Is America the greatest country in the world?

Is the USA the greatest country in the world?

  • Yes it is.

    Votes: 26 40.0%
  • No, and it never was.

    Votes: 10 15.4%
  • No, but it could be.

    Votes: 7 10.8%
  • No, but it was and could be again.

    Votes: 26 40.0%
  • Other (I'll explain in my post)

    Votes: 9 13.8%

  • Total voters
    65
"Some of our wars were ill-advised..."

What a laughable euphemism!

The most vociferous criticism from such an intellect can only be considered as flattery.

Only because you are such a drooling moron you cannot grasp the fact that some of our wars were well advised.

You really are quite pathetic.

Your stupid tone and boring tenor are familiar.

Did you used to post here under some other boring username?
Why do you always resort to this kind of posting whenever you no longer have an intelligent response?

Wouldn't it be better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt?

I offered that kind of response because that's all the dopey post to which I was responding warranted, as you would know if you were objective. But you aren't.

And I don't "always" do anything, but I frequently respond with derision to dopey posts like his -- and yours.

As for the balance of your post, you probably can't even grasp how much of a complete asshole hypocrite you just proved yourself to be --again.

Don't worry too much. We expect you to be unoriginal and derivative.
 
There was a time when people came to America to be Americans. They WANTED to be Americans and all that entailed. I was blessed to participate in helping with classes to help new immigrants from all populated continents (including ours) to assimilate into American culture, to learn the language, to learn the more critical basic laws, to learn the content and respect for the Constitution, to learn our Pledge of Allegiance and the symbolism in our flag, etc. And there were no more proud people in the world who stood up at their swearing in ceremony, who recited the Pledge of Allegiance, who took the oath:

(Working from memory)

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

(and then they sign a written oath containing the same language.)

When you see them reverently facing our flag, reciting the Pledge, many with tears of joy streaming down their cheeks, (and also my cheeks when I was in attendance), there is nothing else to describe it.

From then on they were Americans who happened to be born in another culture. They were not asked to renounce their culture and at times we all joyfully share in the festival traditions of the Chinese, the Irish, the Russians, the Italians, the Mexicans, et al. But they also assimilated into and enriched the unqiue American culture. .


All that is still true today.

I'm not sure what you mean. .


I mean exactly what I said. Everything you described is still true today.
 
All that is still true today.

I'm not sure what you mean. .


I mean exactly what I said. Everything you described is still true today.

No, I don't think everything I have described is still true today. As I said, when the PC Police and activists demand that we change our time honored customs and traditions to avoid giving 'offense' to this group or that group, it creates divisions among us and begins to crumble the uniquely American culture.
 
For me yes. But, as was expressed in the video, we lag so far behind so many other countries in so many categories. In order to be intellectually honest, don't we have to at least look at that?

Which categories do you mean specifically? the education system in Korea may be better and you get free health care in Cuba but look at all the Cubans and Koreans who come here to live. America is the best country in the world hands down.

These are excellent points. You don't see a lot of Americans wanting to emigrate to Korea or Cuba. There are lots of Koreans and Cubans who would love to immigrate here.

And that is not an insignificant thing.

They emigrate to European countries too, so that is not a valid argument.
 
Which categories do you mean specifically? the education system in Korea may be better and you get free health care in Cuba but look at all the Cubans and Koreans who come here to live. America is the best country in the world hands down.

These are excellent points. You don't see a lot of Americans wanting to emigrate to Korea or Cuba. There are lots of Koreans and Cubans who would love to immigrate here.

And that is not an insignificant thing.

They emigrate to European countries too, so that is not a valid argument.

Certainly it is a valid argument if you are discussing whether Cuba and Korea are more desirable places to move than is the United States. Europe was not part of that discussion.

However, if you would like to name ANY other country that would be as appealing to as many people who would choose the USA to live given the opportunity, go for it. I am pretty sure the USA gets more immigration applications than does at least most of the rest of the world combined.
 
I mean exactly what I said. Everything you described is still true today.

No, I don't think everything I have described is still true today. .



Ok, which part - specifically - is not?

Too many to list, but to name a few. . . .

