Is it me or are liberals now routinely anti Christian and anti Semitic?

[Syriusly]

It's just you. Because it's always you.

Liberals made sure the right to worship as one chooses was the first thing laid down in the Constitution. So there you go. Don't you.

great care to say something positive about Christianity’s contribution to our civilization??

It was christians who realized that they could be the worst enemies of civilization and society by recognizing the disaster that was the Puritans and self-corrected to a secular government codified with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It goes back farther than that. It goes back to Constantine and the Catholic church with their Inquisitions and Crusades and Jew bashing.

The issue is mixing God with the state. Jesus warned that his kingdom was not of this world, nor could be. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the state, even though he still worshipped the pagan gods, although it is rumored he converted on this death bed.

No man seek political power in the name of God. This is what the Founding Fathers knew and why they created a secular government. However, they mention God repeatedly in their writings and prayed before each Congressional session, which they still do. Why? It's because of men like Ben Franklin who realized that it is only through the moral teachings of the Bible that men could be trusted with freedom.

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

Actually they invoked the concept of "God" so often because that was the style of discourse at the time, and it was put there by coercion from the Church, one of the two then-existing pillars of government/social control that you correctly identified in describing the Liberalism that wrote this country's Constitution, the first entry in the Bill of Rights of which deliberately stuck a thumb in the eye of that traditional power. Executions of "witches" were still in recent memory. That level of terrorism runs deep as coercion, and it leaves marks, hence the appearance of "God" in the documents as a selling tool.

The nearly-unreadable quote from whoever it's from, if anyone, at the bottom of your post doesn't seem to mention anything about the bible or "God"; if anything it affirms the resistance thereto.

Coercion from the church is present only IF the state is involved, such as in the Salem witch trials.

Again, political power mingled with the notion that they speak for God is a terrible mix that Christ warned us about.

Ironically though, even though the Left by in large is at war with Christianity, they still try to persuade Christians they should vote "D" in order to empower the state to take care of the poor and illegal immigrants, etc., all in the name of Jesus.

Then when it comes time to talk about such things as abortion and gay marriage, all of a sudden we need a separation between church and state again.

LMAO!

No, the Founders understood that only a moral society can be a free society. If you take a group of convicts the only thing to do in order to maintain a civil society is build a wall around them and hire a warden to force them to act right. The bottom line is, people are either able to hold themselves accountable to act in a moral fashion, or you have the state come in and do it for them, which usually devolves into a police state of some kind.

You mistakenly equate 'moral society' with a religious society.

Of course you also believe in a 'war on Christianity' so you are pretty stupid.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Is it me or are liberals now routinely anti Christian and anti Semitic?

It's just you. Because it's always you.

Liberals made sure the right to worship as one chooses was the first thing laid down in the Constitution. So there you go. Don't you.

That explain why you booed G-d at your convention

I've been to many a convention. None have ever "booed G-d", whatever the fuck that means.

When I post it will you leave with the Bodeccas or it that just redundant?

"As an ordained United Methodist minister, I am here to attest and affirm that our faith and belief in God is central to the American story and informs the values we've expressed in our party's platform. In addition, President Obama recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and our party's platform should as well...."

Adios!

America was formed by a group of people seeking religious freedom, freedom they did not know with at state run church.

This same society produced the Founding Fathers and the Constitution.

Compare them with the morality of the current culture which produces what we have Washington today as kids can't even pray in school anymore.

Great post! Sadly, the more liberal we become the more our society declines and more we deploy liberalism to solve the problems it creates and exacerbates.

 

[Pogo]

It's just you. Because it's always you.

Liberals made sure the right to worship as one chooses was the first thing laid down in the Constitution. So there you go. Don't you.

great care to say something positive about Christianity’s contribution to our civilization??

It was christians who realized that they could be the worst enemies of civilization and society by recognizing the disaster that was the Puritans and self-corrected to a secular government codified with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It goes back farther than that. It goes back to Constantine and the Catholic church with their Inquisitions and Crusades and Jew bashing.

The issue is mixing God with the state. Jesus warned that his kingdom was not of this world, nor could be. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the state, even though he still worshipped the pagan gods, although it is rumored he converted on this death bed.

