M.D. Rawlings
Classical Liberal
I take it that you do not like
We cannot be created since consciousness is irreducible and primary - Catholic Answers Forums
So how bout
Theology and Philosophy
Go ahead, and post your "7 things" there. Please repeat the comments you made here over there!!
Yeah. Got it. And that's an orthodox Catholic or Protestant doctrine? Since when? That overthrows the ad absurdum of the irreducible mind? How could that be? The argument is predicated on human consciousness, which we already know to be finite and, therefore, divisible, reducible, something that cannot have primacy in the first place. It's a patently obvious straw man, one that actually proves the opposite of what it claims: human consciousness if finite and therefore contingent. LOL!
Just a few posts down from that, a member asks, and I paraphrase for the sake of accuracy: "So terrestrial-bound consciousness can exist without the existence of bioneurological systems?"
Answer: of course not!
By the way, did you lose sight of my question regarding the origin of the singularity out of which the Big Bang emerge? Still working on that? Need some more time to figure out how in the hell you're going to overthrow the ad absurdum of the infinite regression of origin?
Good luck with that.
But, really, what caused the singularity?
Are you under the impression that your crap evades skepticism, is above credulity, is convincing?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
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. . . unto infinity and beyond!
Understand what you are asking:
What caused the singularity?
That cannot be conclusively determined. I can only form conjectures here, and to choose any one thing out of the possibilty of something else is subjectivity. Any other words, we could label it "God" and leave open what actually is. The reason is simple, we do not know what definitively caused the Big Bang. (Note: I used as an example that some people could very well call the Big Bang the first Cause that led to the development our Universe. Under that assumption, The Big Bang is God. However, That is not what is being suggested in the question given. )
You, on the other hand, assume it has to be a sentient being. That is not being objective.
As An example, I can demonstrate how even suggesting that question shows that you're not objective. For instance, it can be assumed that that the Big Bang is neither cause 1 nor cause 2!!
What does this say about the Cause that caused the Big Bang? Apparently it is not God according to the Cosmological Argument. So why are you even asking about what that cause is if it can be assumed it is not God as well?
So 2 problems arises:
1) It is possibly irrelevant to ask the question "What cause the Big Bang?" when it is the First Cause that is being sought and what cause the Big Bang may not be the first cause. Note: This stands outside what is being described in the cosmological model for our universe, and is left to speculation.
2)Whatever is the first Cause, as argued in the Cosmological argument, may or may not be one sentient being. In other words, you have to determine what those characteristics are, not just ssume those characteristics.
You need to find characterististics of the first cause, .Which, in this case, is no longer possible in terms of natural science.
Amrchaos: "You, on the other hand, assume it has to be a sentient being. That is not being objective."
That statement is false. Objectively speaking, I assume no such thing. Objectively speaking, The Seven Things assume no such thing.
So what are you imposing on them that's not there?
Knock, knock. Anybody home?
You're not really reading or thinking about these things on their own terms, are you?I take it that you do not like
We cannot be created since consciousness is irreducible and primary - Catholic Answers Forums
So how bout
Theology and Philosophy
Go ahead, and post your "7 things" there. Please repeat the comments you made here over there!!
Yeah. Got it. And that's an orthodox Catholic or Protestant doctrine? Since when? That overthrows the ad absurdum of the irreducible mind? How could that be? The argument is predicated on human consciousness, which we already know to be finite and, therefore, divisible, reducible, something that cannot have primacy in the first place. It's a patently obvious straw man, one that actually proves the opposite of what it claims: human consciousness if finite and therefore contingent. LOL!
Just a few posts down from that, a member asks, and I paraphrase for the sake of accuracy: "So terrestrial-bound consciousness can exist without the existence of bioneurological systems?"
Answer: of course not!
By the way, did you lose sight of my question regarding the origin of the singularity out of which the Big Bang emerge? Still working on that? Need some more time to figure out how in the hell you're going to overthrow the ad absurdum of the infinite regression of origin?
Good luck with that.
But, really, what caused the singularity?
Are you under the impression that your crap evades skepticism, is above credulity, is convincing?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
But, really, what caused the singularity?
LOL!
LOL!
LOL!
LOL!
LOL!
LOL!
. . . unto infinity and beyond!
Understand what you are asking:
What caused the singularity?
That cannot be conclusively determined. I can only form conjectures here, and to choose any one thing out of the possibilty of something else is subjectivity. Any other words, we could label it "God" and leave open what actually is. The reason is simple, we do not know what definitively caused the Big Bang. (Note: I used as an example that some people could very well call the Big Bang the first Cause that led to the development our Universe. Under that assumption, The Big Bang is God. However, That is not what is being suggested in the question given. )
You, on the other hand, assume it has to be a sentient being. That is not being objective.
As An example, I can demonstrate how even suggesting that question shows that you're not objective. For instance, it can be assumed that that the Big Bang is neither cause 1 nor cause 2!!
What does this say about the Cause that caused the Big Bang? Apparently it is not God according to the Cosmological Argument. So why are you even asking about what that cause is if it can be assumed it is not God as well?
So 2 problems arises:
1) It is possibly irrelevant to ask the question "What cause the Big Bang?" when it is the First Cause that is being sought and what cause the Big Bang may not be the first cause. Note: This stands outside what is being described in the cosmological model for our universe, and is left to speculation.
2)Whatever is the first Cause, as argued in the Cosmological argument, may or may not be one sentient being. In other words, you have to determine what those characteristics are, not just ssume those characteristics.
You need to find characterististics of the first cause, .Which, in this case, is no longer possible in terms of natural science.
Amrchaos: "You, on the other hand, assume it has to be a sentient being. That is not being objective."
That statement is false. Objectively speaking, I assume no such thing. Objectively speaking, The Seven Things assume no such thing.
So what are you imposing on them that's not there?
Knock, knock. Anybody home?
You're not really reading or thinking about these things on their own terms, are you?
Question: Does the 7 things have an objective voice?
Amrchaos: ... You assume it has to be a sentient being.
The only people who assume this are Atheists. It's why they can't believe in God. They have no concept of spiritual beings. They assume God must be an invisible sentient being, which seems ridiculous to them.
hmmm, my atheism is predicated upon the Judaic description of God, in which sentients is a part of the that definition.
So, it seems you are correct. However, that is not the only problem I have with the Judaic God.
Just remember this--I can give a definition of God that neither you nor I can reject because it does exist nd observable!!. But those "Gods" are not the Judaic God. Sentients, by itself, is not the problem.
Edit: I forgot to add, and those gods are sentient!
Yeah. You called the Big Bang, a contingent event, God, which is immediately rejected as nonsense because according to your logic the singularity would have to be God, not the Big Bang. But wait a minute! The singularity can't be God, according to your logic, because the quantum vacuum would have to be God. . . .
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