Is Tom Brady the Greatest Ever?

[Oldstyle]

Ask yourself this...how many Hall of Fame receivers or running backs has Tom Brady had in the huddle with him? Randy Moss and who else? How many of his receivers or running backs made the All Pro Team? Rob Gronkowski and who else?

Bradshaw had Swan, Stallworth and Harris.
Montana had Rice, Taylor and Craig.
Kelly had Lofton, Reed and Thomas.
Aikman had Irvin, Harper and Smith.

Should I go on?

Matt Slater are both All Pro, Welker three times.

Slater is a special teams specialist. How does that qualify? Come on...

He is listed as a WR also. I think that the coach is the genius and Brady all though one of the greatest of all time of all time.

Did he become an All Pro as a receiver? You know he didn't...

 

[Oldstyle]

Liar

Investigated

Quitter

Crybaby

Your hero

Even if the low standards of his supporters are applied Brady comes out as a 6th round draft pick who had a nice run in the NFL, but can never be declared the greatest for his own self destructive behavior and undeniable habit of cheating and lying.

"A nice run"? The man owns every quarterback record there is! Could you be any more clueless?

Self destructive? In what way?

He's a freaking choirboy! You only hate him because he beats the living tar out of YOUR team...year...after year...after year...after year...

So did you want to provide the name of the squeaky clean NFL team that's never "cheated"? Or are you going to continue to run from that question?

 

[Papageorgio]

Ask yourself this...how many Hall of Fame receivers or running backs has Tom Brady had in the huddle with him? Randy Moss and who else? How many of his receivers or running backs made the All Pro Team? Rob Gronkowski and who else?

Bradshaw had Swan, Stallworth and Harris.
Montana had Rice, Taylor and Craig.
Kelly had Lofton, Reed and Thomas.
Aikman had Irvin, Harper and Smith.

Should I go on?

Matt Slater are both All Pro, Welker three times.

Slater is a special teams specialist. How does that qualify? Come on...

He is listed as a WR also. I think that the coach is the genius and Brady all though one of the greatest of all time of all time.

Did he become an All Pro as a receiver? You know he didn't...

I wouldn't know, I don't follow the Pats that closely to know.

 

[Oldstyle]

Ask yourself this...how many Hall of Fame receivers or running backs has Tom Brady had in the huddle with him? Randy Moss and who else? How many of his receivers or running backs made the All Pro Team? Rob Gronkowski and who else?

Bradshaw had Swan, Stallworth and Harris.
Montana had Rice, Taylor and Craig.
Kelly had Lofton, Reed and Thomas.
Aikman had Irvin, Harper and Smith.

Should I go on?

Matt Slater are both All Pro, Welker three times.

Slater is a special teams specialist. How does that qualify? Come on...

He is listed as a WR also. I think that the coach is the genius and Brady all though one of the greatest of all time of all time.

Did he become an All Pro as a receiver? You know he didn't...

I wouldn't know, I don't follow the Pats that closely to know.

Slater is the leader of the Special Teams. He's been selected to the Pro Bowl as a special teams player...not as a receiver. I can't remember the last time Slater got on the field as a receiver if he ever has. He returns some kicks and is Captain of the Patriot's Special Teams.

 

[ChrisL]

Patriots haters are a lot like liberals and their delusional Trump hatred.

 

[1stRambo]

Yo, go back in time when the quarterback was a man, and took a beating! Today, it`s a pansy game! By the way, Atlanta, the Southern Team, Will Rise Again, and Win the Super Bowl!!!

"GTP"

 

[ChrisL]

Anyways, Big Ben has a lot of respect for Brady.

Ben Roethlisberger Geeks Out Over Tom Brady, Asks For Patriots QB’s Jersey

 

[1stRambo]

Patriots haters are a lot like liberals and their delusional Trump hatred.

Yo, you`re right about the Socialist Democrat Party, and their hatred for "Real Patriots," but the South Will Rise Again, and "Atlanta" will win the Super Bowl!!!

"GTP"

 

[candycorn]

Brady is the best of his era. Montana was the best of his era. If you put Montana in Brady's era (5,000 more passes per year overall with fewer interceptions (6 TEAMS had fewer than 10!!!)), Montana would be destroying the league. On top of that, the rules that protect QBs today are ones that the US Secret Service would like to have for the President--one is colloquially known as the "Brady rule". If you put Brady in Montana's era of headhunting defensive ends, QB's getting their legs snapped in half, stick-em, and wide receivers who at least had to get touched before pass interference was called, he's not going to do so well.

 

[Montrovant]

I think everyone needs to look at the highlights of the game in question (deflate gate) and let's evaluate how much a deflated football would have contributed to this win.

What I notice is a lot of screen passes by Brady. Lord knows, a professional QB like Brady would have never been able to throw his screen passes unless the ball was deflated (sarcasm).