No man seek political power in the name of God. This is what the Founding Fathers knew and why they created a secular government. However, they mention God repeatedly in their writings and prayed before each Congressional session, which they still do. Why? It's because of men like Ben Franklin who realized that it is only through the moral teachings of the Bible that men could be trusted with freedom.

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

Actually they invoked the concept of "God" so often because that was the style of discourse at the time, and it was put there by coercion from the Church, one of the two then-existing pillars of government/social control that you correctly identified in describing the Liberalism that wrote this country's Constitution, the first entry in the Bill of Rights of which deliberately stuck a thumb in the eye of that traditional power. Executions of "witches" were still in recent memory. That level of terrorism runs deep as coercion, and it leaves marks, hence the appearance of "God" in the documents as a selling tool.

The nearly-unreadable quote from whoever it's from, if anyone, at the bottom of your post doesn't seem to mention anything about the bible or "God"; if anything it affirms the resistance thereto.

Coercion from the church is present only IF the state is involved, such as in the Salem witch trials.

Again, political power mingled with the notion that they speak for God is a terrible mix that Christ warned us about.

Ironically though, even though the Left by in large is at war with Christianity, they still try to persuade Christians they should vote "D" in order to empower the state to take care of the poor and illegal immigrants, etc., all in the name of Jesus.

Never heard of that (link?) but the thread doesn't purport to be about "the left" -- it purports to be about "Liberals".

Then when it comes time to talk about such things as abortion and gay marriage, all of a sudden we need a separation between church and state again.

There's no "sudden" or "again" about it. That came literally at the beginning with the First Amendment of the Constitution part of the throwing off of that Church influence, per your Salem example and myriad others. All you did there was contrast your own strawman, which was itself a deflection to "the left", with the topic of Liberalism. That's invalid argument and a non-starter.

 

[Pogo]

Is it me or are liberals now routinely anti Christian and anti Semitic?

It's just you. Because it's always you.

Liberals made sure the right to worship as one chooses was the first thing laid down in the Constitution. So there you go. Don't you.

That explain why you booed G-d at your convention

I've been to many a convention. None have ever "booed G-d", whatever the fuck that means.

When I post it will you leave with the Bodeccas or it that just redundant?

"As an ordained United Methodist minister, I am here to attest and affirm that our faith and belief in God is central to the American story and informs the values we've expressed in our party's platform. In addition, President Obama recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and our party's platform should as well...."

Adios!

I have no idea what that event is and I'm not wasting my time opening YouTube on it but it's got jack cheese to do with me. I can guarantee you it's not "my" convention.

 

[Pogo]

...kids can't even pray in school anymore.

Again ------ link?

Why would you be praying in school anyway? Isn't that a ... what is the word.... a school?

 

[Pogo]

I've been to many a convention. None have ever "booed G-d", whatever the fuck that means.

When I post it will you leave with the Bodeccas or it that just redundant?

"As an ordained United Methodist minister, I am here to attest and affirm that our faith and belief in God is central to the American story and informs the values we've expressed in our party's platform. In addition, President Obama recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and our party's platform should as well...."

Adios!

We have a secular government. Always have, Always will. Get over it

You don't know dick about our governemnt

You think it is a theocracy?

Try School House Rock. You might learn something. Maybe all of you at the Stats & Starkey Internet Outreach and Agitprop Center can learn something

How is it all your counterarguments are YouTube videos Frank? You no have words?

 

[Mr Natural]

Great post! Sadly, the more liberal we become the more our society declines and more we deploy liberalism to solve the problems it creates and exacerbates

So what’s your plan to make things all better?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

...kids can't even pray in school anymore.

Again ------ link?

Why would you be praying in school anyway? Isn't that a ... what is the word.... a school?

praying in school to show express teach that you have morality obviously

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Great post! Sadly, the more liberal we become the more our society declines and more we deploy liberalism to solve the problems it creates and exacerbates

So what’s your plan to make things all better?

Christian Republican Capitalism obviously

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

great care to say something positive about Christianity’s contribution to our civilization??

