Brain357
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Vouchers have not proven to work. They are just another attack on unions.
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Isn't it funny how liberals defend socialism?
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Vouchers have not proven to work. They are just another attack on unions.
NYcarbineer
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They are so pathetic. Really. They then claim they are not socialists.
Actually, this country is already pretty much a socialist country. Every pathetic socialist program an utter failure.
Do you know the left in this country are so stupid that they actually want communism? Do you know the left are so stupid that they think Bernie is not a communist? Do you know they are so stupid that they don't know or care that he is a bonafied loser who did not have his first job until he was 40?
What am I talking about. The left are so stupid that they voted for Obama twice and still brag about it, they still think the man made global warming shit is NOT a scam, they still think Billary has never lied, they still think GW lied about WMDs even though we have proven hundreds of times that dems propagated WMDs long before he took office, they still think Booooosh is solely responsible for the economic crash of 2008 even though democrats took over the purse strings and power in 2007.
Was that one long sentence with a lot of commas? I sure hope it pissed off the grammar PC morons on the left.
They sure are stupid.
It seems to work fine in the right amounts.
Nope...all of those systems are going under...social security and medicare...all are out of money.......filled with waste, fraud and abuse...and no one cares because they will collapse in the future......
When the government runs out of other peoples money.....
Social Security has a 2 trillion plus surplus, you idiot.
Brain357
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They are so pathetic. Really. They then claim they are not socialists.
Actually, this country is already pretty much a socialist country. Every pathetic socialist program an utter failure.
Do you know the left in this country are so stupid that they actually want communism? Do you know the left are so stupid that they think Bernie is not a communist? Do you know they are so stupid that they don't know or care that he is a bonafied loser who did not have his first job until he was 40?
What am I talking about. The left are so stupid that they voted for Obama twice and still brag about it, they still think the man made global warming shit is NOT a scam, they still think Billary has never lied, they still think GW lied about WMDs even though we have proven hundreds of times that dems propagated WMDs long before he took office, they still think Booooosh is solely responsible for the economic crash of 2008 even though democrats took over the purse strings and power in 2007.
Was that one long sentence with a lot of commas? I sure hope it pissed off the grammar PC morons on the left.
They sure are stupid.
It seems to work fine in the right amounts.
Nope...all of those systems are going under...social security and medicare...all are out of money.......filled with waste, fraud and abuse...and no one cares because they will collapse in the future......
When the government runs out of other peoples money.....
They will be fine. Just need a few adjustments.
2aguy
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Your generic rhetorical assessment of our educational system is typically simplistic and wrong. Studies show that kids who attend public schools in more affluent neighborhoods score as well or better than kids in Finland or Japan or whatever country you can name. The low scores in less affluent neighborhoods has more to do with language deficit than anything else. Teaching a classroom half filled with Spanish speaking immigrants sort of lowers the average. But I'm sure details like that are irrelevant when you're more interested in dogma than reality.Yeah...hitler was honest too....and the Germans supported him.........see, honesty about evil is not a good thing......what sanders pushes enslaves people...it doesn't free them...
What's free about an $80,000 student loan bill?
It is a loan....you were not forced to take the money and once you pay back what you agreed to you go on your way........what is so hard about voluntary transactions between two people that you twits don't get......
What is it about a college education costing that much when the countries who are kicking our ass educationally are educating their kids for much less, even tuition-free?
Those countries are not paying for their own defense........and their kids can't get jobs even with those educations......
it is our lower level education system...the one run by the democrat controlled teachers unions, that aren't educating our kids...there is a complete government monopoly on that system...that is why our lower level education system sucks.....the very thing you want for our higher education system....
Our colleges...have to compete for the best students......and the best teachers...so our higher education gets the best of those who make it through the crappy public education system...and those who avoid that system and go to private schools....
That is the difference......
wrong...the public schools in affluent neighborhoods pay their teachers more...because the parent's pay more.....they get the best teachers....
And the problem with teaching non English speakers is easily solved...teach only in English...in a year they will be speaking English...just like my sister in law who came from Poland...started school not speaking any english at all, and in a year she was fluent....
