Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[abu afak]

Link no longer works, but I'm copying this from an old post of Mine on another board. Insane
I wonder what it is now?
Add 30% is my guess.

Yes, these are/WERE my MONTHLY, not Yearly. For the QPOS plan. A slightly better than average individual one. No dental.

http://healthinsurance.aetna.com/med...QPOS_Rates.pdf

THESE RATES ARE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2011
THROUGH JUNE 30, 2011 ONLY
GREATER NEW YORK*

Individual - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $1,932
Parent/Child(ren) - - - - - - - - - $3,558
Parent/Child(ren) to age 30 - - $3,667
Husband/Wife - -- - - - - - - - - - - $3,866
Family - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- $5,975
Family/Child(ren) to age 30 - - -$6,159
------------------------------------------
BINGHAMTON/ SYRACUSE**

Individual - - - - - - - -- - - - - -- - - $1,740
Parent/Child(ren) - - - - - - - - - - $3,201
Parent/Child(ren) to age 30 - -- $3,300
Husband/Wife - - - - - - - - - - - -- -$3,478
Family - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - $5,377
Family/Child(ren) to age 30 - - -$5,542​

Tell me how that "works"?

 

[JGalt]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

You can't move there stupid and I am not talking about a broke third world country d u h ...

Well you certainly can't if you don't try. And as far as a broke third world country....WTF do you feel socialism does? Develop rich countries? dumbass.

They have massive oil reserves and still because of having utopian socialism that the dumbass supports, are out of toilet paper.

The Venezuelan government can't even run a simple oil industry. Oil exports account for 96% of their revenues, but output has dropped to its lowest level in 30 years — 1.5 million barrels a day, down from 3.2 million in 2008.

Yet another proven failure of socialism.

 

[Thinker101]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

You can't move there stupid and I am not talking about a broke third world country d u h ...

Well you certainly can't if you don't try. And as far as a broke third world country....WTF do you feel socialism does? Develop rich countries? dumbass.

They have massive oil reserves and still because of having utopian socialism that the dumbass supports, are out of toilet paper.

The Venezuelan government can't even run a simple oil industry. Oil exports account for 96% of their revenues, but output has dropped to its lowest level in 30 years — 1.5 million barrels a day, down from 3.2 million in 2008.

Yet another proven failure of socialism.

Makes sense, not easy finding people to work for crumbs.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

If we keep importing poor people we will go bankrupt

 

[Wry Catcher]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

No fix is in the wind. There is nothing more important than having good health and preventable disease. Ryan, McConnell and Trump put politics before your parents, spouse and kids. Keep this upfront in your head when you go to the polls in November.

 

[JGalt]

20+ trillion in debt. 150+ trillion unfunded liabilities.

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

Add $32.6 trillion to that if we want universal healthcare. Bernie Sanders and a bunch of Democrats want to push through a "Medicare for all" plan.

Except they forgot to do a cost-analysis and don't have a clue where the money would come from...

Bernie Sanders' 'Medicare for all' bill estimated to cost $32.6T, new study says

Add $32.6 trillion to that if we want universal healthcare.

Of course that in not true at all. This isn't a theoretical exercise. There are places where this type of system already exists.

...which is one of the reasons we're already $20 trillion in debt. Doubling or tripling down on a dose of medicine doesn't necessarily cure what ails you. Sometimes it just kills you.

Huh?

What does debt have to do with my point?

These "places" you're referring to are in other countries, or were you referring to state programs?

 

[WillowTree]

Universal health care if applied now would be the anchor that drags the US economy into a never ending downward spiral. Prior to Obamacare, the health care system was basically working but too expensive. After Obamacare, the health care system is working less well (more complicated longer wait times etc) and is considerably more expensive. It is clear that the "Affordable Care Act" had nothing to do with making health care affordable and was instead a massive expansion of healthcare to the poor and elderly who incidentally are the greatest consumers of health services.

We need to address COSTS, drug costs, treatment costs, billing simplification, new more efficient health centers, as well as meaningful tort reform and penalties for frivolous malpractice law suits. Lawyers and their class action lawsuits have become fabulously wealthy suing drug and equipment manufacturers and as a result contributed to the rising costs.

Actually Obamacare took 960 billion dollars from senior care.

 

[Thinker101]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

You can't move there stupid and I am not talking about a broke third world country d u h ...