The parts where a school teacher can now be fired for having too many traditional Christmas carols in the winter music program. There was a time when highschools could perform all the wonderful traditional Christmas music from the ages and people, Chrsitian, Jew, Atheist, secular, would come from miles around to enjoy it.

The part where schools can no longer have a "Christmas program' despite it being an officially recognized national holiday.

The part where it is considered inappropriate to insist that school children learn the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem and learn and practice proper protocol for display and respect for the flag.

The part where we can no longer have a generic prayer before a highschool football game when it is comforting for both the fans in attendance and the team or a student led prayer at a highschool assembly. Such were once traditional and customary across the land.

The part where teachers are no longer allowed to promote traditional marriage as the norm or teach children that if they stay off illegal substances, educate themselves, acquire marketable skills, and wait until they are able to support a family and then get married before they have children is the surest ticket to success and prosperity and the surest insurance against poverty.

The part when pride in America and patriotism and an expectation that new citizens would be Americans first in all things were considered virtues.

The part when taking responsibility for your own wants and needs and doing what you had to do to support and set an exemplary example for your family was the expectation of men and what made them men.

The part where we expected people to respect and obey our laws in all things, including immigration.
 
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The parts where a school teacher can now be fired for having too many traditional Christmas carols in the winter music program. There was a time when highschools could perform all the wonderful traditional Christmas music from the ages and people, Chrsitian, Jew, Atheist, secular, would come from miles around to enjoy it.

The part where schools can no longer have a "Christmas program' despite it being an officially recognized national holiday.

The part where it is considered inappropriate to insist that school children learn the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem and learn and practice proper protocol for display and respect for the flag.

The part where we can no longer have a generic prayer before a highschool football game when it is comforting for both the fans in attendance and the team or a student led prayer at a highschool assembly. Such were once traditional and customary across the land..


You're not describing the ills of multiculturalism, you are talking about the divisiveness of left-wing extremism as manifested through a hostility toward patriotism and the attempt to impose their militant secularism on a largely religious country. And none of this is particularly new. The phrase "under God" was only included in the pledge back in 1954. Court challenges soon followed. School prayer cases date back to the 60s as well. The Supreme Court ruled way back in 1943 that students couldn't be forced to recite the pledge.
 
The parts where a school teacher can now be fired for having too many traditional Christmas carols in the winter music program. There was a time when highschools could perform all the wonderful traditional Christmas music from the ages and people, Chrsitian, Jew, Atheist, secular, would come from miles around to enjoy it.

The part where schools can no longer have a "Christmas program' despite it being an officially recognized national holiday.

The part where it is considered inappropriate to insist that school children learn the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem and learn and practice proper protocol for display and respect for the flag.

The part where we can no longer have a generic prayer before a highschool football game when it is comforting for both the fans in attendance and the team or a student led prayer at a highschool assembly. Such were once traditional and customary across the land..


You're not describing the ills of multiculturalism, you are talking about the divisiveness of left-wing extremism as manifested through a hostility toward patriotism and the attempt to impose their militant secularism on a largely religious country. And none of this is particularly new. The phrase "under God" was only included in the pledge back in 1954. Court challenges soon followed. School prayer cases date back to the 60s as well. The Supreme Court ruled way back in 1943 that students couldn't be forced to recite the pledge.

The extremism however is based on the assumption that nothing should be allowed that might offend somebody of another culture. It is all interrelated. It includes no assumption that others should enjoy and share the time honored traditions we have enjoyed for generations. The assumption is that it is insensitive to practice anything that somebody else does not embrace.
 
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The parts where a school teacher can now be fired for having too many traditional Christmas carols in the winter music program. There was a time when highschools could perform all the wonderful traditional Christmas music from the ages and people, Chrsitian, Jew, Atheist, secular, would come from miles around to enjoy it.

The part where schools can no longer have a "Christmas program' despite it being an officially recognized national holiday.

The part where it is considered inappropriate to insist that school children learn the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem and learn and practice proper protocol for display and respect for the flag.

The part where we can no longer have a generic prayer before a highschool football game when it is comforting for both the fans in attendance and the team or a student led prayer at a highschool assembly. Such were once traditional and customary across the land..