But you lefties need the spanish speakers not speaking english...you need them isolated, poor, uneducated, angry and hopeless....then they will vote to steal money from others to give to greedy politicians.....that is how it works in socialist countries....
NYcarbineer
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wrong....our lower level education system is a monopoly run by the government.....so the quality sucks....
Our higher education still has competition......for the best students and the best teachers...so it is far better....
You nuts want to make the higher education system run like the public education system......to make it suck too.......
Our private colleges are the expensive ones, not the state schools.
Yeah....because they are the best...why? Because they have to compete for that money...they just don't get it from the government....and they get the best teachers because they can pay the best wages...and aren't held down by the unions.......
And the private schools get the best teachers and students don't they.....they have to compete..right?
So you want to make them suck too....
State colleges are renowned for the quality of education they provide for the price.
Yeah.....and they are not controlled in the same way public schools are are they.....? They have to compete to get students since their student body isn't trapped by town limits........they have to respond to the customer....lower level public schools do not......that is why the lower level public schools can suck...no one can escape them.
That is why unions fight school vouchers.....because then they would actually have to compete to keep students.....you know...the parents would have the freedom to go to other schools and not the crap school they live next to......
That is freedom...but I am guessing you don't support school vouchers right? You support sucky education at all levels..right?
Vouchers have not proven to work. They are just another attack on unions.
Vouchers are nothing more than huge taxpayer funded redistribution of wealth,
if nothing else proving that conservatives love government spending when it comes THEIR way.
2aguy
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They are so pathetic. Really. They then claim they are not socialists.
Actually, this country is already pretty much a socialist country. Every pathetic socialist program an utter failure.
Do you know the left in this country are so stupid that they actually want communism? Do you know the left are so stupid that they think Bernie is not a communist? Do you know they are so stupid that they don't know or care that he is a bonafied loser who did not have his first job until he was 40?
What am I talking about. The left are so stupid that they voted for Obama twice and still brag about it, they still think the man made global warming shit is NOT a scam, they still think Billary has never lied, they still think GW lied about WMDs even though we have proven hundreds of times that dems propagated WMDs long before he took office, they still think Booooosh is solely responsible for the economic crash of 2008 even though democrats took over the purse strings and power in 2007.
Was that one long sentence with a lot of commas? I sure hope it pissed off the grammar PC morons on the left.
They sure are stupid.
It seems to work fine in the right amounts.
Nope...all of those systems are going under...social security and medicare...all are out of money.......filled with waste, fraud and abuse...and no one cares because they will collapse in the future......
When the government runs out of other peoples money.....
Social Security has a 2 trillion plus surplus, you idiot.
Yeah.....and you can keep your doctor too......moron.
NYcarbineer
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wrong...the public schools in affluent neighborhoods pay their teachers more...because the parent's pay more.....they get the best teachers....
.
Aha! So all the union-busting designed to drive down teachers' salaries that is the conservative formula for getting better quality teachers is total horseshit.
I've been telling people that for years. Thanks for agreeing with me.
2aguy
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Our private colleges are the expensive ones, not the state schools.
Yeah....because they are the best...why? Because they have to compete for that money...they just don't get it from the government....and they get the best teachers because they can pay the best wages...and aren't held down by the unions.......
And the private schools get the best teachers and students don't they.....they have to compete..right?
So you want to make them suck too....
State colleges are renowned for the quality of education they provide for the price.
Yeah.....and they are not controlled in the same way public schools are are they.....? They have to compete to get students since their student body isn't trapped by town limits........they have to respond to the customer....lower level public schools do not......that is why the lower level public schools can suck...no one can escape them.
That is why unions fight school vouchers.....because then they would actually have to compete to keep students.....you know...the parents would have the freedom to go to other schools and not the crap school they live next to......
That is freedom...but I am guessing you don't support school vouchers right? You support sucky education at all levels..right?
Vouchers have not proven to work. They are just another attack on unions.
Vouchers are nothing more than huge taxpayer funded redistribution of wealth,
if nothing else proving that conservatives love government spending when it comes THEIR way.
No twit....it is called freedom. If we are going to publicly fund education the only way to improve it is to allow the parents to go to whatever school they want....creating competition for those dollars...thus improving the quality of the education of those kids........just like the colleges do.......
