Is Tom Brady the Greatest Ever?

[TheGreatGatsby]

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[TheGreatGatsby]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

They're two of the greatest system QB's of all-time. I don't believe accolades necessarily make them better than Manning, Favre, Marino, Rodgers, Young, Brees, etc.

 

[Oldstyle]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

That's sad. Joe Montana isn't even in the top 25 all time and Tom Brady isn't in the top 5 (he is in the top 10).

I always know immediately that a person doesn't know shit about football when they grade a QB on how many rings he's won. QB's don't win rings. Teams do. Championships are a measurement of teams - not individuals. Go to the NFL website you and you won't see Joe Montana listed a single time as a Super Bowl winner. You will, however, see the San Francisco 49ers listed.

The greatest QB's in order:

1. Dan Marino (it's not even close - he obliterated the NFL record books)
2. John Elway
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Troy Aikman (most pin-point accurate passer ever)

And before anyone even attempt to argue about #1 - Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history. He coached the legendary Johnny Unitas in Baltimore. He coached Earl Morrell and Bob Griese. Don Shula himself said that Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever play football and that it wasn't even close. I think he has forgotten more about football than anyone here on USMB will ever know.

I gotta tell you, Patriot...your list of the greatest quarterbacks borders on farce.

Tom Brady OWNS every post season record that there is for quarterbacks and has led the Patriots to an unprecedented number of AFC East Division titles despite playing with sub par receivers and running backs. He makes every single player around him better. To say that Joe Montana isn't in the top 25 is akin to waving a large flag above your head that reads "CLUELESS!!!!!"

 

[Oldstyle]

Ask yourself this...how many Hall of Fame receivers or running backs has Tom Brady had in the huddle with him? Randy Moss and who else? How many of his receivers or running backs made the All Pro Team? Rob Gronkowski and who else?

Bradshaw had Swan, Stallworth and Harris.
Montana had Rice, Taylor and Craig.
Kelly had Lofton, Reed and Thomas.
Aikman had Irvin, Harper and Smith.

Should I go on?

 

[Papageorgio]

Ask yourself this...how many Hall of Fame receivers or running backs has Tom Brady had in the huddle with him? Randy Moss and who else? How many of his receivers or running backs made the All Pro Team? Rob Gronkowski and who else?

Bradshaw had Swan, Stallworth and Harris.
Montana had Rice, Taylor and Craig.
Kelly had Lofton, Reed and Thomas.
Aikman had Irvin, Harper and Smith.

Should I go on?

Matt Slater are both All Pro, Welker three times.

 

[Oldstyle]

Ask yourself this...how many Hall of Fame receivers or running backs has Tom Brady had in the huddle with him? Randy Moss and who else? How many of his receivers or running backs made the All Pro Team? Rob Gronkowski and who else?

Bradshaw had Swan, Stallworth and Harris.
Montana had Rice, Taylor and Craig.
Kelly had Lofton, Reed and Thomas.
Aikman had Irvin, Harper and Smith.

Should I go on?

Matt Slater are both All Pro, Welker three times.

Slater is a special teams specialist. How does that qualify? Come on...

 

[Oldstyle]

My point is that Brady has NEVER had a trio of stars playing receiver and running back for him yet he's been able to make players that were less than stellar on other teams look like world beaters when they walked onto a field with him.

 

[Papageorgio]

Ask yourself this...how many Hall of Fame receivers or running backs has Tom Brady had in the huddle with him? Randy Moss and who else? How many of his receivers or running backs made the All Pro Team? Rob Gronkowski and who else?

Bradshaw had Swan, Stallworth and Harris.
Montana had Rice, Taylor and Craig.
Kelly had Lofton, Reed and Thomas.
Aikman had Irvin, Harper and Smith.

Should I go on?

Matt Slater are both All Pro, Welker three times.

Slater is a special teams specialist. How does that qualify? Come on...

He is listed as a WR also. I think that the coach is the genius and Brady all though one of the greatest of all time of all time.

 

[Kat]

Overall there have been, and are some great q/b's. I think we can agree on that.

 

[ChrisL]

I see a cheater that disqualifies him

The standard for me in my profession is to be honest.that is true for everyone I know. Brady should be held to that same standard.

Dude...you are NOT CAPABLE of honesty...and everyone but you realizes that.

A personal attack when you cannot argue with facts.

A personal attack? You mean like accusing someone of performing oral sex on another man? Is that the kind of personal attack you were speaking about? You're the biggest cry baby on this board! You dish it out in spades and then whine whenever anyone questions your integrity!

You are back paddling on your story of you smoking Jack Nicholson's joint, name dropping Steve Spagnoulo as your very close and personal friend who you could not recognize when I produced his photo.

