Is the US losing the Climate Tech war?

[Iceweasel]

OK, you can talk like an adolescent. So can I, learned it in sawmills, construction sites, and steel mills. However, that is a pretty poor debate style, and won't win you any points.

If you are so damned worried about government control, go live in a cave. In the meantime, those of us in touch with reality know that technology needs controls in order to prevent our atmosphere from looking like that of Bejing.

And it is a manmade problem.

I don't let assholes talk down to me and get away with it. YOU'RE the adolescent for trying, grow up dude and practice what you preach.

And since the "debate" flew over your lofty head, no one is opposed to abandoning any environmental law or government except for a few anarchists. The debate is how much is too much. Your side says any opposition to any control put forward is an anathema to mankind. Your attitude proves it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hell, there is no direction but down when speaking to people like you. Your grasp of science is less than basic, and your political philosophy is neanderthal.

 

[Iceweasel]

Hell, there is no direction but down when speaking to people like you. Your grasp of science is less than basic, and your political philosophy is neanderthal.

...and you proved me right. We didn't discuss ANY science, we were talking about your smug condescending attitude. Is that what "real" scientists are like? Only in your hate filled intolerant bubble.

 

[S.J.]

Hell, there is no direction but down when speaking to people like you. Your grasp of science is less than basic, and your political philosophy is neanderthal.

Here we go again with the default position from the left when you run out of argument. "You're just not smart enough to understand".

 

[Iceweasel]

Hell, there is no direction but down when speaking to people like you. Your grasp of science is less than basic, and your political philosophy is neanderthal.

Here we go again with the default position from the left when you run out of argument. "You're just not smart enough to understand".

Just like clockwork.

 

[mamooth]

You may be smart enough to understand. The problem is you're so intent on not understanding. Understanding would get you purged from your political cult, hence why you expend so much effort on getting everything wrong.

Now, would you like to discuss issues, or do you prefer to keep whining about how the liberals are so meeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaan to you? The nerve of them, expecting you to have evidence to back up your conspiracy theories.

 

[S.J.]

You may be smart enough to understand. The problem is you're so intent on not understanding. Understanding would get you purged from your political cult, hence why you expend so much effort on getting everything wrong.

Now, would you like to discuss issues, or do you prefer to keep whining about how the liberals are so meeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaan to you?

Oh, we understand, alright. We understand you think you can run a scam on the entire world to ram your socialist agenda down our throats through fear by advancing a ridiculous notion that capitalism is destroying the planet. If only it wasn't for us "stupid people" who keep debunking your theory.

 

[Pop23]

For the past 10 years or so, dozens of small businesses across Europe and Asia have focused on finding new niches for energy-saving products and services.

This, after all, is what any capitalist entrepreneur would do, and what any genuine conservative politician would support. So we see countries like Holland, Spain and Germany creating jobs and earning export dollars with stunning new ideas, and dealing with climate change at the same time.

This has to be better than the do-nothing, heads-in-the-sand approach of the extreme right wing in the US and Australia.

Here's one idea I absolutely love - replacing street lighting with a fluourescent gel that 'paints' roads and cycle lanes. This could save the UK $967 million per year - will we see the GOP pushing the same idea? I am guessing not.


BBC - Autos - In the Netherlands luminous lines guide drivers

Heres a better idea, produce enough clean energy to power our needs well into the future. Hell, China's leaving us behind for god sakes.

China Wants Nuclear Reactors and Lots of Them - Businessweek

 

[Iceweasel]

You may be smart enough to understand. The problem is you're so intent on not understanding. Understanding would get you purged from your political cult, hence why you expend so much effort on getting everything wrong.

Now, would you like to discuss issues, or do you prefer to keep whining about how the liberals are so meeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaan to you? The nerve of them, expecting you to have evidence to back up your conspiracy theories.

You got it bass akwards there Slick. The Warmers are the ones producing the hot air. Their evidence is that all "credible" scientists agree with them and the sky is falling. And we don't have much time. And we need government control over business to tweak the weather.

Those are political/religious views, not scientific.

 

[mamooth]

Oh, we understand, alright. We understand you think you can run a scam on the entire world to ram your socialist agenda down our throats through fear by advancing a ridiculous notion that capitalism is destroying the planet.

You got it bass akwards there Slick. The Warmers are the ones producing the hot air. Their evidence is that all "credible" scientists agree with them and the sky is falling. And we don't have much time. And we need government control over business to tweak the weather

Yes, yes, we get it. You two are proud conspiracy cult loons. No need to keep advertising it. Get a grip, will ya?