You guys support government scholarships to colleges...just not to elementary schools...because you need more uneducated and hopeless people...
TyroneSlothrop
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Okay genius....let me help you.....let's say you have a plumber and his son is going to be a plumber like dear old dad.......you nuts want to take money from them.... to pay for the degree in 18th Century French Poets of the guy living in his parent's basement....and the plumber cannot refuse to not pay that money to fund that kid's education.....it will be taken by force if he refuses to pay those taxes......
What is fucking free about that.....?
Okay genius....let me help you.....let's say you have a plumber and his son is going to be a plumber like dear old dad.......you nuts want to take money from them.... to pay for the revolving door at the Pentagon of Retired Military going on Boards of Armament makers to enrich each other with the sweat of our workers...and the plumber and none of us can refuse to pay the tribute to the "Military Industrial Complex Empire" [the MICE]..it will be taken by force if anyone refuses to pay..
what s free about that ?
Liminal
Gold Member
Wrong again, the teachers in either neighborhood make the same amount of money. Now you're just making stuff up.Your generic rhetorical assessment of our educational system is typically simplistic and wrong. Studies show that kids who attend public schools in more affluent neighborhoods score as well or better than kids in Finland or Japan or whatever country you can name. The low scores in less affluent neighborhoods has more to do with language deficit than anything else. Teaching a classroom half filled with Spanish speaking immigrants sort of lowers the average. But I'm sure details like that are irrelevant when you're more interested in dogma than reality.What's free about an $80,000 student loan bill?
It is a loan....you were not forced to take the money and once you pay back what you agreed to you go on your way........what is so hard about voluntary transactions between two people that you twits don't get......
What is it about a college education costing that much when the countries who are kicking our ass educationally are educating their kids for much less, even tuition-free?
Those countries are not paying for their own defense........and their kids can't get jobs even with those educations......
it is our lower level education system...the one run by the democrat controlled teachers unions, that aren't educating our kids...there is a complete government monopoly on that system...that is why our lower level education system sucks.....the very thing you want for our higher education system....
Our colleges...have to compete for the best students......and the best teachers...so our higher education gets the best of those who make it through the crappy public education system...and those who avoid that system and go to private schools....
That is the difference......
wrong...the public schools in affluent neighborhoods pay their teachers more...because the parent's pay more.....they get the best teachers....
And the problem with teaching non English speakers is easily solved...teach only in English...in a year they will be speaking English...just like my sister in law who came from Poland...started school not speaking any english at all, and in a year she was fluent....
But you lefties need the spanish speakers not speaking english...you need them isolated, poor, uneducated, angry and hopeless....then they will vote to steal money from others to give to greedy politicians.....that is how it works in socialist countries....
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
They are so pathetic. Really. They then claim they are not socialists.
Actually, this country is already pretty much a socialist country. Every pathetic socialist program an utter failure.
Do you know the left in this country are so stupid that they actually want communism? Do you know the left are so stupid that they think Bernie is not a communist? Do you know they are so stupid that they don't know or care that he is a bonafied loser who did not have his first job until he was 40?
What am I talking about. The left are so stupid that they voted for Obama twice and still brag about it, they still think the man made global warming shit is NOT a scam, they still think Billary has never lied, they still think GW lied about WMDs even though we have proven hundreds of times that dems propagated WMDs long before he took office, they still think Booooosh is solely responsible for the economic crash of 2008 even though democrats took over the purse strings and power in 2007.
Was that one long sentence with a lot of commas? I sure hope it pissed off the grammar PC morons on the left.
They sure are stupid.
It seems to work fine in the right amounts.
Nope...all of those systems are going under...social security and medicare...all are out of money.......filled with waste, fraud and abuse...and no one cares because they will collapse in the future......
When the government runs out of other peoples money.....
Social Security has a 2 trillion plus surplus, you idiot.
Yeah.....and you can keep your doctor too......moron.
It's true and you know it. The SS trust fund holds 2T+ in government bonds that are the most secure investment in the world.
TyroneSlothrop
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2aguy
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wrong...the public schools in affluent neighborhoods pay their teachers more...because the parent's pay more.....they get the best teachers....
