Is obama a socilist, or a fascist?

[The T]

Weimar Republic comes to mind as left from the LOSS of WWI by Germany...was imposed ON germany...and with WEAK leardership was left inept...and gave rise to asswipes like HITLER...

It is always wise to always be on our guard not to replace the devil we know with a worse devil. The ONLY thing that would give rise to a Barack Obama in the United States of America in 2008 would be a much weakened Presidency coupled with a high misery index. Even though he himself was a good man with all the right motives, it was George W. Bush's own progressive leanings that did him in coupled with an incompetency in some areas that provided lots of ammunition for the opposition to demonize him to leftists completely willing to accept whatever they were told. Add something like the housing bubble collapse to that soup, and voila, there is a void allowing a Barack Obama to be raised up as the messiah, the savior, the agent of hope and change.

A scenario we have seen multiple times throughout the centuries when the people did not resist a bad government being overthrown by a socialist or totalitarian dictatorship that was far worse.

All that has saved America from a similar fate is the ingrained love of liberty and self governance ingrained into our culture. But I think this is the last generation to have that unless the conservatives such as the Tea Party minded regain control and begin to reteach the principles that made this nation great.

Not his "progressive" leanings, though I did not like much of his NCLB or the supplemental seniors drug program. It was his stupid ass invasion of Iraq and failure to provide a competent followup that broke our NG and AR, weakened our military, led to a more vicious Patriot Act in Obama's admin, and so forth.

Bush's war mongering is what weakened this country.

BUSH went after the PERPS. Like it or not.

YOU are out of your league, and an Obama apologist.

 

[Ernie S.]

bigrebnc: boob extremist #1 now playing at the USMB Theatre of the Absurd.

one fact you can't dodge is that obama is a member of the Chicago New Party

According to boob literature?

According to his name in lists of endorsed candidates and meeting minutes, you fool.

 

[The T]

one fact you can't dodge is that obama is a member of the Chicago New Party

According to boob literature?

According to his name in lists of endorsed candidates and meeting minutes, you fool.

Fakey is a selective sort of reader.

 

[Big Fitz]

I'll tell you another thinker (beyond Marx) who gets a lot of unfair criticism. Malthus. People look at his theory and say it's completely bogus because the world hasn't progressed in that way. What they miss is that it progressed in exactly that way in the 5,000 or so years of recorded history at the time of his writing.

A Malthusian apologist as well?

See... this is why I stopped bothering to talk with you.

 

[Mr.Nick]

bigrebnc: boob extremist #1 now playing at the USMB Theatre of the Absurd.

one fact you can't dodge is that obama is a member of the Chicago New Party

Being from Chicago I have met him a few times at events (1997-98). He is a very likable person but I never got the idea that he was genuine.... He's like a conman or snake oil salesman.. I thought he was awesome at the time but thinking back on it - he is really just a smooth talking conman.

I think he's a narcissist...

I think he's incapable of relating to anyone outside of his "circle."

He lacks empathy...

 

[Big Fitz]

. You also show this obsession with words over deeds. Hitler was very critical of capitalism in his early rhetoric, but in practice he served the interest of large German corporations and greatly aided them. In fact, one of the emerging areas of research in economic history is that German business pushed for the Second World War in at attempt to create captive markets in what they saw as an increasingly globalized world.

Aiding Corporations which assisted him in the war effort does not make his system Capitalist. He merely recognized that socialism sucks and bureaucrats can not manufacture anything worth a damn.

Krupp Industries employed workers conscripted by the Nazi regime from across Europe. These workers were initially paid, but as Nazi fortunes declined they were kept as slave workers.[citation needed] They were abused, beaten, and starved by the thousands, as detailed in the book The Arms of Krupp.


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Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. My whole premise of the thread was that obama would really WANT to be a socialist be realizes that that system is flawed. With his current incarnation of fascism, he can control the means of production with out the associated risk.
Force GM to build cars no one wants to buy and the company goes belly up? It's the fault of corporations.
Force insurance companies to take on more risk and when premiums go up, yup "evil corporations".
He can assume the control he wants and take credit for successes while retaining a scapegoat for the inevitable failures.

and now the apologists and mud stirrers will come in to hide the unvarnished truth. Bury what has been exposed.