Out of these two competing theories, which does Occam's razor say is more likely?

1. A vast secret global conspiracy is plotting to keep you down.

2. You screwed up.

Free clue: Those _not_ consumed with paranoia and narcissism will pick option #2.

 

[S.J.]

Oh, we understand, alright. We understand you think you can run a scam on the entire world to ram your socialist agenda down our throats through fear by advancing a ridiculous notion that capitalism is destroying the planet.

You got it bass akwards there Slick. The Warmers are the ones producing the hot air. Their evidence is that all "credible" scientists agree with them and the sky is falling. And we don't have much time. And we need government control over business to tweak the weather

Yes, yes, we get it. You two are proud conspiracy cult loons. No need to keep advertising it. Get a grip, will ya?

Out of these two competing theories, which does Occam's razor say is more likely?

1. A vast secret global conspiracy is plotting to keep you down.

2. You screwed up.

Free clue: Those _not_ consumed with paranoia and narcissism will pick option #2.

You're the conspiracy theorist, and cult member, and alarmist, etc.....

 

[westwall]

Yeah, where am I wrong, fucker? And where do you get off criticizing me when every single thread, every single topic for you is about bashing the United States and conservatives? Read your own OP, you two faced little weasel.

You are wrong - obviously - for blaming the Democrats for the failure of climate tech firms, when you know full well that the Democrats have generally supported Climate Tech more more than the Luddite GOP, who still refuse to even accept that climate change is happening. Neither party have a great record on this compared to countries like Holland, Germany or South Korea, that are frankly miles ahead of you.

I am more than happy to bash the GOP and Tea Party for putting politics ahead of science, and pretending it is still 1956. It's idiotic.

I don't blame the Dems for the failure of the tech firms they funded. I blame them for squandering money on pet projects that help their friends and family, that were already shown to be failing. Solyndra was dead except for the official notification. Then the family of Pelosi whined and she engineered a 500 million dollar bailout for her family and friends. That's what I blame them for.

 

[Spare_change]

You inadvertently swirved into the truth, Saigon, at least on the "saving energy" issue.

"replacing street lighting with a fluourescent gel that 'paints' roads and cycle lanes." That's not a bad idea, and where did it come from? An individual thought of it, right? Why not start a business doing that, and offer your services to the city? That's the American way, private enterprise. Where there's a need, there will be someone willing to take the risks of business to make a good profit. And unlike the government, they will find a way to do it efficiently, to maximize their profits. After all, it's THEIR money at risk. When government engages in business, they lose money and don't care because it's not their money, and the taxpayers are the ones who get screwed.

I think you've missed the boat -

Private enterprise in the US has been into energy conservation for 20 years. Whether it is more efficient refrigerators or plasma TVS or cars with better MPG, there has been a push to increase sales share through energy savings.

As always, only private enterprise can solve the issues of the day. Unfortunately, we have a government who is insistent on stifling innovation through needless regulation, reporting, and taxation.

 

[Iceweasel]

Oh, we understand, alright. We understand you think you can run a scam on the entire world to ram your socialist agenda down our throats through fear by advancing a ridiculous notion that capitalism is destroying the planet.

You got it bass akwards there Slick. The Warmers are the ones producing the hot air. Their evidence is that all "credible" scientists agree with them and the sky is falling. And we don't have much time. And we need government control over business to tweak the weather

Yes, yes, we get it. You two are proud conspiracy cult loons. No need to keep advertising it. Get a grip, will ya?

Out of these two competing theories, which does Occam's razor say is more likely?

1. A vast secret global conspiracy is plotting to keep you down.

2. You screwed up.

Free clue: Those _not_ consumed with paranoia and narcissism will pick option #2.

You got it bass ackwards. Don't tell me I'm paranoid when you are the ones running around trying to whip up hysteria. You stupid fool.

 

[Iceweasel]

These idiots are so full of themselves, they run around pointing fingers, hurling accusations, shout about the sky is falling and then declare any skepticism is crazy or paranoid. LOL, that's exactly how cults operate. That's how you get weak willed people to gulp the Koolaid.
Let us know when you have scientific FACTS, not conclusions based on opinions backed up with assertions and supported with condescending insults.