The Pats won, they played a better game. End of story.

I think the point is that it probably wasn't just one game in which Brady had balls deflated to an illegal level he preferred.

The level of inflation seems to be a fairly minor thing, but it is a rule. I'm certainly not going to say Brady sucks because he played with slightly under-inflated balls.

 

[Montrovant]

Brady is the best of his era. Montana was the best of his era. If you put Montana in Brady's era (5,000 more passes per year overall with fewer interceptions (6 TEAMS had fewer than 10!!!)), Montana would be destroying the league. On top of that, the rules that protect QBs today are ones that the US Secret Service would like to have for the President--one is colloquially known as the "Brady rule". If you put Brady in Montana's era of headhunting defensive ends, QB's getting their legs snapped in half, stick-em, and wide receivers who at least had to get touched before pass interference was called, he's not going to do so well.

It's certainly possible Montana would have been better in today's game and that Brady would have been worse in Montana's day. Still, we'll never know, we can only go by what they actually have done.

 

[Montrovant]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

That's sad. Joe Montana isn't even in the top 25 all time and Tom Brady isn't in the top 5 (he is in the top 10).

I always know immediately that a person doesn't know shit about football when they grade a QB on how many rings he's won. QB's don't win rings. Teams do. Championships are a measurement of teams - not individuals. Go to the NFL website you and you won't see Joe Montana listed a single time as a Super Bowl winner. You will, however, see the San Francisco 49ers listed.

The greatest QB's in order:

1. Dan Marino (it's not even close - he obliterated the NFL record books)
2. John Elway
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Troy Aikman (most pin-point accurate passer ever)

And before anyone even attempt to argue about #1 - Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history. He coached the legendary Johnny Unitas in Baltimore. He coached Earl Morrell and Bob Griese. Don Shula himself said that Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever play football and that it wasn't even close. I think he has forgotten more about football than anyone here on USMB will ever know.

I gotta tell you, Patriot...your list of the greatest quarterbacks borders on farce.

Tom Brady OWNS every post season record that there is for quarterbacks and has led the Patriots to an unprecedented number of AFC East Division titles despite playing with sub par receivers and running backs. He makes every single player around him better. To say that Joe Montana isn't in the top 25 is akin to waving a large flag above your head that reads "CLUELESS!!!!!"

Again....that is all a measurement of TEAMS...not individuals. Dan Marino shattered the record book. Tom Brady couldn't even start his first three years in the league.

And dude....for the record...I'm a DIE HARD Michigan fan so I'm extremely bias towards Tom Brady. But he's no where near the best QB in NFL history. Not even close. This is as stupid as asking if Derrick Thomas is better than Lawrence Taylor. Derrick Thomas was phenomenal. Lawrence Taylor was a god. Completely different level.

As with Manning, regular season stats only mean so much if you can't continue them into the playoffs. Marino wasn't able to have the same kind of success in the playoffs as he did in the regular season. Against the tougher competition, in the high-pressure situations, he came up short too often. Fairly or not, that weighs against a quarterback.

If you consider Marino the best of the SB era, that seems fine to me. Saying Montana isn't in the top 25, though, sounds ludicrous.

 

[Oldstyle]

I think everyone needs to look at the highlights of the game in question (deflate gate) and let's evaluate how much a deflated football would have contributed to this win.

What I notice is a lot of screen passes by Brady. Lord knows, a professional QB like Brady would have never been able to throw his screen passes unless the ball was deflated (sarcasm).

The Pats won, they played a better game. End of story.

I think the point is that it probably wasn't just one game in which Brady had balls deflated to an illegal level he preferred.

The level of inflation seems to be a fairly minor thing, but it is a rule. I'm certainly not going to say Brady sucks because he played with slightly under-inflated balls.

For about the thousandth time...it has never been proven that Tom Brady played with illegal balls. When the NFL TRIED to say that it had proof the judge presiding at trial practically laughed at them while he asked if that was all they had! Aaron Rogers played with over inflated balls. The NFL did nothing. The Vikings played with heated balls. The NFL did nothing. To say that "Deflategate" was a tempest in a teapot would be the understatement of the century.

 

[sealybobo]

I do not like cheaters, no secret there.

I do not take clowns that claim they smoked Jack Nicholson's joint very seriously either..
...know what I mean PUFFER?



Oh yea how is your very good and close friend Steve Spagnoulo...

Still obsessed about men's genitals, Phallics? Some things never change!

Hardly, your need to be validated by another man and his accomplishments has never wavered though. You never answered, how is your good friend Steve doing?


Do you still hold the opinion that Brady is the greatest taking into account the cheating that helped him achieve his stats and wins and the acts that caused the NFL to suspend him?