You're not describing the ills of multiculturalism, you are talking about the divisiveness of left-wing extremism as manifested through a hostility toward patriotism and the attempt to impose their militant secularism on a largely religious country. And none of this is particularly new. The phrase "under God" was only included in the pledge back in 1954. Court challenges soon followed. School prayer cases date back to the 60s as well. The Supreme Court ruled way back in 1943 that students couldn't be forced to recite the pledge.

The extremism however is based on the assumption that nothing should be allowed that might offend somebody of another culture. It is all interrelated. It includes no assumption that others should enjoy and share the time honored traditions we have enjoyed for generations. The assumption is that it is insensitive to practice anything that somebody else does not embrace.


You're still describing a troubling political trend, not multiculturalism. Please try again.
 
I believe that my country is the best country in the world. If I claimed that, everyone who believes the US is the greatest country would disagree. But how would you know if I was right, and my country was, in fact, the best country?

The US is not the greatest country on earth, far from it. It is not perfect and never has been. That said, I don't think Australia is perfect, either. We never have been and never will be, We are just the greatest country for the people who choose to live here.

The OP should have asked people whether they are US citizens or foreigners, to get an idea of whether outsiders believe the US to be the greatest country.

I think all our countries are special in their own way, but no country can ever be known as 'perfect'.
 
You're not describing the ills of multiculturalism, you are talking about the divisiveness of left-wing extremism as manifested through a hostility toward patriotism and the attempt to impose their militant secularism on a largely religious country. And none of this is particularly new. The phrase "under God" was only included in the pledge back in 1954. Court challenges soon followed. School prayer cases date back to the 60s as well. The Supreme Court ruled way back in 1943 that students couldn't be forced to recite the pledge.

The extremism however is based on the assumption that nothing should be allowed that might offend somebody of another culture. It is all interrelated. It includes no assumption that others should enjoy and share the time honored traditions we have enjoyed for generations. The assumption is that it is insensitive to practice anything that somebody else does not embrace.


You're still describing a troubling political trend, not multiculturalism. Please try again.

Well perhaps we have differing definitions for multi culturalism. When I see the policy being based on not offending any race or ethnic group or lifestyle or religion, its multi culturalism.
 
I believe that my country is the best country in the world. If I claimed that, everyone who believes the US is the greatest country would disagree. But how would you know if I was right, and my country was, in fact, the best country?

The US is not the greatest country on earth, far from it. It is not perfect and never has been. That said, I don't think Australia is perfect, either. We never have been and never will be, We are just the greatest country for the people who choose to live here.

The OP should have asked people whether they are US citizens or foreigners, to get an idea of whether outsiders believe the US to be the greatest country.

I think all our countries are special in their own way, but no country can ever be known as 'perfect'.


I don't think the OP was about "perfect."
 
I believe that my country is the best country in the world. If I claimed that, everyone who believes the US is the greatest country would disagree. But how would you know if I was right, and my country was, in fact, the best country?

The US is not the greatest country on earth, far from it. It is not perfect and never has been. That said, I don't think Australia is perfect, either. We never have been and never will be, We are just the greatest country for the people who choose to live here.

The OP should have asked people whether they are US citizens or foreigners, to get an idea of whether outsiders believe the US to be the greatest country.

I think all our countries are special in their own way, but no country can ever be known as 'perfect'.


I don't think the OP was about "perfect."

By perfect, I mean greatest. Sorry for the confusion.
 
The extremism however is based on the assumption that nothing should be allowed that might offend somebody of another culture. It is all interrelated. It includes no assumption that others should enjoy and share the time honored traditions we have enjoyed for generations. The assumption is that it is insensitive to practice anything that somebody else does not embrace.


You're still describing a troubling political trend, not multiculturalism. Please try again.

Well perhaps we have differing definitions for multi culturalism. When I see the policy being based on not offending any race or ethnic group or lifestyle or religion, its multi culturalism.


That's not what you described either. The leftist extremists and militant secularists are very enthusiastic about offending certain races, religions and lifestyles.
 