 

[Old Rocks]

A globally coherent fingerprint of climate change impacts across natural systems Abstract Nature
Nature 421, 37-42 (2 January 2003) | doi:10.1038/nature01286; Received 5 March 2002; Accepted 22 October 2002



A globally coherent fingerprint of climate change impacts across natural systems
Camille Parmesan1 & Gary Yohe2

1. Integrative Biology, Patterson Laboratories 141, University of Texas, Austin, Texas 78712, USA
2. John E. Andrus Professor of Economics, Wesleyan University, 238 Public Affairs Center, Middletown, Connecticut 06459, USA

Correspondence to: Camille Parmesan1 Correspondence and requests for materials should be addressed to C.P. (e-mail: Email: [email protected]).



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Abstract
Causal attribution of recent biological trends to climate change is complicated because non-climatic influences dominate local, short-term biological changes. Any underlying signal from climate change is likely to be revealed by analyses that seek systematic trends across diverse species and geographic regions; however, debates within the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reveal several definitions of a 'systematic trend'. Here, we explore these differences, apply diverse analyses to more than 1,700 species, and show that recent biological trends match climate change predictions. Global meta-analyses documented significant range shifts averaging 6.1 km per decade towards the poles (or metres per decade upward), and significant mean advancement of spring events by 2.3 days per decade. We define a diagnostic fingerprint of temporal and spatial 'sign-switching' responses uniquely predicted by twentieth century climate trends. Among appropriate long-term/large-scale/multi-species data sets, this diagnostic fingerprint was found for 279 species. This suite of analyses generates 'very high confidence' (as laid down by the IPCC) that climate change is already affecting living systems.

What the evidence says.

 

[Old Rocks]

Reconstructed Northern Hemisphere annual temperature since 1671 based on high-latitude tree-ring data from North America - Springer

Climatic Change
February 1989, Volume 14, Issue 1, pp 39-59
Reconstructed Northern Hemisphere annual temperature since 1671 based on high-latitude tree-ring data from North America

• 
  
  
  • Gordon C. Jacoby Jr.,
  • Rosanne D'Arrigo

Abstract
Annual Northern Hemisphere surface temperature departures for the past 300 yr were reconstructed using eleven tree-ring chronologies from high-latitude, boreal sites in Canada and Alaska, spanning over 90 degrees of longitude. This geographic coverage is believed to be adequate for a useful representation of hemispheric-scale temperature trends, as high northern latitudes are particularly sensitive to climatic change. We also present a reconstruction of Arctic annual temperatures. The reconstructions show a partial amelioration of the Little Ice Age after the early 1700's, an abrupt, severe renewal of cold in the early 1800's and a prolonged wanning since approximately 1840. These trends are supported by other proxy data. Similarities and differences between our Northern Hemisphere reconstruction and other large-scale proxy temperature records depend on such factors as the data sources, methods, and degree of spatial representation. Analyses of additional temperature records, as they become available, are needed to determine the degree to which each series represents fluctuations for the entire hemisphere. There appear to be relationships between trends observed in our Northern Hemisphere reconstruction and certain climatic forcing functions, including solar fluctuations, volcanic activity and atmospheric CO2. In particular, our reconstruction supports the hypothesis that the global warming trend over the past century of increasing atmospheric CO2 has exceeded the recent level of natural variability of the climate system.

More evidence.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A globally coherent fingerprint of climate change impacts across natural systems Abstract Nature
Nature 421, 37-42 (2 January 2003) | doi:10.1038/nature01286; Received 5 March 2002; Accepted 22 October 2002



A globally coherent fingerprint of climate change impacts across natural systems
Camille Parmesan1 & Gary Yohe2

1. Integrative Biology, Patterson Laboratories 141, University of Texas, Austin, Texas 78712, USA
2. John E. Andrus Professor of Economics, Wesleyan University, 238 Public Affairs Center, Middletown, Connecticut 06459, USA

Correspondence to: Camille Parmesan1 Correspondence and requests for materials should be addressed to C.P. (e-mail: Email: [email protected]).



Topof page
Abstract
Causal attribution of recent biological trends to climate change is complicated because non-climatic influences dominate local, short-term biological changes. Any underlying signal from climate change is likely to be revealed by analyses that seek systematic trends across diverse species and geographic regions; however, debates within the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reveal several definitions of a 'systematic trend'. Here, we explore these differences, apply diverse analyses to more than 1,700 species, and show that recent biological trends match climate change predictions. Global meta-analyses documented significant range shifts averaging 6.1 km per decade towards the poles (or metres per decade upward), and significant mean advancement of spring events by 2.3 days per decade. We define a diagnostic fingerprint of temporal and spatial 'sign-switching' responses uniquely predicted by twentieth century climate trends. Among appropriate long-term/large-scale/multi-species data sets, this diagnostic fingerprint was found for 279 species. This suite of analyses generates 'very high confidence' (as laid down by the IPCC) that climate change is already affecting living systems.

