Is it waycist to criticize Islam?

[QuickHitCurepon]

Narcissists rule.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

---------------------------- your joke wasn't funny Pogo.

Harley thought it was. And he's right.

------------------------------------- well , then i dssagree with him and you . Maybe TH is just trying to be friends while i am not Pogo .

Again, you have no sense of humor because you're obsessed with hate.
That's what hate does to you. And that's one reason I don't dabble in it.

Link?

See any of my previous 25,991 posts. Find me an exception and I'll buy you dinner.

So no link?

Moving on, then.

 

[Pogo]

Narcissists rule.

Not without an election he doesn't.

 

[Pogo]

Harley thought it was. And he's right.

------------------------------------- well , then i dssagree with him and you . Maybe TH is just trying to be friends while i am not Pogo .

Again, you have no sense of humor because you're obsessed with hate.
That's what hate does to you. And that's one reason I don't dabble in it.

Link?

See any of my previous 25,991 posts. Find me an exception and I'll buy you dinner.

So no link?

Moving on, then.

I just gave you 25,991. And counting.

Meanwhile my demands, which came first, still stand untouched.

You lose.

 

[Unkotare]

Many liberals want you to believe that....however it is not racist to criticise a belief system.

Manufactured fears about Islamophobia have been weaponized to characterize all criticism of Islam as racist.

But Islam is not a race. No belief system is above scrutiny, and especially one as provably intolerant and barbarous as Islam.

VIDEO: The Truth About Islamophobia

A religion is not a race.

 

[MaryL]

But of course, people choose to be assholes and pretend all sorts nonsense when they CHOOSE to murder innocent people that they never met before. Like when the muslims strap a bomb on a 12 year old boy and use him to destroy INNOCENT people that had nothing to do with anything, islam is like that. Not seeing too many Christians or Jews doing such heinous acts. Funny that.

They're there if you want to see 'em though. I'm afraid what we're dealing with is the contrast between on the one hand common perceptions as promulgated by media, including certainly message boards like this, and on the other hand actual reality.

>> If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”

But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom).

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist! <<

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That's been posted many times before of course. Here's a recent update that focuses on Europe:

>> But what about across the pond? The data gathered by Europol strengthens my argument even further. (hat tip: Koppe) Europol publishes an annual report entitled EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report. On their official website, you can access the reports from 2007, 2008, and 2009. (If anyone can find the reports from earlier than that, please let me know so we can include those as well.)

The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam. Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups. Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims. <<​

(more data and charts at the link here)

​

There's common perceptions (a/k/a myths) -- and there's Reality. When the latter disproves the former ----- it's time for the former to take a hike.

The real question becomes -- if the perception is demonstrably false .... WHO is pushing that perception, and why?

--- or perhaps looked at the other way, who is burying all these OTHER stories and ignoring them, and why?

Well. Pogo, 9/11 was perpetrated by muslim hate groups. They killed more people than facist japan did and in such an evil way in a shocking way nobody should forgive. Islam did that. And why should I care if Trump wants them to eat flaming marshmallows for all eternity?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

------------------------------------- well , then i dssagree with him and you . Maybe TH is just trying to be friends while i am not Pogo .

Again, you have no sense of humor because you're obsessed with hate.
That's what hate does to you. And that's one reason I don't dabble in it.

Link?

See any of my previous 25,991 posts. Find me an exception and I'll buy you dinner.

So no link?

Moving on, then.

I just gave you 25,991. And counting.

Meanwhile my demands, which came first, still stand untouched.

You lose.

Not really. You failed to produce a link. YOU lose.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Narcissists rule.

Not without an election he doesn't.

You're psychic.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Again, you have no sense of humor because you're obsessed with hate.
That's what hate does to you. And that's one reason I don't dabble in it.

Link?

See any of my previous 25,991 posts. Find me an exception and I'll buy you dinner.

So no link?

Moving on, then.

I just gave you 25,991. And counting.

Meanwhile my demands, which came first, still stand untouched.

You lose.

Not really. You failed to produce a link. YOU lose.

Bah humbug.

 

[MaryL]

Many liberals want you to believe that....however it is not racist to criticise a belief system.

Manufactured fears about Islamophobia have been weaponized to characterize all criticism of Islam as racist.

But Islam is not a race. No belief system is above scrutiny, and especially one as provably intolerant and barbarous as Islam.

VIDEO: The Truth About Islamophobia

A religion is not a race.

How nice you noticed. Stuff like that seems to skip over your head.

 

[Pogo]

But of course, people choose to be assholes and pretend all sorts nonsense when they CHOOSE to murder innocent people that they never met before. Like when the muslims strap a bomb on a 12 year old boy and use him to destroy INNOCENT people that had nothing to do with anything, islam is like that. Not seeing too many Christians or Jews doing such heinous acts. Funny that.

