plenty proof of that, as are his own words and stance regarding opposition to communism, American intervention, etc."

I challenge you to provide those words...if there are plenty, then it should be easy!

"And we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent or omniscient - that we are only six percent of the world's population - that we cannot impose our will upon the other ninety-four percent of mankind - that we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity - and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem."
President John F. Kennedy - November 16, 1961

When Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, John Kenneth Galbraith wrote that he was relieved that the President had died quickly, fearing the destruction of his wit and intellect as the greater evil.
John Kenneth Galbraith

maybe its more due to your lack of understanding of what a neocon actually is

 

[Bfgrn]

liberal morons, they know so much that just isnt true

His allegiance to the former President of the Ford Motor Company is proof JFK was a neocon? W...O...W...!!!

You SAY there is "plenty proof of that, as are his own words and stance regarding opposition to communism, American intervention, etc."

I challenge you to provide those words...if there are plenty, then it should be easy!

"And we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent or omniscient - that we are only six percent of the world's population - that we cannot impose our will upon the other ninety-four percent of mankind - that we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity - and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem."
President John F. Kennedy - November 16, 1961

When Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, John Kenneth Galbraith wrote that he was relieved that the President had died quickly, fearing the destruction of his wit and intellect as the greater evil.
John Kenneth Galbraith

maybe its more due to your lack of understanding of what a neocon actually is

OK, then explain what a neocon IS...simple solution...I will be waiting...

 

[Nik]

Didn't mean to commit blasphemy. I apologize.

Retard.

ROFL... Oh GOD! Now that's just PRECIOUS~!

Lmao, you had to edit that? Couldn't get it right the first time?

Oh you rightwingers. Such a barrel of laughs. Thanks for cheering me up on an otherwise pretty depressing day.

 

[rhodescholar]

This thread has pretty much lost any intrinsic value, is there a point to it?

 

[elvis]

I didn't say you support our enemies...so address the person that accused you...

Neocon Daniel Pipe saying he would vote for Ahmadinejad at a Middle East Forum at the Heritage Foundation has nothing to do with the Huffington Post...

You being oblivious to WHO said it and WHERE he said it makes my accusation one of a lack of awareness...(a nice way of calling you a pea brain)

Mousavi ran on a platform of "change" and "hope". AND we've seen large public crowds of support absent in Iran for 30 years...

Hmmmmm....

It has everything to do with the Huntington Post. The headline in the H-post says that neocons are rooting for our enemies. they back that up by saying that TWO count em TWO neocons made that statement. So now that trash-whore Maggie says everyone who KNEW obama's speeches would have zero impact on the outcome of the election is supporting our enemies.
Mousavi uses Obama's words, therefore Obama made a difference. Obamabot (nice way of calling you Obama's bitch.)

Why does any woman who opposes your simplistic opinions need to be called a **** or a whore? What do those definitions have to do with politics?

Oh. Sorry, bitch.

 

[DiveCon]

His allegiance to the former President of the Ford Motor Company is proof JFK was a neocon? W...O...W...!!!

You SAY there is "plenty proof of that, as are his own words and stance regarding opposition to communism, American intervention, etc."

I challenge you to provide those words...if there are plenty, then it should be easy!

"And we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent or omniscient - that we are only six percent of the world's population - that we cannot impose our will upon the other ninety-four percent of mankind - that we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity - and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem."
President John F. Kennedy - November 16, 1961

When Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, John Kenneth Galbraith wrote that he was relieved that the President had died quickly, fearing the destruction of his wit and intellect as the greater evil.
John Kenneth Galbraith

maybe its more due to your lack of understanding of what a neocon actually is

OK, then explain what a neocon IS...simple solution...I will be waiting...

its been explained before and you rejected

NEOCONs are former hawkish dems that didnt like the pacifist bend the democrats were going
but they were socially more liberal

 

[Bfgrn]

maybe its more due to your lack of understanding of what a neocon actually is

OK, then explain what a neocon IS...simple solution...I will be waiting...

its been explained before and you rejected

NEOCONs are former hawkish dems that didnt like the pacifist bend the democrats were going
but they were socially more liberal

So are they still hawks?

Socially more liberal than WHOM?

 

[Bfgrn]

Oh brother, That's quite a yarn, BFGN

REALLY????????????????????????

The hijacked GOP

Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

Book Review:

Invasion of the Party Snatchers

By Victor Gold

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

Review:
"Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

Synopsis:
The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.
Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold

Victor Gold

holy rollers?
LOL
what a crock
neocons, yes, i agree they have destroyed(or nearly) the GOP

The Moral Majority is nothing NEW

"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress."

"I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"

Jerry Falwell
"Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality."

"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

 

[DiveCon]

OK, then explain what a neocon IS...simple solution...I will be waiting...

its been explained before and you rejected

NEOCONs are former hawkish dems that didnt like the pacifist bend the democrats were going
but they were socially more liberal

So are they still hawks?

Socially more liberal than WHOM?

than most republicans, at the time they joined the party

 

[DiveCon]

REALLY????????????????????????

The hijacked GOP

Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

Book Review:

Invasion of the Party Snatchers

By Victor Gold

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

Review:
"Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

Synopsis:
The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.
Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold

Victor Gold

holy rollers?
LOL
what a crock
neocons, yes, i agree they have destroyed(or nearly) the GOP

The Moral Majority is nothing NEW

"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress."