 

[The T]

Aiding Corporations which assisted him in the war effort does not make his system Capitalist. He merely recognized that socialism sucks and bureaucrats can not manufacture anything worth a damn.

Krupp Industries employed workers conscripted by the Nazi regime from across Europe. These workers were initially paid, but as Nazi fortunes declined they were kept as slave workers.[citation needed] They were abused, beaten, and starved by the thousands, as detailed in the book The Arms of Krupp.


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Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. My whole premise of the thread was that obama would really WANT to be a socialist be realizes that that system is flawed. With his current incarnation of fascism, he can control the means of production with out the associated risk.
Force GM to build cars no one wants to buy and the company goes belly up? It's the fault of corporations.
Force insurance companies to take on more risk and when premiums go up, yup "evil corporations".
He can assume the control he wants and take credit for successes while retaining a scapegoat for the inevitable failures.

and now the apologists and mud stirrers will come in to hide the unvarnished truth. Bury what has been exposed.

As they dig thier own gaping holes...

 

[Ernie S.]

Weimar Republic comes to mind as left from the LOSS of WWI by Germany...was imposed ON germany...and with WEAK leardership was left inept...and gave rise to asswipes like HITLER...

It is always wise to always be on our guard not to replace the devil we know with a worse devil. The ONLY thing that would give rise to a Barack Obama in the United States of America in 2008 would be a much weakened Presidency coupled with a high misery index. Even though he himself was a good man with all the right motives, it was George W. Bush's own progressive leanings that did him in coupled with an incompetency in some areas that provided lots of ammunition for the opposition to demonize him to leftists completely willing to accept whatever they were told. Add something like the housing bubble collapse to that soup, and voila, there is a void allowing a Barack Obama to be raised up as the messiah, the savior, the agent of hope and change.

A scenario we have seen multiple times throughout the centuries when the people did not resist a bad government being overthrown by a socialist or totalitarian dictatorship that was far worse.

All that has saved America from a similar fate is the ingrained love of liberty and self governance ingrained into our culture. But I think this is the last generation to have that unless the conservatives such as the Tea Party minded regain control and begin to reteach the principles that made this nation great.

Not his "progressive" leanings, though I did not like much of his NCLB or the supplemental seniors drug program. It was his stupid ass invasion of Iraq and failure to provide a competent followup that broke our NG and AR, weakened our military, led to a more vicious Patriot Act in Obama's admin, and so forth.

Bush's war mongering is what weakened this country.

The nick name some have given you here ("Fake") seems to fit you, sir. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent fellow, but have no convictions; no moral compass of your own.
You seem so intent on being seen as reasonable, that you come off as an empty shell devoid of any passion or position. You are a "nothing". You accomplish nothing, you influence no one. In other words, you are worthless; without purpose. You are the proverbial "tits on a boar".

 

[The T]

bigrebnc: boob extremist #1 now playing at the USMB Theatre of the Absurd.

one fact you can't dodge is that obama is a member of the Chicago New Party

Being from Chicago I have met him a few times at events (1997-98). He is a very likable person but I never got the idea that he was genuine.... He's like a conman or snake oil salesman.. I thought he was awesome at the time but thinking back on it - he is really just a smooth talking conman.

I think he's a narcissist...

I think he's incapable of relating to anyone outside of his "circle."

He lacks empathy...

Handshake? Was it limp and without firmness?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Fakey is a selective sort of reader.

And a defective sort of thinker.....

 

[The T]

It is always wise to always be on our guard not to replace the devil we know with a worse devil. The ONLY thing that would give rise to a Barack Obama in the United States of America in 2008 would be a much weakened Presidency coupled with a high misery index. Even though he himself was a good man with all the right motives, it was George W. Bush's own progressive leanings that did him in coupled with an incompetency in some areas that provided lots of ammunition for the opposition to demonize him to leftists completely willing to accept whatever they were told. Add something like the housing bubble collapse to that soup, and voila, there is a void allowing a Barack Obama to be raised up as the messiah, the savior, the agent of hope and change.