They're there if you want to see 'em though. I'm afraid what we're dealing with is the contrast between on the one hand common perceptions as promulgated by media, including certainly message boards like this, and on the other hand actual reality.

>> If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”

But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom).

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist! <<

​

That's been posted many times before of course. Here's a recent update that focuses on Europe:

>> But what about across the pond? The data gathered by Europol strengthens my argument even further. (hat tip: Koppe) Europol publishes an annual report entitled EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report. On their official website, you can access the reports from 2007, 2008, and 2009. (If anyone can find the reports from earlier than that, please let me know so we can include those as well.)

The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam. Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups. Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims. <<​

(more data and charts at the link here)

​

There's common perceptions (a/k/a myths) -- and there's Reality. When the latter disproves the former ----- it's time for the former to take a hike.

The real question becomes -- if the perception is demonstrably false .... WHO is pushing that perception, and why?

--- or perhaps looked at the other way, who is burying all these OTHER stories and ignoring them, and why?

Well. Pogo, 9/11 was perpetrated by muslim hate groups. They killed more people than facist japan did and in such an evil way in a shocking way nobody should forgive. Islam did that. And why should I care if Trump wants them to eat flaming marshmallows for all eternity?

Uh --- nnnnnno, Islam didn't did that, political terrorists did that. And no, Japan was not "fascist"; that was in Europe And no, fascist or not Japan killed a lot more than 2900 people and so did we.

But if you wanted to be consistent with your Association Fallacies you would have said that "Shinto" killed X number of people, and if you wanted to count the fascists in Germany and Europe you would have had to note that Catholics and Lutherans killed millions of people.

But of course you don't need to do that, because you don't want to be consistent.

Thanks for demonstrating exactly what I described in post 52. St-Mickey-defame-them .... there's your link.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It's not racist because Islam is a belief system. I'm Muslim and i really don't care if people criticize Islam. What I have an issue with is people criticizing Muslims.

There is 1.6 billion of us. We aren't all the same and don't have the same ideologies. Just like you find different denominations of Christians ranging from your bat shit crazy westbro church members to your more liberal and progressive Christians who are about love and peace. You'll find the same with Muslims.

Do you support Sharia as the foundational law?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Japan was not "fascist

Japan had fascism as Italy?

 

[Brynmr]

fuck islam

You can't do that. It defies the laws of physics.

Interesting fetish though.

Pogo is nothing if not a defender of evil.

 

[Pogo]

Japan was not "fascist

Japan had fascism as Italy?

Nope. It was confined to Europe.

 

[NCC1701]

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Uh --- nnnnnno, Islam didn't did that, political terrorists did that. And no, Japan was not "fascist"; that was in Europe And no, fascist or not Japan killed a lot more than 2900 people and so did we.

uhhh yes, when terrorists kill for their version of islam, that belongs to islam

 

[NCC1701]

Japan was not "fascist

Japan had fascism as Italy?

Nope. It was confined to Europe.

not according to most historians, I'll take their word over your ignorant opinion

 

[Pogo]

Japan was not "fascist

Japan had fascism as Italy?

Nope. It was confined to Europe.

not according to most historians, I'll take their word over your ignorant opinion

Link?

 

[Pogo]

Uh --- nnnnnno, Islam didn't did that, political terrorists did that. And no, Japan was not "fascist"; that was in Europe And no, fascist or not Japan killed a lot more than 2900 people and so did we.

uhhh yes, when terrorists kill for their version of islam, that belongs to islam

Uh huh.
So when Eric Rudolph or Scott Roeder or Robert Dear commits a bombing or a murder, that makes Christianism ---- what?

See what I mean? Can't have it both ways. If you're going with the old Association Fallacy, it doesn't come with an on/off switch.

 

[NCC1701]

Japan was not "fascist

Japan had fascism as Italy?

Nope. It was confined to Europe.

not according to most historians, I'll take their word over your ignorant opinion

Link?

the Japanese believed they were the master race of asia, and it was coupled with a dictatorship that put race and nation ahead of the individual



Japanese propaganda during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This also brought them a sense of racial superiority to the Asian peoples they claimed to liberate that did much to undermine Japanese propaganda for racial unity.[75] Their "bright and strong" souls made them the superior race, and therefore their proper place was in the leadership of the Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.[76] Anyone not Japanese was an enemy – devilish, animalistic – including other Asian peoples such as the Chinese.[77] Strict racial segregation was maintained in conquered regions, and they were encouraged to think of themselves as "the world's foremost people."[78]