Is the US losing the Climate Tech war?

[Saigon]

For the past 10 years or so, dozens of small businesses across Europe and Asia have focused on finding new niches for energy-saving products and services.

This, after all, is what any capitalist entrepreneur would do, and what any genuine conservative politician would support. So we see countries like Holland, Spain and Germany creating jobs and earning export dollars with stunning new ideas, and dealing with climate change at the same time.

This has to be better than the do-nothing, heads-in-the-sand approach of the extreme right wing in the US and Australia.

Here's one idea I absolutely love - replacing street lighting with a fluourescent gel that 'paints' roads and cycle lanes. This could save the UK $967 million per year - will we see the GOP pushing the same idea? I am guessing not.


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[S.J.]

You inadvertently swirved into the truth, Saigon, at least on the "saving energy" issue.

"replacing street lighting with a fluourescent gel that 'paints' roads and cycle lanes." That's not a bad idea, and where did it come from? An individual thought of it, right? Why not start a business doing that, and offer your services to the city? That's the American way, private enterprise. Where there's a need, there will be someone willing to take the risks of business to make a good profit. And unlike the government, they will find a way to do it efficiently, to maximize their profits. After all, it's THEIR money at risk. When government engages in business, they lose money and don't care because it's not their money, and the taxpayers are the ones who get screwed.

 

[Saigon]

S.J.

Yes, it is private enterprise. Something that apparently exists in Holland, but less so in the US.

 

[S.J.]

S.J.

Yes, it is private enterprise. Something that apparently exists in Holland, but less so in the US.

Thanks to the Democrats.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Not only the climate tech war, but the entire tech war. America will be lucky to be within 5 or 6 place if we keep electing the extremist.

 

[skookerasbil]

For the past 10 years or so, dozens of small businesses across Europe and Asia have focused on finding new niches for energy-saving products and services.

This, after all, is what any capitalist entrepreneur would do, and what any genuine conservative politician would support. So we see countries like Holland, Spain and Germany creating jobs and earning export dollars with stunning new ideas, and dealing with climate change at the same time.

This has to be better than the do-nothing, heads-in-the-sand approach of the extreme right wing in the US and Australia.

Here's one idea I absolutely love - replacing street lighting with a fluourescent gel that 'paints' roads and cycle lanes. This could save the UK $967 million per year - will we see the GOP pushing the same idea? I am guessing not.


BBC - Autos - In the Netherlands luminous lines guide drivers

What a jackass.............is this not the most naïve dumb fuck on the whole message board?

Fruit..........innovation doesn't happen in any industry when the government doesn't get out of the way. The US government is far too vested in the special interests of the green energy business to allow for any innovation in more reliable and less costly energy. And the GOP by the way is complicit in this shit as well.........all of the congress are a bunch of fucking frauds.

 

[Saigon]

S.J.

Yes, it is private enterprise. Something that apparently exists in Holland, but less so in the US.

Thanks to the Democrats.

You really have to bring partisan politics into everything, don't you? Every single thread, every single topic for you is about 'my team = good, your team = bad'?

Honestly, what a child you are.

 

[S.J.]

S.J.

Yes, it is private enterprise. Something that apparently exists in Holland, but less so in the US.

Thanks to the Democrats.

You really have to bring partisan politics into everything, don't you? Every single thread, every single topic for you is about 'my team = good, your team = bad'?

Honestly, what a child you are.

Yeah, where am I wrong, fucker? And where do you get off criticizing me when every single thread, every single topic for you is about bashing the United States and conservatives? Read your own OP, you two faced little weasel.

 

[Saigon]

Yeah, where am I wrong, fucker? And where do you get off criticizing me when every single thread, every single topic for you is about bashing the United States and conservatives? Read your own OP, you two faced little weasel.

You are wrong - obviously - for blaming the Democrats for the failure of climate tech firms, when you know full well that the Democrats have generally supported Climate Tech more more than the Luddite GOP, who still refuse to even accept that climate change is happening. Neither party have a great record on this compared to countries like Holland, Germany or South Korea, that are frankly miles ahead of you.

I am more than happy to bash the GOP and Tea Party for putting politics ahead of science, and pretending it is still 1956. It's idiotic.

 

[S.J.]

Yeah, where am I wrong, fucker? And where do you get off criticizing me when every single thread, every single topic for you is about bashing the United States and conservatives? Read your own OP, you two faced little weasel.

You are wrong - obviously - for blaming the Democrats for the failure of climate tech firms, when you know full well that the Democrats have generally supported Climate Tech more more than the Luddite GOP, who still refuse to even accept that climate change is happening. Neither party have a great record on this compared to countries like Holland, Germany or South Korea, that are frankly miles ahead of you.

I am more than happy to bash the GOP and Tea Party for putting politics ahead of science, and pretending it is still 1956. It's idiotic.

What a stupid shit you are. Nobody is stopping anybody from putting their own money at risk to come up with ways of conserving energy. If you believe in climate change, good for you, and if you want to invent something that you think is a solution, fine, put your money where your mouth is and leave me out of it.