"I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"

Jerry Falwell
"Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality."

"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

yeah, where were those Fallwell death camps, i must have missed those


you fail and just because Fallwell was an asshole, it doesnt put him on the same level with Hitler
Godwins Law

 

[Sinatra]

Gold was trying to sell books - and in this climate, that means linking neocons with a section of modern era Republicans as that is now the mainstream view of the term neocon - though historically innacurate.

Neocons were once a dominant player within the Democrat Party - particularly in the 60's and 70's - though the orignins date further back than that.

As the liberal wing of the Democrat Party grew in influence post-Vietnam era, the neocons / conservative Democrats began to merge within the Republican Party.

In essence, if you take JFK's political leanings and then place him in the mid-1970's, he would belong more to the Republican Party than the Democrat party. The neocon influence is representative of Nixon as well - a socially moderate / liberal Republican with a more hawkish view on foreign relations. In fact, the differences between post 1968 Nixon, and 1961 JFK are minimal - and both heavily influenced by neocon philosophy.

 

[Bfgrn]

holy rollers?
LOL
what a crock
neocons, yes, i agree they have destroyed(or nearly) the GOP

The Moral Majority is nothing NEW

"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress."

"I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"

Jerry Falwell
"Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality."

"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

yeah, where were those Fallwell death camps, i must have missed those


you fail and just because Fallwell was an asshole, it doesnt put him on the same level with Hitler
Godwins Law

The ONLY difference between Falwell and Hitler is position and power...

The two men are interchangeable put in the others position...

 

[Nik]

holy rollers?
LOL
what a crock
neocons, yes, i agree they have destroyed(or nearly) the GOP

The Moral Majority is nothing NEW

"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress."

"I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"

Jerry Falwell
"Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality."

"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

yeah, where were those Fallwell death camps, i must have missed those


you fail and just because Fallwell was an asshole, it doesnt put him on the same level with Hitler
Godwins Law

Weren't you there cheering Elvis on when he was calling me Hitler?

Yeah, I thought so. Shut the fuck up, hypocrite.

 

[DiveCon]

The Moral Majority is nothing NEW

"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress."

"I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"

Jerry Falwell
"Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality."

"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

yeah, where were those Fallwell death camps, i must have missed those


you fail and just because Fallwell was an asshole, it doesnt put him on the same level with Hitler
Godwins Law

The ONLY difference between Falwell and Hitler is position and power...

The two men are interchangeable put in the others position...

more bullshit
Fallwell was nothing like Hitler
it only makes you look like an ass to keep making that foolish claim

 

[DiveCon]

The Moral Majority is nothing NEW

"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress."

"I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"

Jerry Falwell
"Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality."

"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

yeah, where were those Fallwell death camps, i must have missed those


you fail and just because Fallwell was an asshole, it doesnt put him on the same level with Hitler
Godwins Law

Weren't you there cheering Elvis on when he was calling me Hitler?

Yeah, I thought so. Shut the fuck up, hypocrite.

no, i wasnt
you are a fucking moron
i was laughing at him making fun of you
grow a brain

 

[Nik]

yeah, where were those Fallwell death camps, i must have missed those


you fail and just because Fallwell was an asshole, it doesnt put him on the same level with Hitler
Godwins Law

Weren't you there cheering Elvis on when he was calling me Hitler?

Yeah, I thought so. Shut the fuck up, hypocrite.

no, i wasnt
you are a fucking moron
i was laughing at him making fun of you
grow a brain

Yeah...thats exactly what I said. Cheering him on when he was calling me Hitler.

You just used different words for the same damn action.

 

[Bfgrn]

Gold was trying to sell books - and in this climate, that means linking neocons with a section of modern era Republicans as that is now the mainstream view of the term neocon - though historically innacurate.

Neocons were once a dominant player within the Democrat Party - particularly in the 60's and 70's - though the orignins date further back than that.

As the liberal wing of the Democrat Party grew in influence post-Vietnam era, the neocons / conservative Democrats began to merge within the Republican Party.

In essence, if you take JFK's political leanings and then place him in the mid-1970's, he would belong more to the Republican Party than the Democrat party. The neocon influence is representative of Nixon as well - a socially moderate / liberal Republican with a more hawkish view on foreign relations. In fact, the differences between post 1968 Nixon, and 1961 JFK are minimal - and both heavily influenced by neocon philosophy.

No, the neocons did not hold any meaningful positions in government until Reagan welcomed these extremists into the halls of government...

Yea, the aggressive militarist Trotsyists were shunned by the Democrats and welcomed with open arms by the GOP...

You SAY there is "plenty proof of that, as are his own words and stance regarding opposition to communism, American intervention, etc."

I'm waiting for JFK in his own words...

 

[DiveCon]

Weren't you there cheering Elvis on when he was calling me Hitler?

Yeah, I thought so. Shut the fuck up, hypocrite.

no, i wasnt
you are a fucking moron
i was laughing at him making fun of you
grow a brain

Yeah...thats exactly what I said. Cheering him on when he was calling me Hitler.

You just used different words for the same damn action.

you really are fucking stupid
keep showing it, i'm sure there are some that havent seen it yet