What's amusing is that the same NFL Commissioner who suspended Tom Brady for four games, fined the Patriots a million dollars and took away their first round draft choice because a ball was believed to be under inflated had essentially the same situation occur with two Steeler's footballs being measured by the Giants following interceptions and both believed to be under inflated. So what was the punishment for the Steelers? There was none. Zero...zip...nada! Not even the $25,000 penalty for altering balls that's in the rule book. There is a reason why Roger Goodell won't come to Foxboro. He'd get run out of the State on a rail!

Do I think Tom Brady is the best ever? Yes I do and I would point to his taking the Patriots right back to the Super Bowl DESPITE the four game suspension...despite the loss of the team's first round draft pick and despite the loss of his number one offensive weapon, Rob Gronkowski...as the reason why I think that!

As for Spags? He's doing great. Totally rebuilt the Giant's defense this year and made them into one of the league's better units! How are your Ravens doing?

Actually the 4 game suspension showed you could plug anyone in and the pats would still win

My response to that, Sealy...would be that it's laughable to label Tom Brady a "system" quarterback that wins because of what he has around him because in large part Tom Brady IS the system in New England! Did those plug ins win because they got to watch how one of the greatest ever to play the game conducts himself on a week to week basis? Does anyone want to make the point that a major part of the Patriots success isn't Tom Brady's laser focus and commitment to football? Has there ever been a quarterback who's played this well at this age? Even someone close? That isn't because of a "system"...that's because of Brady!

If you asked me who's career I would take its Brady. He reminds me of Tim Duncan. He wasn't the flashiest but he won.

With all this talk I think people believe deep down new england is going to show Atlanta doesn't have the experience. No ones arguing about who's going to win because you just never know. Maybe Atlanta is for real. If they are they'll have to beat the greatest dynasty ever. But it's been done before. It can be done. I'm actually rooting for Atlanta.

 

[sealybobo]

Hardly, your need to be validated by another man and his accomplishments has never wavered though. You never answered, how is your good friend Steve doing?


Do you still hold the opinion that Brady is the greatest taking into account the cheating that helped him achieve his stats and wins and the acts that caused the NFL to suspend him?

What's amusing is that the same NFL Commissioner who suspended Tom Brady for four games, fined the Patriots a million dollars and took away their first round draft choice because a ball was believed to be under inflated had essentially the same situation occur with two Steeler's footballs being measured by the Giants following interceptions and both believed to be under inflated. So what was the punishment for the Steelers? There was none. Zero...zip...nada! Not even the $25,000 penalty for altering balls that's in the rule book. There is a reason why Roger Goodell won't come to Foxboro. He'd get run out of the State on a rail!

Do I think Tom Brady is the best ever? Yes I do and I would point to his taking the Patriots right back to the Super Bowl DESPITE the four game suspension...despite the loss of the team's first round draft pick and despite the loss of his number one offensive weapon, Rob Gronkowski...as the reason why I think that!

As for Spags? He's doing great. Totally rebuilt the Giant's defense this year and made them into one of the league's better units! How are your Ravens doing?

Actually the 4 game suspension showed you could plug anyone in and the pats would still win

"the 4 game suspension showed you could plug anyone in and the pats would still win"

I agree, thanks for proving my point regarding Brady

But you could probably say that about Montana. Look at Steve young. Plug anyone in.

And Terry Bradshaw? Was he that good?

Of course Montana/Young. I never said he was the "greatest" someone else suggested that.


All I am saying is that you are spot on about Brady not being the greatest with your wonderful example.

Who's the greatest?

 

[Oldstyle]

Still obsessed about men's genitals, Phallics? Some things never change!

Hardly, your need to be validated by another man and his accomplishments has never wavered though. You never answered, how is your good friend Steve doing?


Do you still hold the opinion that Brady is the greatest taking into account the cheating that helped him achieve his stats and wins and the acts that caused the NFL to suspend him?

What's amusing is that the same NFL Commissioner who suspended Tom Brady for four games, fined the Patriots a million dollars and took away their first round draft choice because a ball was believed to be under inflated had essentially the same situation occur with two Steeler's footballs being measured by the Giants following interceptions and both believed to be under inflated. So what was the punishment for the Steelers? There was none. Zero...zip...nada! Not even the $25,000 penalty for altering balls that's in the rule book. There is a reason why Roger Goodell won't come to Foxboro. He'd get run out of the State on a rail!

Do I think Tom Brady is the best ever? Yes I do and I would point to his taking the Patriots right back to the Super Bowl DESPITE the four game suspension...despite the loss of the team's first round draft pick and despite the loss of his number one offensive weapon, Rob Gronkowski...as the reason why I think that!

As for Spags? He's doing great. Totally rebuilt the Giant's defense this year and made them into one of the league's better units! How are your Ravens doing?