Evidently you CAN move there. Here are a couple of pointers to get started.
What should I know before moving to Venezuela? - Caracas Forum - TripAdvisor

 

[Mac1958]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

 

[DustyInfinity]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

So you’re in favor of turning your entire paycheck over to the Government each week? Good for you. I sure as Hell am not interested in doing so.

We pay 26%, other developed countries pay 34%. And they have free healthcare and all that other stuff. Don't be a dupe!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIDBAO&usg=AOvVaw0Mch4jXusiJ5TB80NZ5e6Y

I did not know we paid 26% and other countries paid 34%. It is always painted that we are the most expensive mess ever. Since our leaders are morons and should not be asked to think, it is obvious we should just get them out of the picture as much as possible.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

If we keep importing poor people we will go bankrupt

And that is also a valid point.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

I get that, but we would have to address the corruption and incompetence of the legislative branch. And I don't know how that is going to happen in a nation that is getting deeper and deeper dug into their respective divisions.
We are so damn stupid right now it isn't funny.
We are rapidly losing our way of lives, and we are all too drunk on rock throwing contest to notice.

 

[JGalt]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

You can't move there stupid and I am not talking about a broke third world country d u h ...

Evidently you CAN move there. Here are a couple of pointers to get started.
What should I know before moving to Venezuela? - Caracas Forum - TripAdvisor

The guy didn't ask any of the important questions like

1. Which body armor should I take with me to Venezuela? Level III or Level IV?

2. Is it legal for me to bring along my AK-47 in case someone tries to kill me?

3. What's the current rate Venezuelan kidnappers charge for ransom, and do they take American greenbacks or Paypal?

 

[OldLady]

One of the biggest problems in creating any kind of government system in the US, is that we need competent intelligent people to create it. Unfortunately, to become a legislator in our system, you just need to be rich and power hungry. You could have the common sense of a turnip.

We already have a system that works. Medicare. Just expand it to everyone.

 

[Mac1958]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

I get that, but we would have to address the corruption and incompetence of the legislative branch. And I don't know how that is going to happen in a nation that is getting deeper and deeper dug into their respective divisions.
We are so damn stupid right now it isn't funny.
We are rapidly losing our way of lives, and we are all too drunk on rock throwing contest to notice.

Yep. This is madness, and the crazies just don't give a shit.
.

 

[Norman]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

You can't move there stupid and I am not talking about a broke third world country d u h ...

Evidently you CAN move there. Here are a couple of pointers to get started.
What should I know before moving to Venezuela? - Caracas Forum - TripAdvisor

The guy didn't ask any of the important questions like

1. Which body armor should I take with me to Venezuela? Level III or Level IV?

2. Is it legal for me to bring along my AK-47 in case someone tries to kill me?

3. What's the current rate Venezuelan kidnappers charge for ransom, and do they take American greenbacks or Paypal?

"How many toilet paper rolls will last me a lifetime?"

 

[Hutch Starskey]

20+ trillion in debt. 150+ trillion unfunded liabilities.

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

Add $32.6 trillion to that if we want universal healthcare. Bernie Sanders and a bunch of Democrats want to push through a "Medicare for all" plan.

Except they forgot to do a cost-analysis and don't have a clue where the money would come from...

Bernie Sanders' 'Medicare for all' bill estimated to cost $32.6T, new study says

Add $32.6 trillion to that if we want universal healthcare.

Of course that in not true at all. This isn't a theoretical exercise. There are places where this type of system already exists.

...which is one of the reasons we're already $20 trillion in debt. Doubling or tripling down on a dose of medicine doesn't necessarily cure what ails you. Sometimes it just kills you.

Huh?

What does debt have to do with my point?

These "places" you're referring to are in other countries, or were you referring to state programs?

Yes, other countries. The working models already exist. What does debt have to do with that?

 

[WillowTree]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

Are you aware that the people on Medicare paid into the system for 20-30 years before they ever drew a nickels worth of care?

 

[gallantwarrior]

FACT: people die. FACT: ,get sick. FACT: this is Nature's way of controlling the people population. I you buy int AGW, why in hell would you buy into universal health care?

 

[WillowTree]

One of the biggest problems in creating any kind of government system in the US, is that we need competent intelligent people to create it. Unfortunately, to become a legislator in our system, you just need to be rich and power hungry. You could have the common sense of a turnip.

We already have a system that works. Medicare. Just expand it to everyone.

Are ewe aware that the folks on Medicare paid into the system 20 or 30 years before they received a nickels worth of care? The democrats stole 960 billion dollars of their money?