It was christians who realized that they could be the worst enemies of civilization and society by recognizing the disaster that was the Puritans and self-corrected to a secular government codified with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It goes back farther than that. It goes back to Constantine and the Catholic church with their Inquisitions and Crusades and Jew bashing.

The issue is mixing God with the state. Jesus warned that his kingdom was not of this world, nor could be. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the state, even though he still worshipped the pagan gods, although it is rumored he converted on this death bed.

No man seek political power in the name of God. This is what the Founding Fathers knew and why they created a secular government. However, they mention God repeatedly in their writings and prayed before each Congressional session, which they still do. Why? It's because of men like Ben Franklin who realized that it is only through the moral teachings of the Bible that men could be trusted with freedom.

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

Actually they invoked the concept of "God" so often because that was the style of discourse at the time, and it was put there by coercion from the Church, one of the two then-existing pillars of government/social control that you correctly identified in describing the Liberalism that wrote this country's Constitution, the first entry in the Bill of Rights of which deliberately stuck a thumb in the eye of that traditional power. Executions of "witches" were still in recent memory. That level of terrorism runs deep as coercion, and it leaves marks, hence the appearance of "God" in the documents as a selling tool.

The nearly-unreadable quote from whoever it's from, if anyone, at the bottom of your post doesn't seem to mention anything about the bible or "God"; if anything it affirms the resistance thereto.

Coercion from the church is present only IF the state is involved, such as in the Salem witch trials.

Again, political power mingled with the notion that they speak for God is a terrible mix that Christ warned us about.

Ironically though, even though the Left by in large is at war with Christianity, they still try to persuade Christians they should vote "D" in order to empower the state to take care of the poor and illegal immigrants, etc., all in the name of Jesus.

Never heard of that (link?) but the thread doesn't purport to be about "the left" -- it purports to be about "Liberals".

Then when it comes time to talk about such things as abortion and gay marriage, all of a sudden we need a separation between church and state again.

There's no "sudden" or "again" about it. That came literally at the beginning with the First Amendment of the Constitution part of the throwing off of that Church influence, per your Salem example and myriad others. All you did there was contrast your own strawman, which was itself a deflection to "the left", with the topic of Liberalism. That's invalid argument and a non-starter.

throwing off? Interesting that you get everything backwards freedom of religion means freedom to have a religion not freedom to throw off religion.

 

[Mr Natural]

Christian Republican Capitalism obviously

Good luck with that.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

great care to say something positive about Christianity’s contribution to our civilization??

It was christians who realized that they could be the worst enemies of civilization and society by recognizing the disaster that was the Puritans and self-corrected to a secular government codified with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It goes back farther than that. It goes back to Constantine and the Catholic church with their Inquisitions and Crusades and Jew bashing.

The issue is mixing God with the state. Jesus warned that his kingdom was not of this world, nor could be. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the state, even though he still worshipped the pagan gods, although it is rumored he converted on this death bed.

No man seek political power in the name of God. This is what the Founding Fathers knew and why they created a secular government. However, they mention God repeatedly in their writings and prayed before each Congressional session, which they still do. Why? It's because of men like Ben Franklin who realized that it is only through the moral teachings of the Bible that men could be trusted with freedom.

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

Actually they invoked the concept of "God" so often because that was the style of discourse at the time, and it was put there by coercion from the Church, one of the two then-existing pillars of government/social control that you correctly identified in describing the Liberalism that wrote this country's Constitution, the first entry in the Bill of Rights of which deliberately stuck a thumb in the eye of that traditional power. Executions of "witches" were still in recent memory. That level of terrorism runs deep as coercion, and it leaves marks, hence the appearance of "God" in the documents as a selling tool.

The nearly-unreadable quote from whoever it's from, if anyone, at the bottom of your post doesn't seem to mention anything about the bible or "God"; if anything it affirms the resistance thereto.

Coercion from the church is present only IF the state is involved, such as in the Salem witch trials.

Again, political power mingled with the notion that they speak for God is a terrible mix that Christ warned us about.

Ironically though, even though the Left by in large is at war with Christianity, they still try to persuade Christians they should vote "D" in order to empower the state to take care of the poor and illegal immigrants, etc., all in the name of Jesus.