Actually the 4 game suspension showed you could plug anyone in and the pats would still win

My response to that, Sealy...would be that it's laughable to label Tom Brady a "system" quarterback that wins because of what he has around him because in large part Tom Brady IS the system in New England! Did those plug ins win because they got to watch how one of the greatest ever to play the game conducts himself on a week to week basis? Does anyone want to make the point that a major part of the Patriots success isn't Tom Brady's laser focus and commitment to football? Has there ever been a quarterback who's played this well at this age? Even someone close? That isn't because of a "system"...that's because of Brady!

If you asked me who's career I would take its Brady. He reminds me of Tim Duncan. He wasn't the flashiest but he won.

With all this talk I think people believe deep down new england is going to show Atlanta doesn't have the experience. No ones arguing about who's going to win because you just never know. Maybe Atlanta is for real. If they are they'll have to beat the greatest dynasty ever. But it's been done before. It can be done. I'm actually rooting for Atlanta.

Matty Ryan needs to have the game of his life. If he does then Atlanta can win. If he doesn't then the Patriots will win rather easily.

 

[Oldstyle]

The reason that Brady reminds you of Duncan is that both are unselfish superstars in an era when most superstars are all about themselves. Neither Brady or Duncan care about their own stats as long as the team wins. It's a rare commodity these days.

 

[Alex.]

What's amusing is that the same NFL Commissioner who suspended Tom Brady for four games, fined the Patriots a million dollars and took away their first round draft choice because a ball was believed to be under inflated had essentially the same situation occur with two Steeler's footballs being measured by the Giants following interceptions and both believed to be under inflated. So what was the punishment for the Steelers? There was none. Zero...zip...nada! Not even the $25,000 penalty for altering balls that's in the rule book. There is a reason why Roger Goodell won't come to Foxboro. He'd get run out of the State on a rail!

Do I think Tom Brady is the best ever? Yes I do and I would point to his taking the Patriots right back to the Super Bowl DESPITE the four game suspension...despite the loss of the team's first round draft pick and despite the loss of his number one offensive weapon, Rob Gronkowski...as the reason why I think that!

As for Spags? He's doing great. Totally rebuilt the Giant's defense this year and made them into one of the league's better units! How are your Ravens doing?

Actually the 4 game suspension showed you could plug anyone in and the pats would still win

"the 4 game suspension showed you could plug anyone in and the pats would still win"

I agree, thanks for proving my point regarding Brady

But you could probably say that about Montana. Look at Steve young. Plug anyone in.

And Terry Bradshaw? Was he that good?

Of course Montana/Young. I never said he was the "greatest" someone else suggested that.


All I am saying is that you are spot on about Brady not being the greatest with your wonderful example.

Who's the greatest?

not brady

 

[sealybobo]

Actually the 4 game suspension showed you could plug anyone in and the pats would still win

"the 4 game suspension showed you could plug anyone in and the pats would still win"

I agree, thanks for proving my point regarding Brady

But you could probably say that about Montana. Look at Steve young. Plug anyone in.

And Terry Bradshaw? Was he that good?

Of course Montana/Young. I never said he was the "greatest" someone else suggested that.


All I am saying is that you are spot on about Brady not being the greatest with your wonderful example.

Who's the greatest?

not brady

If you had to pick one.

I know you will pick a Marino or rogers

 

[rightwinger]

I used to think Joe Montana was the greatest ever, but I'm wondering if Tom Brady is the best.

What do you think?

That's sad. Joe Montana isn't even in the top 25 all time and Tom Brady isn't in the top 5 (he is in the top 10).

I always know immediately that a person doesn't know shit about football when they grade a QB on how many rings he's won. QB's don't win rings. Teams do. Championships are a measurement of teams - not individuals. Go to the NFL website you and you won't see Joe Montana listed a single time as a Super Bowl winner. You will, however, see the San Francisco 49ers listed.

The greatest QB's in order:

1. Dan Marino (it's not even close - he obliterated the NFL record books)
2. John Elway
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Troy Aikman (most pin-point accurate passer ever)

And before anyone even attempt to argue about #1 - Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history. He coached the legendary Johnny Unitas in Baltimore. He coached Earl Morrell and Bob Griese. Don Shula himself said that Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever play football and that it wasn't even close. I think he has forgotten more about football than anyone here on USMB will ever know.

Only Elway and Manning belong in the top 5
QBs don't win SBs by themselves and passing yards are not accumulated by themselves. You have to have someone to catch the ball, you have to have someone block for you, you have to have the threat of a running game, a good defense adds to your passing yards as does being behind in the game

Fantasy football stats are great but they don't make you the greatest of all time. Coming up big in big games is the mark of a great QB. It is what makes Roger Staubach great. Its what makes Brady and Montana better than Peyton and Marino