I came here to discuss Brady and his vaunted reputation and record. You, as usual, stalked me and engaged me in a discussion. Just look at the posts in this thread alone you queer bastard and no I am not going on a date with you.

OldFartStyle you have some very serious issues

I've never "back pedaled" on sharing a joint with Jack Nicholson or of knowing Steve Spagnoulo when he was starting out as a coach at the University of Massachusetts. How either of those things makes me a "queer bastard" is something for you to explain! Admit it, Phallics...personal attacks are what you do when you can't argue your position!

So did you want to name a team that doesn't cheat? Or continue to make personal attacks?

Good lord, I don't know why you bother. It's sure not worth your time, effort, or aggravation. The two little pukes are delusional. That is all there is to it. Nothing you can do to change that.

 

[ChrisL]

The record that is published by the appropriate investigative agency, indeed does prove it.


Just read the record.

It says more probably than not.

This is an old argument....that standard is called "preponderance if the evidence" and a "term of art". Such standard is used in civil litigation, was agreed to by the parties in the CBA and accepted by the court who up help the suspension.

Brady in agreeing to the suspension also reaffirmed that it was the correct decision by his acquiescence.

I know it is only cheating if you get caught. Silly idea but whatever.

No facts, no argument. Anything to normalize what this joker has done.


Again, thankfully all this nonsense is "on line" where it matters not.

I think Brady knew, but I don't think it gave him an advantage. That said, I am also convinced every other team in the NFL cheats. Rice admitted he cheated, Montana said it went on. CBS Sports caught Carolina and Minnesota heating footballs. It is a standard that they all cheat and all of them have been penalized by the NFL in one way or another. So I don't hold it against Brady anymore than I hold it against Rice or any other player. Now ignore the post.

I think the whole thing is beyond silly. If a ball was deflated, that is certainly not why the Pats ever won a game. Lol. To think so is just . . . beyond ridiculous and just shows that a person knows nothing about the game.

I mean sure, I suppose the Pats could have won the game 45-7 only because of a deflated ball? See? It even sounds stupid.

 

[ChrisL]

 

[Alex.]

Liar

Investigated

Quitter

Crybaby

Your hero

Even if the low standards of his supporters are applied Brady comes out as a 6th round draft pick who had a nice run in the NFL, but can never be declared the greatest for his own self destructive behavior and undeniable habit of cheating and lying.

 

[P@triot]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

That's sad. Joe Montana isn't even in the top 25 all time and Tom Brady isn't in the top 5 (he is in the top 10).

I always know immediately that a person doesn't know shit about football when they grade a QB on how many rings he's won. QB's don't win rings. Teams do. Championships are a measurement of teams - not individuals. Go to the NFL website you and you won't see Joe Montana listed a single time as a Super Bowl winner. You will, however, see the San Francisco 49ers listed.

The greatest QB's in order:

1. Dan Marino (it's not even close - he obliterated the NFL record books)
2. John Elway
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Troy Aikman (most pin-point accurate passer ever)

And before anyone even attempt to argue about #1 - Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history. He coached the legendary Johnny Unitas in Baltimore. He coached Earl Morrell and Bob Griese. Don Shula himself said that Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever play football and that it wasn't even close. I think he has forgotten more about football than anyone here on USMB will ever know.

I gotta tell you, Patriot...your list of the greatest quarterbacks borders on farce.

Tom Brady OWNS every post season record that there is for quarterbacks and has led the Patriots to an unprecedented number of AFC East Division titles despite playing with sub par receivers and running backs. He makes every single player around him better. To say that Joe Montana isn't in the top 25 is akin to waving a large flag above your head that reads "CLUELESS!!!!!"

Again....that is all a measurement of TEAMS...not individuals. Dan Marino shattered the record book. Tom Brady couldn't even start his first three years in the league.

And dude....for the record...I'm a DIE HARD Michigan fan so I'm extremely bias towards Tom Brady. But he's no where near the best QB in NFL history. Not even close. This is as stupid as asking if Derrick Thomas is better than Lawrence Taylor. Derrick Thomas was phenomenal. Lawrence Taylor was a god. Completely different level.

 

[Papageorgio]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

That's sad. Joe Montana isn't even in the top 25 all time and Tom Brady isn't in the top 5 (he is in the top 10).

I always know immediately that a person doesn't know shit about football when they grade a QB on how many rings he's won. QB's don't win rings. Teams do. Championships are a measurement of teams - not individuals. Go to the NFL website you and you won't see Joe Montana listed a single time as a Super Bowl winner. You will, however, see the San Francisco 49ers listed.