.
Aha! So all the union-busting designed to drive down teachers' salaries that is the conservative formula for getting better quality teachers is total horseshit.
I've been telling people that for years. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Wrong twit.......unions protect bad teachers, they bargain with politicians they give money to to set the wages for union teachers and trap kids in their schools to keep union teachers who can't teach employed so the can keep giving their union dues.....
Vouchers allow parents to escape that system and force schools to improve....
Teachers at wealthy shools make more...twit......and when these public schools are competing for students who have school vouchers....they will pay their teachers more because parents will go to the schools with the best teachers.......it is called competition....
Right now parents are stuck with the school in their neighberhood and the unions now it....so they could care less about the crappy teacher as long as that teacher is paying their dues on time....
Liminal
Gold Member
The marketplace doesn't take precedence over everything.Yeah....because they are the best...why? Because they have to compete for that money...they just don't get it from the government....and they get the best teachers because they can pay the best wages...and aren't held down by the unions.......
And the private schools get the best teachers and students don't they.....they have to compete..right?
So you want to make them suck too....
State colleges are renowned for the quality of education they provide for the price.
Yeah.....and they are not controlled in the same way public schools are are they.....? They have to compete to get students since their student body isn't trapped by town limits........they have to respond to the customer....lower level public schools do not......that is why the lower level public schools can suck...no one can escape them.
That is why unions fight school vouchers.....because then they would actually have to compete to keep students.....you know...the parents would have the freedom to go to other schools and not the crap school they live next to......
That is freedom...but I am guessing you don't support school vouchers right? You support sucky education at all levels..right?
Vouchers have not proven to work. They are just another attack on unions.
Vouchers are nothing more than huge taxpayer funded redistribution of wealth,
if nothing else proving that conservatives love government spending when it comes THEIR way.
No twit....it is called freedom. If we are going to publicly fund education the only way to improve it is to allow the parents to go to whatever school they want....creating competition for those dollars...thus improving the quality of the education of those kids........just like the colleges do.......
You guys support government scholarships to colleges...just not to elementary schools...because you need more uneducated and hopeless people...
Brain357
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Evidence Mounts Against Louisiana Voucher Program[
wrong...the public schools in affluent neighborhoods pay their teachers more...because the parent's pay more.....they get the best teachers....
.
Aha! So all the union-busting designed to drive down teachers' salaries that is the conservative formula for getting better quality teachers is total horseshit.
I've been telling people that for years. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Wrong twit.......unions protect bad teachers, they bargain with politicians they give money to to set the wages for union teachers and trap kids in their schools to keep union teachers who can't teach employed so the can keep giving their union dues.....
Vouchers allow parents to escape that system and force schools to improve....
Teachers at wealthy shools make more...twit......and when these public schools are competing for students who have school vouchers....they will pay their teachers more because parents will go to the schools with the best teachers.......it is called competition....
Right now parents are stuck with the school in their neighberhood and the unions now it....so they could care less about the crappy teacher as long as that teacher is paying their dues on time....
TyroneSlothrop
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SS Reserves (end of 2014) 2,729.2[ in billion ] or $ 2.7292 Trillion
NYcarbineer
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SS Reserves (end of 2014) 2,729.2[ in billion ] or $ 2.7292 Trillion
They reject those figures because the RWnuts have decided (insanely) that US government bonds (which almost every one of them holds in some capacity)
are worthless.
TyroneSlothrop
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Right now parents are stuck with the school in their neighberhood and the unions now it....so they could care less about the crappy teacher as long as that teacher is paying their dues on time....
The US rose to prominence post WW 2 with public schools...the Goops just want to make private profits off the public sector dollar
Brain357
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Vouchers a great way to drive down wages:
Why Are Private-School Teachers Paid Less Than Public-School Teachers?
Private school teachers make way less than public school teachers. Average salaries are nearly $50,000 for public, and barely $36,000 for private. That’s not just a gap. It’s a chasm.
Why Are Private-School Teachers Paid Less Than Public-School Teachers?
Private school teachers make way less than public school teachers. Average salaries are nearly $50,000 for public, and barely $36,000 for private. That’s not just a gap. It’s a chasm.
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