A scenario we have seen multiple times throughout the centuries when the people did not resist a bad government being overthrown by a socialist or totalitarian dictatorship that was far worse.

All that has saved America from a similar fate is the ingrained love of liberty and self governance ingrained into our culture. But I think this is the last generation to have that unless the conservatives such as the Tea Party minded regain control and begin to reteach the principles that made this nation great.

Not his "progressive" leanings, though I did not like much of his NCLB or the supplemental seniors drug program. It was his stupid ass invasion of Iraq and failure to provide a competent followup that broke our NG and AR, weakened our military, led to a more vicious Patriot Act in Obama's admin, and so forth.

Bush's war mongering is what weakened this country.

The nick name some have given you here ("Fake") seems to fit you, sir. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent fellow, but have no convictions; no moral compass of your own.
You seem so intent on being seen as reasonable, that you come off as an empty shell devoid of any passion or position. You are a "nothing". You accomplish nothing, you influence no one. In other words, you are worthless; without purpose. You are the proverbial "tits on a boar".

Well stated. WE are dealing with an apparition.

 

[The T]

Fakey is a selective sort of reader.

And a defective sort of thinker.....

And a projectionist...

 

[JakeStarkey]

It is always wise to always be on our guard not to replace the devil we know with a worse devil. The ONLY thing that would give rise to a Barack Obama in the United States of America in 2008 would be a much weakened Presidency coupled with a high misery index. Even though he himself was a good man with all the right motives, it was George W. Bush's own progressive leanings that did him in coupled with an incompetency in some areas that provided lots of ammunition for the opposition to demonize him to leftists completely willing to accept whatever they were told. Add something like the housing bubble collapse to that soup, and voila, there is a void allowing a Barack Obama to be raised up as the messiah, the savior, the agent of hope and change.

A scenario we have seen multiple times throughout the centuries when the people did not resist a bad government being overthrown by a socialist or totalitarian dictatorship that was far worse.

All that has saved America from a similar fate is the ingrained love of liberty and self governance ingrained into our culture. But I think this is the last generation to have that unless the conservatives such as the Tea Party minded regain control and begin to reteach the principles that made this nation great.

Not his "progressive" leanings, though I did not like much of his NCLB or the supplemental seniors drug program. It was his stupid ass invasion of Iraq and failure to provide a competent followup that broke our NG and AR, weakened our military, led to a more vicious Patriot Act in Obama's admin, and so forth.

Bush's war mongering is what weakened this country.

The nick name some have given you here ("Fake") seems to fit you, sir. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent fellow, but have no convictions; no moral compass of your own.
You seem so intent on being seen as reasonable, that you come off as an empty shell devoid of any passion or position. You are a "nothing". You accomplish nothing, you influence no one. In other words, you are worthless; without purpose. You are the proverbial "tits on a boar".

I am reasonable, I am convicted to the Constitution, I have served my country, and I know that extremism such as you and other wish practiced in this country would destroy it.

 

[Mr.Nick]

one fact you can't dodge is that obama is a member of the Chicago New Party

Being from Chicago I have met him a few times at events (1997-98). He is a very likable person but I never got the idea that he was genuine.... He's like a conman or snake oil salesman.. I thought he was awesome at the time but thinking back on it - he is really just a smooth talking conman.

I think he's a narcissist...

I think he's incapable of relating to anyone outside of his "circle."

He lacks empathy...

Handshake? Was it limp and without firmness?

in between... It wasn't bone crushing but it wasn't limp...

Jerry Springer on the other hand (no pun intended) had one of the most feminine handshakes I have ever had from a dude...

Yeah when I was a brainwashed progressive I went to his show - we got front row seats to boot... Some naked chick fell on me trying to attack an audience member - that was my 30 seconds of fame hahaha... I saw myself on TV...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not his "progressive" leanings, though I did not like much of his NCLB or the supplemental seniors drug program. It was his stupid ass invasion of Iraq and failure to provide a competent followup that broke our NG and AR, weakened our military, led to a more vicious Patriot Act in Obama's admin, and so forth.

Bush's war mongering is what weakened this country.