Then when it comes time to talk about such things as abortion and gay marriage, all of a sudden we need a separation between church and state again.

LMAO!

No, the Founders understood that only a moral society can be a free society. If you take a group of convicts the only thing to do in order to maintain a civil society is build a wall around them and hire a warden to force them to act right. The bottom line is, people are either able to hold themselves accountable to act in a moral fashion, or you have the state come in and do it for them, which usually devolves into a police state of some kind.

You mistakenly equate 'moral society' with a religious society.

Of course you also believe in a 'war on Christianity' so you are pretty stupid.

Moral and religious are the same since religion is the source of morality. Before Christianity we had the Roman religion which encouraged us to go to the Colosseum and watch innocent people being eaten alive. Now do you understand?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Christian Republican Capitalism obviously

Good luck with that.

If liberal people like you had the IQ to know you should help our luck would be much better

 

[BULLDOG]

It was christians who realized that they could be the worst enemies of civilization and society by recognizing the disaster that was the Puritans and self-corrected to a secular government codified with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It goes back farther than that. It goes back to Constantine and the Catholic church with their Inquisitions and Crusades and Jew bashing.

The issue is mixing God with the state. Jesus warned that his kingdom was not of this world, nor could be. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the state, even though he still worshipped the pagan gods, although it is rumored he converted on this death bed.

No man seek political power in the name of God. This is what the Founding Fathers knew and why they created a secular government. However, they mention God repeatedly in their writings and prayed before each Congressional session, which they still do. Why? It's because of men like Ben Franklin who realized that it is only through the moral teachings of the Bible that men could be trusted with freedom.

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

Actually they invoked the concept of "God" so often because that was the style of discourse at the time, and it was put there by coercion from the Church, one of the two then-existing pillars of government/social control that you correctly identified in describing the Liberalism that wrote this country's Constitution, the first entry in the Bill of Rights of which deliberately stuck a thumb in the eye of that traditional power. Executions of "witches" were still in recent memory. That level of terrorism runs deep as coercion, and it leaves marks, hence the appearance of "God" in the documents as a selling tool.

The nearly-unreadable quote from whoever it's from, if anyone, at the bottom of your post doesn't seem to mention anything about the bible or "God"; if anything it affirms the resistance thereto.

Coercion from the church is present only IF the state is involved, such as in the Salem witch trials.

Again, political power mingled with the notion that they speak for God is a terrible mix that Christ warned us about.

Ironically though, even though the Left by in large is at war with Christianity, they still try to persuade Christians they should vote "D" in order to empower the state to take care of the poor and illegal immigrants, etc., all in the name of Jesus.

Never heard of that (link?) but the thread doesn't purport to be about "the left" -- it purports to be about "Liberals".

Then when it comes time to talk about such things as abortion and gay marriage, all of a sudden we need a separation between church and state again.

There's no "sudden" or "again" about it. That came literally at the beginning with the First Amendment of the Constitution part of the throwing off of that Church influence, per your Salem example and myriad others. All you did there was contrast your own strawman, which was itself a deflection to "the left", with the topic of Liberalism. That's invalid argument and a non-starter.

throwing off? Interesting that you get everything backwards freedom of religion means freedom to have a religion not freedom to throw off religion.

Also freedom from religion.

 

[Mr Natural]

Christian Republican Capitalism obviously

Good luck with that.

If liberal people like you had the IQ to know you should help our luck would be much better

And right away, he's back with the insults.

I got one for you, Special Ed:

Go Fuck Yourself, asshole!

And I sincerely hope this offends your holier-than-thou Christian sensibilities.

 

[Syriusly]

It was christians who realized that they could be the worst enemies of civilization and society by recognizing the disaster that was the Puritans and self-corrected to a secular government codified with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It goes back farther than that. It goes back to Constantine and the Catholic church with their Inquisitions and Crusades and Jew bashing.

The issue is mixing God with the state. Jesus warned that his kingdom was not of this world, nor could be. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the state, even though he still worshipped the pagan gods, although it is rumored he converted on this death bed.

No man seek political power in the name of God. This is what the Founding Fathers knew and why they created a secular government. However, they mention God repeatedly in their writings and prayed before each Congressional session, which they still do. Why? It's because of men like Ben Franklin who realized that it is only through the moral teachings of the Bible that men could be trusted with freedom.