What the evidence says.

IPCC is the home for EnviroMarxism, first thing the next President needs to do is cut all their funding

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore..."

- See more at: UN IPCC Official Admits We Redistribute World s Wealth By Climate Policy

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reconstructed Northern Hemisphere annual temperature since 1671 based on high-latitude tree-ring data from North America - Springer

Climatic Change
February 1989, Volume 14, Issue 1, pp 39-59
Reconstructed Northern Hemisphere annual temperature since 1671 based on high-latitude tree-ring data from North America

• 
  
  
  • Gordon C. Jacoby Jr.,
  • Rosanne D'Arrigo

Abstract
Annual Northern Hemisphere surface temperature departures for the past 300 yr were reconstructed using eleven tree-ring chronologies from high-latitude, boreal sites in Canada and Alaska, spanning over 90 degrees of longitude. This geographic coverage is believed to be adequate for a useful representation of hemispheric-scale temperature trends, as high northern latitudes are particularly sensitive to climatic change. We also present a reconstruction of Arctic annual temperatures. The reconstructions show a partial amelioration of the Little Ice Age after the early 1700's, an abrupt, severe renewal of cold in the early 1800's and a prolonged wanning since approximately 1840. These trends are supported by other proxy data. Similarities and differences between our Northern Hemisphere reconstruction and other large-scale proxy temperature records depend on such factors as the data sources, methods, and degree of spatial representation. Analyses of additional temperature records, as they become available, are needed to determine the degree to which each series represents fluctuations for the entire hemisphere. There appear to be relationships between trends observed in our Northern Hemisphere reconstruction and certain climatic forcing functions, including solar fluctuations, volcanic activity and atmospheric CO2. In particular, our reconstruction supports the hypothesis that the global warming trend over the past century of increasing atmospheric CO2 has exceeded the recent level of natural variability of the climate system.

More evidence.

Tree rings?

Totally discredited, but keep banging Mann's drum

 

[Old Rocks]

A very good development, data sets available to students for research.

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THE WCRP CMIP3 Multimodel Dataset: A New Era in Climate Change Research
Gerald A.Meehl
National Center for Atmospheric Research, *Boulder, Colorado

CurtCovey and Karl E.Taylor
Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison, Livermore, California

ThomasDelworth and Ronald J.Stouffer
Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, Princeton, New Jersey

MojibLatif
Leibniz-Institut fuer Meereswissenschaften, Kiel, Germany

BryantMcAvaney
Bureau of Meteorology, Research Centre, Melbourne, Australia

John F. B.Mitchell
Hadley Centre, Exeter, United Kingdom





Abstract
A coordinated set of global coupled climate model [atmosphere–ocean general circulation model (AOGCM)] experiments for twentieth- and twenty-first-century climate, as well as several climate change commitment and other experiments, was run by 16 modeling groups from 11 countries with 23 models for assessment in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4). Since the assessment was completed, output from another model has been added to the dataset, so the participation is now 17 groups from 12 countries with 24 models. This effort, as well as the subsequent analysis phase, was organized by the World Climate Research Programme (WCRP) Climate Variability and Predictability (CLIVAR) Working Group on Coupled Models (WGCM) Climate Simulation Panel, and constitutes the third phase of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP3). The dataset is called the WCRP CMIP3 multimodel dataset, and represents the largest and most comprehensive international global coupled climate model experiment and multimodel analysis effort ever attempted. As of March 2007, the Program for Climate Model Diagnostics and Intercomparison (PCMDI) has collected, archived, and served roughly 32 TB of model data. With oversight from the panel, the multimodel data were made openly available from PCMDI for analysis and academic applications. Over 171 TB of data had been downloaded among the more than 1000 registered users to date. Over 200 journal articles, based in part on the dataset, have been published so far. Though initially aimed at the IPCC AR4, this unique and valuable resource will continue to be maintained for at least the next several years. Never before has such an extensive set of climate model simulations been made available to the international climate science community for study. The ready access to the multimodel dataset opens up these types of model analyses to researchers, including students, who previously could not obtain state-of-the-art climate model output, and thus represents a new era in climate change research. As a direct consequence, these ongoing studies are increasing the body of knowledge regarding our understanding of how the climate system currently works, and how it may change in the future.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

models, tree rings, altered data, redistribute wealth and not one single lab experiment, that's AGWCult "Science"