Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[kaz]

where did Bush do that?

the law at the time said US businesses couldn’t do business with Cuba. Bush didn’t make the law.

Yes Trump put sanctions back on Cuba after they backed the oppressive dictator of Venezuela

And properly so. That is the proper response to a nation that is an oppressive monster to it's own people
and tries to aid another dictator/butcher, Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela spread socialist misery to other nations.

Actually what Chavez did with Petro Caribe was pretty smart.

Face facts, Socialism destroyed Venezuela... it's a cancer that's never worked....and never will.
A failed economic platform

We are Venezuela without the ability to just print money and that isn't going to last forever.

What are you talking about? We are just printing trillions in money. Your party is printing trillions. Why do you think inflation is getting out of control?

It depends what you mean by fail.

It's a fail to anyone with integrity.

It's working with the majority of Americans

 

[LeftofLeft]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

What Trade did the US stop with Cuba aside from its own? Communist Cuba had every opportunity to trade with every nation besides the US.

Cuba…… another Communist failure. VIVA CAPITALISMO!

This continues to be the motto of you crazed statists. Then you claim the embargo had no effect on impoverishing Cubans, but communism did…lol…if it had no effect why do it?

Secondly, who do you think they could trade with in 1960s and 1970s, when much of the first world was still recovering economically from WWII. THINK! In the much of those early decades of the embargo the US was the world’s manufacturer. THINK! DON’T EMOTE.

Thirdly, do you not know the US pressured nations not to trade with Cuba?

What has Cuba been doing the last 20 and 40 years? Empirically, what were the validated effects of the US to pressure (“lobby”) other nations not to trade with Cuba? If so, how and why was this successful yet the US couldn’t get many of those same nations not to trade with with Saddam Hussein?

 

[kaz]

The media is doing it's best to place a flaming bag of dog doo on Trump's doorstep when it
comes to Cuba.

As usual it's a fail.

Trump threatened the Marriott in Havana and demanded that it close down as soon as he took office.

Your point? You wanted to keep propping up the Cuban government?

Hey, I haven't seen you since you ran off to write down a list of the issues you agreed with Republicans on that made you a Republican for 35 years. Is the list done yet? How did it go?

 

[surada]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

What Trade did the US stop with Cuba aside from its own? Communist Cuba had every opportunity to trade with every nation besides the US.

Cuba…… another Communist failure. VIVA CAPITALISMO!

This continues to be the motto of you crazed statists. Then you claim the embargo had no effect on impoverishing Cubans, but communism did…lol…if it had no effect why do it?

Secondly, who do you think they could trade with in 1960s and 1970s, when much of the first world was still recovering economically from WWII. THINK! In the much of those early decades of the embargo the US was the world’s manufacturer. THINK! DON’T EMOTE.

Thirdly, do you not know the US pressured nations not to trade with Cuba?

What has Cuba been doing the last 20 and 40 years? Empirically, what were the validated effects of the US to pressure (“lobby”) other nations not to trade with Cuba? If so, how and why was this successful yet the US couldn’t get many of those same nations not to trade with with Saddam Hussein?

Maybe it has something to do with the Jones Act.

 

[Votto]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

The U.S. does not stop the rest of the world from trading with Cuba, so that excuse doesn't wash.

Cuba made a calculated decision to side with the former USSR for political power against the US, so why not just take their medicine like they asked for?

They simply chose a failing ideology to side with and subsequent failing economy.

Wrong again. You’re wrong a lot.

When Castro came to power he tried to have a good relationship with the US. The US said fuck off, we love our big corporations and oil companies raping your land and controlling your people. Hence, he had no choice but to seek help from the USSR.

We’ve seen this picture before…Ho Chi Minh tried the same thing with the US, but got the same response.

Assuming you are right, Castro sold his soul to the USSR instead?

Are you saying Cuba could not survive without selling its soul to either?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

where did Bush do that?

the law at the time said US businesses couldn’t do business with Cuba. Bush didn’t make the law.

Yes Trump put sanctions back on Cuba after they backed the oppressive dictator of Venezuela

And properly so. That is the proper response to a nation that is an oppressive monster to it's own people
and tries to aid another dictator/butcher, Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela spread socialist misery to other nations.

You have to snicker at people who moan about the poor people of Cuba while advocating the same shit here in the US.

All I can do is smh

Who supports cutting people off from the things they need?

See Venezuela and how Socialism supplies the people's needs.

Good grief

If we couldn't have just printed, printed, printed, tell me how our needs would have been met after crashing the economy? What happens to GM if we couldn't print billions to give them?