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

Actually they invoked the concept of "God" so often because that was the style of discourse at the time, and it was put there by coercion from the Church, one of the two then-existing pillars of government/social control that you correctly identified in describing the Liberalism that wrote this country's Constitution, the first entry in the Bill of Rights of which deliberately stuck a thumb in the eye of that traditional power. Executions of "witches" were still in recent memory. That level of terrorism runs deep as coercion, and it leaves marks, hence the appearance of "God" in the documents as a selling tool.

The nearly-unreadable quote from whoever it's from, if anyone, at the bottom of your post doesn't seem to mention anything about the bible or "God"; if anything it affirms the resistance thereto.

Coercion from the church is present only IF the state is involved, such as in the Salem witch trials.

Again, political power mingled with the notion that they speak for God is a terrible mix that Christ warned us about.

Ironically though, even though the Left by in large is at war with Christianity, they still try to persuade Christians they should vote "D" in order to empower the state to take care of the poor and illegal immigrants, etc., all in the name of Jesus.

Then when it comes time to talk about such things as abortion and gay marriage, all of a sudden we need a separation between church and state again.

LMAO!

No, the Founders understood that only a moral society can be a free society. If you take a group of convicts the only thing to do in order to maintain a civil society is build a wall around them and hire a warden to force them to act right. The bottom line is, people are either able to hold themselves accountable to act in a moral fashion, or you have the state come in and do it for them, which usually devolves into a police state of some kind.

You mistakenly equate 'moral society' with a religious society.

Of course you also believe in a 'war on Christianity' so you are pretty stupid.

Moral and religious are the same since religion is the source of morality. Before Christianity we had the Roman religion which encouraged us to go to the Colosseum and watch innocent people being eaten alive. Now do you understand?

If religion is the source of morality- was it moral for the Romans to have animals attack humans- since as you acknowledge that the Romans had religion?

Lots of religious societies did horribly immoral things. Just look at the Reformation and the Anti-Reformation- where Christians from both sides routinely did disgusting things to each other and of course the Jews. Always the Jews.

Allowing public group praying to Jesus in public schools will not somehow make American more 'moral'- it will just be forcing on religion on every kid.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Is it me or are liberals now routinely anti Christian and anti Semitic?

It's just you. Because it's always you.

Liberals made sure the right to worship as one chooses was the first thing laid down in the Constitution. So there you go. Don't you.

That explain why you booed G-d at your convention

I've been to many a convention. None have ever "booed G-d", whatever the fuck that means.

When I post it will you leave with the Bodeccas or it that just redundant?

"As an ordained United Methodist minister, I am here to attest and affirm that our faith and belief in God is central to the American story and informs the values we've expressed in our party's platform. In addition, President Obama recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and our party's platform should as well...."

Adios!

I have no idea what that event is and I'm not wasting my time opening YouTube on it but it's got jack cheese to do with me. I can guarantee you it's not "my" convention.

dNC Convention where they booed G-d and voted against including G-d in their platform

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When I post it will you leave with the Bodeccas or it that just redundant?

"As an ordained United Methodist minister, I am here to attest and affirm that our faith and belief in God is central to the American story and informs the values we've expressed in our party's platform. In addition, President Obama recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and our party's platform should as well...."

Adios!

We have a secular government. Always have, Always will. Get over it

You don't know dick about our governemnt

You think it is a theocracy?

Try School House Rock. You might learn something. Maybe all of you at the Stats & Starkey Internet Outreach and Agitprop Center can learn something

How is it all your counterarguments are YouTube videos Frank? You no have words?

I tried the words, you didn't believe them; so I posted the video

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If religion is the source of morality- was it moral for the Romans to have animals attack humans- since as you acknowledge that the Romans had religion?
.

subject of thread is Christianity

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Lots of religious societies did horribly immoral things. Just look at the Reformation and the Anti-Reformation- where Christians from both sides routinely did disgusting things to each other and of course the Jews. Always the Jews.
.

so?? did somebody tell you religion provided an exact blueprint of what to do?