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" I said there are both literal and figurative truths in the Bible."So what about a flood that drowned everyone regionally for 40 days? No proof for that either. And the Chinese may have known about a flood but they didn't know about Noah.I was taking the spelling from hob, so take that up with my jew.You want to criticize the Bible and can't even spell the word Ark.
The Bible is true. It's just as accurate as any source you rely on. The problem is, the Bible was limited by the number of words in the Greek and Hebrew language that could not be directly translated directly into another language.
Add to that, the Bible was written to, for, and about a specific people. The Bible only acknowledges preadamites, for example. It gives no details about them. But, science, history and the Bible all agree on their existence.
So was the Flood a worldwide flood or a myth?
Science can uncover the existence of something, I agree, but so far, no god has been discovered by science. So you either take it all or leave it all, you can't start cherry-picking science as well.
NOBODY is cherry picking stuff. Do you want to troll or have a civil conversation?
In my opinion, the flood was NOT worldwide. For one thing, the Chinese were aware of Noah; the flood overflowed the Tarim Basin and it was duly noted by Chinese historians.
Scientifically, if we presume the flood covered the entire earth - and use that to be synonymous with the planet, then the critics win. There are places where the rain would have to be six miles deep. We know that was not the case. Moses could only write about the land as he knew it. And so as far as the eye could see and far as people traveled in the time of Moses, everything was under water.
People are operating under this false assumption that the Bible was about all the men on earth; however, this is easily proven to be an error believers cannot accept. The Bible only claims to be about one people. Genesis 5 : 1 states: "This is the book of the generations of Adam." The Bible does not claim to be about the predecessors of Adam. The only relevance other people have in the Bible relative to Adam is when their paths crossed.
There are both literal and figurative truths in the Bible. The Bible, correctly interpreted, does not say that God created man in six "days" we understand the term; it does not say that that the flood covered the whole world.
The term earth comes from the Hebrew word ehrets and as used in Genesis and only means a common country, land, nations, wilderness... but never does it mean the entire planet.
So god made Adam out of nothing or was evolution involved?
You ARE cherry-picking because at some points you say "they didn't mean that" and at others you quote word for word. That, my friend, is called cherry-picking the bible.
You are not going to prevail by being dishonest. I said there are both literal and figurative truths in the Bible. And I've told you the writers were limited by the lack of knowledge - meaning they would not know that California existed, so how could they know it didn't get flooded?
The duty of a Christian is to know how to separate the figurative from the literal. It is NOT a process of cherry picking:
II Timothy 2: 14 and 15 reads:
"14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
And yes, the Chinese knew of Noah AND there are strong arguments that they knew Noah himself:
Migration to China
That's called cherry-picking. Now you know.
And if you choose to not believe certain things in the bible as being true, how can you justify believing other parts to be true? Who decides? And how? By simply saying "this is stupid and can't have happened so it's figurative, but this part sounds like something someone could have said, so we go with it"? Flip a coin?
No, that is a ridiculous argument. You don't even believe that yourself.
For example, in Matthew 7: 6 it reads:
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you"
WHY would you cast your pearls before swine? Most people recognize that this is a metaphor. Even if you didn't, a quick check on the meaning of the word swine would lead you the chaldee language to understand it better. The word "swine" is defined in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible as:
"a thicket of men, a crowd - a multitude."
Could it be that this verse of Scripture is talking about not wasting time on groups of people that will only belittle and demean you for sharing the wisdom of the Word of God? Using the Bible to interpret the Bible, there is no way a dog or a swine can "rend" you. The word rend means to divide you. Again using the Bible to interpret the Bible, we find another way to interpret rend.
"Oh that thou wouldest REND the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence. As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence!" ( Isaiah 64:1-2 )
A multitude of nonbelievers would divide those who are trying to share the Word of God with them. And isn't the point of most of these non-believer v. believer threads done for exactly that purpose? Don't you think that non-believers are trying to divide the believers? Why else have the conversation if not to try and convert the believers into doubters?
And so, it is not cherry picking as it to looking at the context of a Scripture, defining the words, and applying the correct principles.