 

[Saigon]

SJ -

And that is Exactly the thinking that holds the US back, isn't it?

I do invest in climate tech, btw.

 

[S.J.]

SJ -

And that is Exactly the thinking that holds the US back, isn't it?

I do invest in climate tech, btw.

Holds us back from what?

 

[Saigon]

Holds you back from creating jobs and earning export dollars.

So many Americans still believe climate change won't actually touch them, so they aren't reacting to the situation with any sense of ugrency. In other countries, it is exactly the conservatives who are pushing for private sector investment and entrepreneurialism. There is a sense of "clearly we need to dealwith this - is there wqy we can also develop business out of it". I don't hear that sense of conservatism business-like thinking in the posts of the Luddites here. Instead, we hear "leave ne out of it".

My climate tech shares made a 12% return last year. I call that good business.

 

[Iceweasel]

S.J.

Yes, it is private enterprise. Something that apparently exists in Holland, but less so in the US.

No private business would invest in it when they can buy political favors and rake in obscene public monies for putting on a good show.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yeah, where am I wrong, fucker? And where do you get off criticizing me when every single thread, every single topic for you is about bashing the United States and conservatives? Read your own OP, you two faced little weasel.

You are wrong - obviously - for blaming the Democrats for the failure of climate tech firms, when you know full well that the Democrats have generally supported Climate Tech more more than the Luddite GOP, who still refuse to even accept that climate change is happening. Neither party have a great record on this compared to countries like Holland, Germany or South Korea, that are frankly miles ahead of you.

I am more than happy to bash the GOP and Tea Party for putting politics ahead of science, and pretending it is still 1956. It's idiotic.

The GOP is a political organization, Einstein. And the objection is the man-made global warming dogma, the climate has always changed and always will. That isn't the issue.

You're just a bitter shit slinging creep on the internet that doesn't care about facts.

 

[Old Rocks]

The best dirty coal can do producing electricity is 6.6 cents a kilowatt. Gas, 6.1. But now we have unsubsidized wind coming in at 3.7 cents a kilowatt. And solar is down to 7.2, and still falling. Oncor, the largest utility in Texas has already laid out plans to install 5000 megawatts of grid scale batteries in it's grid. That will make solar and wind 24/7.

The technology for clean energy is already here, and starting to be installed. As with the Tesla, there will be people that actively oppose it, but economics will force the closure of the coal fired plants, and, in a decade or so, even the gas plants.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yeah, where am I wrong, fucker? And where do you get off criticizing me when every single thread, every single topic for you is about bashing the United States and conservatives? Read your own OP, you two faced little weasel.

You are wrong - obviously - for blaming the Democrats for the failure of climate tech firms, when you know full well that the Democrats have generally supported Climate Tech more more than the Luddite GOP, who still refuse to even accept that climate change is happening. Neither party have a great record on this compared to countries like Holland, Germany or South Korea, that are frankly miles ahead of you.

I am more than happy to bash the GOP and Tea Party for putting politics ahead of science, and pretending it is still 1956. It's idiotic.

The GOP is a political organization, Einstein. And the objection is the man-made global warming dogma, the climate has always changed and always will. That isn't the issue.

You're just a bitter shit slinging creep on the internet that doesn't care about facts.

Fellow, you have yet to present any facts. Real facts from real scientists;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

TheOther Greenhouse Gases. Theories are discussed in the essay on Simple Models of Climate.)

To get an overview, start with Summary: the Story in a Nutshell and then come back here.

Subsections: Greenhouse Speculations: Arrhenius and Chamberlin - Skepticism (1900-1940s) -Callendar’s Advocacy - The Theory Restored (1950-1958) - Keeling’s Curve - Carbon Dioxide: Key to Climate Change? (1960s-1970s) - Evidence from the Ice - Time Lags and Feedbacks (1990s) - The Computer Models Vindicated (1990s-2000s) - Prospects for the 21st Century

 

[Iceweasel]

Fellow, you have yet to present any facts. Real facts from real scientists;

LOL, you stupid condescending smarmy asshole. Try your toddler head games elsewhere. Not all scientists are on board so fuck you with your "real" scientist bullshit. The US has been adopting cleaner energy as technology increases, no one opposes it except in the mind of smear mongers like you.

The question remains what more we could do about it IF it were a man made problem. Handing out public money like there's no tomorrow only appeals to socialist fuck sticks that can never have too much government control over us.

 

[Old Rocks]

OK, you can talk like an adolescent. So can I, learned it in sawmills, construction sites, and steel mills. However, that is a pretty poor debate style, and won't win you any points.

If you are so damned worried about government control, go live in a cave. In the meantime, those of us in touch with reality know that technology needs controls in order to prevent our atmosphere from looking like that of Bejing.

And it is a manmade problem.

 

[Old Rocks]

SJ -

And that is Exactly the thinking that holds the US back, isn't it?

I do invest in climate tech, btw.

Holds us back from what?

Being the primary exporter of high tech technology to produce clean energy. At present, China holds that position.