You're still blabbering and a thumbs down won't change it

Didn't change a thing, Nincompoop. Do it again you're off to ignore, child

 

[pknopp]

where did Bush do that?

the law at the time said US businesses couldn’t do business with Cuba. Bush didn’t make the law.

Yes Trump put sanctions back on Cuba after they backed the oppressive dictator of Venezuela

And properly so. That is the proper response to a nation that is an oppressive monster to it's own people
and tries to aid another dictator/butcher, Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela spread socialist misery to other nations.

You have to snicker at people who moan about the poor people of Cuba while advocating the same shit here in the US.

All I can do is smh

Who supports cutting people off from the things they need?

See Venezuela and how Socialism supplies the people's needs.

Good grief

If we couldn't have just printed, printed, printed, tell me how our needs would have been met after crashing the economy? What happens to GM if we couldn't print billions to give them?

they file for bankruptcy…like they did even after Obama and Xiden gave them billions…talk about a major f up

No idea who you are talking about.

taxpayers still gave them billions........or what we call Capitalism.

you weren’t talking about the auto bailout?

i am not sure what you are talking about.

Bank, auto, farmers, etc etc etc. If Venezuela could just print, print, print they would be fine also.

We can now but that isn't going to last.

 

[basquebromance]

much evil has been done in the name of "socialism"

 

[surada]

The media is doing it's best to place a flaming bag of dog doo on Trump's doorstep when it
comes to Cuba.

As usual it's a fail.

Trump threatened the Marriott in Havana and demanded that it close down as soon as he took office.

Your point? You wanted to keep propping up the Cuban government?

Hey, I haven't seen you since you ran off to write down a list of the issues you agreed with Republicans on that made you a Republican for 35 years. Is the list done yet? How did it go?

Marriott hotels were propping up the Cuban government? I was very pleased when Obama lifted sanctions and decided to normalize relations.

What list? I don't take orders from you, asshole.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

where did Bush do that?

the law at the time said US businesses couldn’t do business with Cuba. Bush didn’t make the law.

Yes Trump put sanctions back on Cuba after they backed the oppressive dictator of Venezuela

And properly so. That is the proper response to a nation that is an oppressive monster to it's own people
and tries to aid another dictator/butcher, Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela spread socialist misery to other nations.

You have to snicker at people who moan about the poor people of Cuba while advocating the same shit here in the US.

All I can do is smh

Who supports cutting people off from the things they need?

See Venezuela and how Socialism supplies the people's needs.

Good grief

If we couldn't have just printed, printed, printed, tell me how our needs would have been met after crashing the economy? What happens to GM if we couldn't print billions to give them?

You're still blabbering and a thumbs down won't change it

Didn't change a thing, Nincompoop. Do it again you're off to ignore, child

You're an ignored punk bitch, Nincompoop.

Great way to get your message across-the-board.....not

 

[Votto]

much evil has been done in the name of "socialism"

But only because of capitalism and Orange man

At least that is what children are learning in public schools now.

 

[Rigby5]

where did Bush do that?

the law at the time said US businesses couldn’t do business with Cuba. Bush didn’t make the law.

Yes Trump put sanctions back on Cuba after they backed the oppressive dictator of Venezuela

And properly so. That is the proper response to a nation that is an oppressive monster to it's own people
and tries to aid another dictator/butcher, Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela spread socialist misery to other nations.

Actually what Chavez did with Petro Caribe was pretty smart.

Face facts, Socialism destroyed Venezuela... it's a cancer that's never worked....and never will.
A failed economic platform

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

 

[pknopp]

much evil has been done in the name of "socialism"

But only because of capitalism and Orange man

At least that is what children are learning in public schools now.

Where in Capitalism do we find the chapter where the government prints billions at the taxpayers expense to give to private business?

 

[Rigby5]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

What Trade did the US stop with Cuba aside from its own? Communist Cuba had every opportunity to trade with every nation besides the US.

Cuba…… another Communist failure. VIVA CAPITALISMO!

This continues to be the motto of you crazed statists. Then you claim the embargo had no effect on impoverishing Cubans, but communism did…lol…if it had no effect why do it?

Secondly, who do you think they could trade with in 1960s and 1970s, when much of the first world was still recovering economically from WWII. THINK! In the much of those early decades of the embargo the US was the world’s manufacturer. THINK! DON’T EMOTE.

Thirdly, do you not know the US pressured nations not to trade with Cuba?

What has Cuba been doing the last 20 and 40 years? Empirically, what were the validated effects of the US to pressure (“lobby”) other nations not to trade with Cuba? If so, how and why was this successful yet the US couldn’t get many of those same nations not to trade with with Saddam Hussein?