The greatest QB's in order:

1. Dan Marino (it's not even close - he obliterated the NFL record books)
2. John Elway
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Troy Aikman (most pin-point accurate passer ever)

And before anyone even attempt to argue about #1 - Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history. He coached the legendary Johnny Unitas in Baltimore. He coached Earl Morrell and Bob Griese. Don Shula himself said that Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever play football and that it wasn't even close. I think he has forgotten more about football than anyone here on USMB will ever know.

sad that people would think a cheating fraud and liar is even in the top ten in the superbowl era yeah. only question is who is the greatest quarterback in the modern day era of the superbowl which would be between Montana,Bradshaw,and Elway,and yeah Maybe Marino. Manning is a funny choice since he panicked in the big game.lol It was the defense that won it for him in the last one.lol

Jim Kelly of the Bills would be even better than Brady,taking the team to four straight superbowls which is very impressive especially since HE had to play against a future hall of famer and one of the best QB's of all time Dan Marino AND a hall of fame coach who has the most wins Don Shula.he had to face both those guys TWICE a year to get to the superbowl. who did the tom brady face in that division? thats right,the jets,bills and dolphins,ALL teams that do not have a quarterback the last 15 years and that do not belong in the NFL they are so crappy high school teams could beat them.

"sad that people would think a cheating fraud and liar is even in the top ten in the superbowl era"

^^^
This truly embraces the spirit of this thread.

Accepting a lower stand is one thing, embracing that lower standard and romanticizing the act of cheating is another.

A poor statement on what society has become....

Obviously, the Millennials are not the generation that is screwing up society.

Sad clowns every last one of them.

Name an NFL team that doesn't cheat. Brady cheats, Montana cheats Jerry Rice cheats and yet you only recognize Brady, why is that?

 

[ChrisL]

 

[Montrovant]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

That's sad. Joe Montana isn't even in the top 25 all time and Tom Brady isn't in the top 5 (he is in the top 10).

I always know immediately that a person doesn't know shit about football when they grade a QB on how many rings he's won. QB's don't win rings. Teams do. Championships are a measurement of teams - not individuals. Go to the NFL website you and you won't see Joe Montana listed a single time as a Super Bowl winner. You will, however, see the San Francisco 49ers listed.

The greatest QB's in order:

1. Dan Marino (it's not even close - he obliterated the NFL record books)
2. John Elway
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Troy Aikman (most pin-point accurate passer ever)

And before anyone even attempt to argue about #1 - Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history. He coached the legendary Johnny Unitas in Baltimore. He coached Earl Morrell and Bob Griese. Don Shula himself said that Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever play football and that it wasn't even close. I think he has forgotten more about football than anyone here on USMB will ever know.

sad that people would think a cheating fraud and liar is even in the top ten in the superbowl era yeah. only question is who is the greatest quarterback in the modern day era of the superbowl which would be between Montana,Bradshaw,and Elway,and yeah Maybe Marino. Manning is a funny choice since he panicked in the big game.lol It was the defense that won it for him in the last one.lol

Jim Kelly of the Bills would be even better than Brady,taking the team to four straight superbowls which is very impressive especially since HE had to play against a future hall of famer and one of the best QB's of all time Dan Marino AND a hall of fame coach who has the most wins Don Shula.he had to face both those guys TWICE a year to get to the superbowl. who did the tom brady face in that division? thats right,the jets,bills and dolphins,ALL teams that do not have a quarterback the last 15 years and that do not belong in the NFL they are so crappy high school teams could beat them.

"sad that people would think a cheating fraud and liar is even in the top ten in the superbowl era"

^^^
This truly embraces the spirit of this thread.

Accepting a lower stand is one thing, embracing that lower standard and romanticizing the act of cheating is another.

A poor statement on what society has become....

Obviously, the Millennials are not the generation that is screwing up society.

Sad clowns every last one of them.

Name an NFL team that doesn't cheat. Brady cheats, Montana cheats Jerry Rice cheats and yet you only recognize Brady, why is that?

The Falcons and Browns cheat (I guess the Browns do a bad job of it lol). Atlanta Falcons lose 2016 pick for pumping fake noise
Browns GM Ray Farmer suspended 4 games for texting

And here's a list of fines levied against players in 2016 : 2016 NFL Fines & Suspenstions

Who knows how many of those will constitute cheating to Alex.

 

[ChrisL]

I think everyone needs to look at the highlights of the game in question (deflate gate) and let's evaluate how much a deflated football would have contributed to this win.

What I notice is a lot of screen passes by Brady. Lord knows, a professional QB like Brady would have never been able to throw his screen passes unless the ball was deflated (sarcasm).

The Pats won, they played a better game. End of story.

 

[Papageorgio]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

That's sad. Joe Montana isn't even in the top 25 all time and Tom Brady isn't in the top 5 (he is in the top 10).