The nick name some have given you here ("Fake") seems to fit you, sir. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent fellow, but have no convictions; no moral compass of your own.
You seem so intent on being seen as reasonable, that you come off as an empty shell devoid of any passion or position. You are a "nothing". You accomplish nothing, you influence no one. In other words, you are worthless; without purpose. You are the proverbial "tits on a boar".

I am reasonable, I am convicted to the Constitution, I have served my country, and I know that extremism such as you and other wish practiced in this country would destroy it.

You sound like obama read my signature.

 

[The T]

Not his "progressive" leanings, though I did not like much of his NCLB or the supplemental seniors drug program. It was his stupid ass invasion of Iraq and failure to provide a competent followup that broke our NG and AR, weakened our military, led to a more vicious Patriot Act in Obama's admin, and so forth.

Bush's war mongering is what weakened this country.

The nick name some have given you here ("Fake") seems to fit you, sir. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent fellow, but have no convictions; no moral compass of your own.
You seem so intent on being seen as reasonable, that you come off as an empty shell devoid of any passion or position. You are a "nothing". You accomplish nothing, you influence no one. In other words, you are worthless; without purpose. You are the proverbial "tits on a boar".

I am reasonable, I am convicted to the Constitution, I have served my country, and I know that extremism such as you and other wish practiced in this country would destroy it.

YOU know NOTHING of the Constitution.

 

[The T]

Being from Chicago I have met him a few times at events (1997-98). He is a very likable person but I never got the idea that he was genuine.... He's like a conman or snake oil salesman.. I thought he was awesome at the time but thinking back on it - he is really just a smooth talking conman.

I think he's a narcissist...

I think he's incapable of relating to anyone outside of his "circle."

He lacks empathy...

Handshake? Was it limp and without firmness?

in between... It wasn't bone crushing but it wasn't limp...

Jerry Springer on the other hand (no pun intended) had one of the most feminine handshakes I have ever had from a dude...

Yeah when I was a brainwashed progressive I went to his show - we got front row seats to boot... Some naked chick fell on me trying to attack an audience member - that was my 30 seconds of fame hahaha... I saw myself on TV...

Not surprising. If a MAN lacks FIRM handshake? Can't be trusted.

Thanks for the answer brother.

 

[Polk]

Well everything I've read suggests that Hitler went after the conservatives of his time--those who resisted letting go of the status quo which is the definition of conservatism in Europe at that time. (Not so in America at this time.)

I would be highly skeptical of the sources you're reading if they've told you Hitler went after the conservatives of the time. One of the primary ways the Nazis gained a veneer of respectability was via their alliance with the paramilitary wing of the largest right-wing party in Germany before their rise (the German National People's Party).

 

[Polk]

. You also show this obsession with words over deeds. Hitler was very critical of capitalism in his early rhetoric, but in practice he served the interest of large German corporations and greatly aided them. In fact, one of the emerging areas of research in economic history is that German business pushed for the Second World War in at attempt to create captive markets in what they saw as an increasingly globalized world.

Aiding Corporations which assisted him in the war effort does not make his system Capitalist. He merely recognized that socialism sucks and bureaucrats can not manufacture anything worth a damn.

Krupp Industries employed workers conscripted by the Nazi regime from across Europe. These workers were initially paid, but as Nazi fortunes declined they were kept as slave workers.[citation needed] They were abused, beaten, and starved by the thousands, as detailed in the book The Arms of Krupp.


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How do you figure that helps your argument? Businesses would love to have a captive labor force.

 

[Vast LWC]

Fascism is rightist

Hitler, for example, spoke several times about how the Nazi's were building the 'perfect socialist state.'

Mussolini was a direct product of the Socialist Party.

As per usual, you haven't the slightest fucking idea what you are talking about.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power” - Benito Mussolini

“Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.” - Benito Mussolini

Though I imagine Mussolini just didn't know what he was talking about. After all, why would he know anything about Fascism?

But hey, since we know Mussolini has no clue about Fascism, let's turn to the Socialists and see what they think:

"Fascism is capitalism in decay” - Vladimir Lenin

Hmm, it seems the Socialists don't agree with your assessment either...