Wrong.
The US totally controls the local natural trade partners of Cuba and completely cut them off.
Saddam not only was 5000 miles away, but near strong European, Mideast, Asian, and African nations the US does not and can not control.
But it was also totally wrong and illegal to try to prevent trade with Iraq, and yet the US was mostly successful.
Iraqis were starving by the time we illegally invaded.

 

[kaz]

The media is doing it's best to place a flaming bag of dog doo on Trump's doorstep when it
comes to Cuba.

As usual it's a fail.

Trump threatened the Marriott in Havana and demanded that it close down as soon as he took office.

Your point? You wanted to keep propping up the Cuban government?

Hey, I haven't seen you since you ran off to write down a list of the issues you agreed with Republicans on that made you a Republican for 35 years. Is the list done yet? How did it go?

Marriott hotels were propping up the Cuban government? I was very pleased when Obama lifted sanctions and decided to normalize relations.

What list? I don't take orders from you, asshole.

My God, you don't know what governments need money? I hope you're hot, you're not making a living other than on your back.

And exactly, you were a Republican for 35 years, and you can't come up with a single reason why. If you were not lying, it would be the easiest question in the world since you CLAIM YOU WERE ONE FOR 35 YEARS. Hello.

It's the question that you liars who claim you are former Republicans and then you switched to hard core leftists always fall flat on your face on.

I don't know why you lie about being a former Republican. No conservative says wow, a left wing moonbat switched from Republican to Democrat, count me in!

But endless Democrats do it. So I guess it makes sense in your warped head, bitch

 

[Votto]

much evil has been done in the name of "socialism"

But only because of capitalism and Orange man

At least that is what children are learning in public schools now.

Where in Capitalism do we find the chapter where the government prints billions at the taxpayers expense to give to private business?

It doesn't.

In case you had not noticed, corporations are in the back pocket of the DNC. They give all their money to BLM and censor conservatives.

And all the big wig elites like Gates and Soros are all rabid Lefties.

Funny that.

Corporations are government creations and even though they are privately owned, government pulls their strings behind the curtain.

 

[Rigby5]

The media is doing it's best to place a flaming bag of dog doo on Trump's doorstep when it
comes to Cuba.

As usual it's a fail.

Trump threatened the Marriott in Havana and demanded that it close down as soon as he took office.

Your point? You wanted to keep propping up the Cuban government?

Hey, I haven't seen you since you ran off to write down a list of the issues you agreed with Republicans on that made you a Republican for 35 years. Is the list done yet? How did it go?

It is total illegal extortion for the US government to threaten any private enterprise that is not involve in criminal acts.
The Marriott has the legal right to do business in any country it wants.
Threatening Marriot is a crime.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

The U.S. does not stop the rest of the world from trading with Cuba, so that excuse doesn't wash.

Cuba made a calculated decision to side with the former USSR for political power against the US, so why not just take their medicine like they asked for?

They simply chose a failing ideology to side with and subsequent failing economy.

Wrong again. You’re wrong a lot.

When Castro came to power he tried to have a good relationship with the US. The US said fuck off, we love our big corporations and oil companies raping your land and controlling your people. Hence, he had no choice but to seek help from the USSR.

We’ve seen this picture before…Ho Chi Minh tried the same thing with the US, but got the same response.

Assuming you are right, Castro sold his soul to the USSR instead?

Are you saying Cuba could not survive without selling its soul to either?

Yes, all countries have been forced to choose which of the large and powerful nations they want to align with in order to prevent being destroyed by one of them, if they don'[t have a protector.
Cuba was in particular bad shape because Batista had managed to steal the entire national treasury, so was totally broke.

 

[Rigby5]

much evil has been done in the name of "socialism"

But capitalist things like Stalin building vacation dachas on the Black Sea is not socialism at all, but only done in the name of socialism.

 

[kaz]

The media is doing it's best to place a flaming bag of dog doo on Trump's doorstep when it
comes to Cuba.

As usual it's a fail.

Trump threatened the Marriott in Havana and demanded that it close down as soon as he took office.

Your point? You wanted to keep propping up the Cuban government?

Hey, I haven't seen you since you ran off to write down a list of the issues you agreed with Republicans on that made you a Republican for 35 years. Is the list done yet? How did it go?

It is total illegal extortion for the US government to threaten any private enterprise that is not involve in criminal acts.
The Marriott has the legal right to do business in any country it wants.
Threatening Marriot is a crime.

Whether the government should have that power or not is a different discussion. One that I am open to. But I don't agree with your terms that rules apply one way to Republicans and another to Democrats.

You're making up that they don't.

For all the Federal governments abuses of power, you suddenly object to a power that they actually have.

Typical Democrat. The Constitution is a sledge hammer when you want it and toilet paper when you don't