I always know immediately that a person doesn't know shit about football when they grade a QB on how many rings he's won. QB's don't win rings. Teams do. Championships are a measurement of teams - not individuals. Go to the NFL website you and you won't see Joe Montana listed a single time as a Super Bowl winner. You will, however, see the San Francisco 49ers listed.

The greatest QB's in order:

1. Dan Marino (it's not even close - he obliterated the NFL record books)
2. John Elway
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Troy Aikman (most pin-point accurate passer ever)

And before anyone even attempt to argue about #1 - Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history. He coached the legendary Johnny Unitas in Baltimore. He coached Earl Morrell and Bob Griese. Don Shula himself said that Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever play football and that it wasn't even close. I think he has forgotten more about football than anyone here on USMB will ever know.

sad that people would think a cheating fraud and liar is even in the top ten in the superbowl era yeah. only question is who is the greatest quarterback in the modern day era of the superbowl which would be between Montana,Bradshaw,and Elway,and yeah Maybe Marino. Manning is a funny choice since he panicked in the big game.lol It was the defense that won it for him in the last one.lol

Jim Kelly of the Bills would be even better than Brady,taking the team to four straight superbowls which is very impressive especially since HE had to play against a future hall of famer and one of the best QB's of all time Dan Marino AND a hall of fame coach who has the most wins Don Shula.he had to face both those guys TWICE a year to get to the superbowl. who did the tom brady face in that division? thats right,the jets,bills and dolphins,ALL teams that do not have a quarterback the last 15 years and that do not belong in the NFL they are so crappy high school teams could beat them.

"sad that people would think a cheating fraud and liar is even in the top ten in the superbowl era"

^^^
This truly embraces the spirit of this thread.

Accepting a lower stand is one thing, embracing that lower standard and romanticizing the act of cheating is another.

A poor statement on what society has become....

Obviously, the Millennials are not the generation that is screwing up society.

Sad clowns every last one of them.

Name an NFL team that doesn't cheat. Brady cheats, Montana cheats Jerry Rice cheats and yet you only recognize Brady, why is that?

The Falcons and Browns cheat (I guess the Browns do a bad job of it lol). Atlanta Falcons lose 2016 pick for pumping fake noise
Browns GM Ray Farmer suspended 4 games for texting

And here's a list of fines levied against players in 2016 : 2016 NFL Fines & Suspenstions

Who knows how many of those will constitute cheating to Alex.

It seems to be cheating only if you get caught. These are the ultra high standards Alex is telling us. Lol!

 

[Oldstyle]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

That's sad. Joe Montana isn't even in the top 25 all time and Tom Brady isn't in the top 5 (he is in the top 10).

I always know immediately that a person doesn't know shit about football when they grade a QB on how many rings he's won. QB's don't win rings. Teams do. Championships are a measurement of teams - not individuals. Go to the NFL website you and you won't see Joe Montana listed a single time as a Super Bowl winner. You will, however, see the San Francisco 49ers listed.

The greatest QB's in order:

1. Dan Marino (it's not even close - he obliterated the NFL record books)
2. John Elway
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Troy Aikman (most pin-point accurate passer ever)

And before anyone even attempt to argue about #1 - Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history. He coached the legendary Johnny Unitas in Baltimore. He coached Earl Morrell and Bob Griese. Don Shula himself said that Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever play football and that it wasn't even close. I think he has forgotten more about football than anyone here on USMB will ever know.

I gotta tell you, Patriot...your list of the greatest quarterbacks borders on farce.

Tom Brady OWNS every post season record that there is for quarterbacks and has led the Patriots to an unprecedented number of AFC East Division titles despite playing with sub par receivers and running backs. He makes every single player around him better. To say that Joe Montana isn't in the top 25 is akin to waving a large flag above your head that reads "CLUELESS!!!!!"

Again....that is all a measurement of TEAMS...not individuals. Dan Marino shattered the record book. Tom Brady couldn't even start his first three years in the league.

And dude....for the record...I'm a DIE HARD Michigan fan so I'm extremely bias towards Tom Brady. But he's no where near the best QB in NFL history. Not even close. This is as stupid as asking if Derrick Thomas is better than Lawrence Taylor. Derrick Thomas was phenomenal. Lawrence Taylor was a god. Completely different level.

So Dan Marino is a "god"? Don't get me wrong...I think Marino was a great quarterback, Patriot but his post season stats hardly look "god like"! He played in 18 playoff games and only won 8. He threw 32 touchdown passes but also threw 24 interceptions.

Compare those stats to Tom Brady. Brady has played in 35 playoff games and won 26. He's thrown 66 TD's and only 30 interceptions.