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Islam cannot reform. Muhammad completed the religion. What he said cannot be changed. Muslims that try risk their lives for something the devout cannot accept. Forget reform, it will never happen.Yep. And christianity was reformed by a process that has, apparently, missed Islam, so far.If the OT is truly from God, then God commanded his followers to do plenty of nasty stuff comparable to what's in the Quran.
Oh, think it can. I can just look at the difference between a moderate, assimilated muslim in our country and your average, pakistani Muslim who believes all manner of disgusting, evil nonsense.Islam cannot reform.
Oh, think it can. I can just look at the difference between a moderate, assimilated muslim in our country and your average, pakistani Muslim who believes all manner of disgusting, evil nonsense.Islam cannot reform.
So, the facts dont bear out your assertion. But,keep in mind, Islam (like christianity) will be "reformed" precisely to the extent that its adherents do NOT follow the letter of their holy texts. So,maybe "abandonment" is a better word than "reform".
Jesus never put anybody to death for adultery.But putting people to death for adultery is a-ok?A prophet of God does not order his men to rape women, does not earn a living through theft and does declare eternal war until all submit to him.
There are no gods in any of this nonsense. Clearly these stories were wtitten by terrified, ignorant people trying to make sense of a world they didnt understand.
But,more importantly, we need to put aside all talk of magical sky daddies and focus on the merit of the ideas in these archaic holy texts.
Meh, words are cheap. Lots of christians say they believe jesus is the savior. Yet the churches are half empty every Sunday. I care more about what people do than what they say.Oh, think it can. I can just look at the difference between a moderate, assimilated muslim in our country and your average, pakistani Muslim who believes all manner of disgusting, evil nonsense.Islam cannot reform.
So, the facts dont bear out your assertion. But,keep in mind, Islam (like christianity) will be "reformed" precisely to the extent that its adherents do NOT follow the letter of their holy texts. So,maybe "abandonment" is a better word than "reform".
for muslims-----giving up muhummad and every perverse word recorded and every perverse action-----as being DIVINE----is as impossible as suggesting that Christianity give up Jesus
And yet his magical daddy supposedly ordered precisely that. And people followed that order long after the mythical jesus supossedly came and went. And now, generally, they don't follow that order.Jesus never put anybody to death for adultery.
You are talking the religion of ancient Hebrews, there.And yet his magical daddy supposedly ordered precisely that. And people followed that order long after the mythical jesus supossedly came and went. And now, generally, they don't follow that order.Jesus never put anybody to death for adultery.
Hint: that ain't because of Jesus.
No im not. I am talking about christians. I dont think you are equipped to have an honest coversation about that.You are talking the religion of ancient Hebrews, there.
No im not. I am talking about christians. I dont think you are equipped to have an honest coversation about that.You are talking the religion of ancient Hebrews, there.
I think I will leave you to it and stick to talking about what needs to happen with Islam.
They absolutely did, because their bible commanded them to do so. Thats a sinple fact.Christians do not kill adulterers Jesus never said they should .
Oh, think it can. I can just look at the difference between a moderate, assimilated muslim in our country and your average, pakistani Muslim who believes all manner of disgusting, evil nonsense.Islam cannot reform.
So, the facts dont bear out your assertion. But,keep in mind, Islam (like christianity) will be "reformed" precisely to the extent that its adherents do NOT follow the letter of their holy texts. So,maybe "abandonment" is a better word than "reform".
Like the Fort Hood shooter, the foiled Time Square bomber, the Orlando shooter?assimilated muslim in our country
No, and what a silly question. Come on. Act like an adult.Like the Fort Hood shooter, the foiled Time Square bomber, the Orlando shooter?
It is not a stupid question. These Muslims mentioned were supposedly assimilated. Jihad can be done in many ways and at anytime. Keep apologizing for the hate Islam inspires.No, and what a stupid question. Come on. Act like an adult.Like the Fort Hood shooter, the foiled Time Square bomber, the Orlando shooter?
And represent such a small percentage of American muslims that you pretty much strengthen my point for me, thanks.These Muslims mentioned were supposedly assimilated.
19 killed 3,000. That small percentage is deadly and it is the religion that makes them that way. That is what you will not admit.And represent such a small percentage of American muslims that you pretty much strengthen my point for me, thanks.These Muslims mentioned were supposedly assimilated.
Clearly the moderate, assimilated Muslims -- many of them actually now secular -- have benefitted from reform that more fundamental muslims have not.
Yes, but that only speaks to my point in supporting it. You see the difference between those fanatics and Abdul in the IT department who likes to hit the strip clubs on Friday night. Just as you can see the difference between a nun and a cafeteria christian.19 killed 3,000. That small percentage is deadly and it is the religion that makes them that way.And represent such a small percentage of American muslims that you pretty much strengthen my point for me, thanks.These Muslims mentioned were supposedly assimilated.
Clearly the moderate, assimilated Muslims -- many of them actually now secular -- have benefitted from reform that more fundamental muslims have not.
Meh, words are cheap. Lots of christians say they believe jesus is the savior. Yet the churches are half empty every Sunday. I care more about what people do than what they say.Oh, think it can. I can just look at the difference between a moderate, assimilated muslim in our country and your average, pakistani Muslim who believes all manner of disgusting, evil nonsense.Islam cannot reform.
So, the facts dont bear out your assertion. But,keep in mind, Islam (like christianity) will be "reformed" precisely to the extent that its adherents do NOT follow the letter of their holy texts. So,maybe "abandonment" is a better word than "reform".
for muslims-----giving up muhummad and every perverse word recorded and every perverse action-----as being DIVINE----is as impossible as suggesting that Christianity give up Jesus
19 killed 3,000. That small percentage is deadly and it is the religion that makes them that way. That is what you will not admit.And represent such a small percentage of American muslims that you pretty much strengthen my point for me, thanks.These Muslims mentioned were supposedly assimilated.
Clearly the moderate, assimilated Muslims -- many of them actually now secular -- have benefitted from reform that more fundamental muslims have not.
So you ignore the religion that teaches hate because not enough Islam inspired haters kill people here in America? Good thinking.Yes, but that only speaks to my point in supporting it. You see the difference between those fanatics and Abdul in the IT department who likes to hit the strip clubs on Friday night. Just as you can see the difference between a nun and a cafeteria christian.19 killed 3,000. That small percentage is deadly and it is the religion that makes them that way.And represent such a small percentage of American muslims that you pretty much strengthen my point for me, thanks.These Muslims mentioned were supposedly assimilated.
Clearly the moderate, assimilated Muslims -- many of them actually now secular -- have benefitted from reform that more fundamental muslims have not.