I believe that my country is the best country in the world. If I claimed that, everyone who believes the US is the greatest country would disagree. But how would you know if I was right, and my country was, in fact, the best country?

The US is not the greatest country on earth, far from it. It is not perfect and never has been. That said, I don't think Australia is perfect, either. We never have been and never will be, We are just the greatest country for the people who choose to live here.

The OP should have asked people whether they are US citizens or foreigners, to get an idea of whether outsiders believe the US to be the greatest country.

I think all our countries are special in their own way, but no country can ever be known as 'perfect'.

I think anyone is blessed to believe his/her country is best/greatest country and to not want to live anywhere else. I have a friend who was born and grew up in the Netherlands and now lives in Denmark and he doesn't feel that way about either country. And both are really great countries. So I think that is a shame.

And thanks for clearing up the 'perfect' thing. All nations are populated by less than perfect people and therefore will be less than perfect nations. Certainly, as previously posted, the USA and also regions within it have adopted indefensible policies in the past but generally get around to getting it right. Some want to point to those indefensible policies to condemn us. And some of us look to what we were able to solve, resolve, and do better as one of the things that makes our country great.
 
Nobody else is a close second

For me yes. But, as was expressed in the video, we lag so far behind so many other countries in so many categories. In order to be intellectually honest, don't we have to at least look at that?

Which categories do you mean specifically? the education system in Korea may be better and you get free health care in Cuba but look at all the Cubans and Koreans who come here to live. America is the best country in the world hands down.
So much for the Koreans and Cubans (and Mexicans, Africans, Puerto Ricans, Italians, Irish and Russians). But how many Danes have you met who have migrated to the U.S.? How many Norwegians? French? Swedes? Finns? Icelandics? Costa Ricans?

According to Gallup, the UN, Forbes and a few other respected polling organizations, Denmark, a socialist country, is the happiest nation in the world. And happiness is a much more desirable state of being for the citizens of a nation than is greatness -- which extends implications beyond the general quality of its citizens' lives.

Rome was great. So was the British Empire.

As far as the U.S. being the "best," my beef stew is the best beef stew in the world -- because it is mine.
 
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For me yes. But, as was expressed in the video, we lag so far behind so many other countries in so many categories. In order to be intellectually honest, don't we have to at least look at that?

Which categories do you mean specifically? the education system in Korea may be better and you get free health care in Cuba but look at all the Cubans and Koreans who come here to live. America is the best country in the world hands down.
So much for the Koreans and Cubans (and Mexicans, Africans, Puerto Ricans, Italians, Irish and Russians). But how many Danes have you met who have migrated to the U.S.? How many Norwegians? French? Swedes? Finns? Icelandics? Costa Ricans?

According to Gallup, the UN, Forbes and a few other respected polling organizations, Denmark, a socialist country, is the happiest nation in the world. And happiness is a much more desirable state of being for the citizens of a nation than is greatness -- which extends implications beyond the general quality of its citizens' lives.

Rome was great. So was the British Empire.

As far as the U.S. being the "best," my beef stew is the best beef stew in the world -- because it is mine.

It took me a bit to find it, but the fact is, the people are so happy in Denmark that there is a tremendous labor shortage because so many young Danes can’t wait to get out of there once they complete their free education. The high taxes and resulting almost Spartan standard of living when compared to much of Europe and the USA is not conducive to the educated and motivated to remain there.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/b.../05iht-labor.4.8603880.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Denmark is a tiny country much smaller than New York State with a tiny, extremely cohesive population about 2/3rds of that of New York City. Evenso it is taking measures to reduce its own problems with multiculturalism corrupting the unique Danish culture. But to compare it to the 300+ million and extremely diverse population of the USA is ludicrous.

However, since 1820, 400000-450000 Danish people have immigrated to the US and are included in the 35 million Europeans who have come here during that time.
Danish immigration to the United States - Denmark - VisitDenmark: Official guide to Denmark from VisitDenmark with hotel links, map, visa, pictures, flag, Copenhagen info etc.
 
USA is a pale shell of itself in the 40s 50s and 60s.

Back when I was a kid - it seemed like everything was "Made In USA."

Today even our Olympic uniforms are made in China.
 

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