Isn't the Deep State a design of the Constitution? Factions/Federalist No. 10

[The2ndAmendment]

I don't know why progressives deny that is exists.
I don't know why conservatives act as if the Deep State is a modern abnormality, it's been around since the founding and was supposed arise due to the design of our constitution.

Federalist No. 10 - Wikipedia

The fact we haven't devolved into total (armed) civil war with all these extraordinary differences in political ideology across the United States speaks volumes of the wisdom and foresight behind the drafting of the Constitution.

Federalist No. 10

James Madison, author of Federalist No. 10
Author James Madison
Language English
Series The Federalist
Publisher The Independent Journal, New York Packet, Daily Advertiser
Publication date
November 23, 1787
Media type Newspaper
Preceded by Federalist No. 9
Followed by Federalist No. 11
Federalist No. 10 is an essay written by James Madison as the tenth of The Federalist Papers: a series of essays initiated by Alexander Hamilton arguing for the ratification of the United States Constitution. Published on November 23, 1787 under the pseudonym "Publius", Federalist No. 10 is among the most highly regarded of all American political writings.[1]

No. 10 addresses the question of how to reconcile citizens with interests contrary to the rights of others or inimical to the interests of the community as a whole. Madison saw factions as inevitable due to the nature of man – that is, as long as men hold differing opinions, have differing amounts of wealth and own differing amount of property, they will continue to form alliances with people who are most similar to them and they will sometimes work against the public interest and infringe upon the rights of others. He thus questions how to guard against those dangers.[citation needed]

Federalist No. 10 continues a theme begun in Federalist No. 9 and is titled "The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection". The whole series is cited by scholars and jurists as an authoritative interpretation and explication of the meaning of the Constitution. Historians such as Charles A. Beard argue that No. 10 shows an explicit rejection by the Founding Fathers of the principles of direct democracy and factionalism, and argue that Madison suggests that a representative republic is more effective against partisanship and factionalism.[1][2]

Madison saw the Constitution as forming a "happy combination" of a republic and a democracy and with "the great and aggregate interests being referred to the national, the local and particular to the State legislatures" the power would not be centralized, thus making it "more difficult for unworthy candidates to practice the vicious arts by which elections are too often carried".

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I cant believe the sheep around here STILL seriously think trump is not part of the deep state that Obama and Bush and the clintons are.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I cant believe the sheep around here STILL seriously think trump is not part of the deep state that Obama and Bush and the clintons are.

I can't believe anyone thinks that Deep State is a single unified faction, when it is (and always has been) multiple competing mega-conglomerates of political power.

They were more numerous and smaller when the individual States had more power (pre 17th Amendment and pre-Civil War), but they still existed nevertheless. Post Civil War and post 17th Amendment and with modern economy being global, these power blocks have also scaled to global proportions.

 

[Tehon]

I don't know why progressives deny that is exists.
I don't know why conservatives act as if the Deep State is a modern abnormality, it's been around since the founding and was supposed arise due to the design of our constitution.

Federalist No. 10 - Wikipedia

The fact we haven't devolved into total (armed) civil war with all these extraordinary differences in political ideology across the United States speaks volumes of the wisdom and foresight behind the drafting of the Constitution.

Federalist No. 10

James Madison, author of Federalist No. 10
Author James Madison
Language English
Series The Federalist
Publisher The Independent Journal, New York Packet, Daily Advertiser
Publication date
November 23, 1787
Media type Newspaper
Preceded by Federalist No. 9
Followed by Federalist No. 11
Federalist No. 10 is an essay written by James Madison as the tenth of The Federalist Papers: a series of essays initiated by Alexander Hamilton arguing for the ratification of the United States Constitution. Published on November 23, 1787 under the pseudonym "Publius", Federalist No. 10 is among the most highly regarded of all American political writings.[1]

No. 10 addresses the question of how to reconcile citizens with interests contrary to the rights of others or inimical to the interests of the community as a whole. Madison saw factions as inevitable due to the nature of man – that is, as long as men hold differing opinions, have differing amounts of wealth and own differing amount of property, they will continue to form alliances with people who are most similar to them and they will sometimes work against the public interest and infringe upon the rights of others. He thus questions how to guard against those dangers.[citation needed]

Federalist No. 10 continues a theme begun in Federalist No. 9 and is titled "The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection". The whole series is cited by scholars and jurists as an authoritative interpretation and explication of the meaning of the Constitution. Historians such as Charles A. Beard argue that No. 10 shows an explicit rejection by the Founding Fathers of the principles of direct democracy and factionalism, and argue that Madison suggests that a representative republic is more effective against partisanship and factionalism.[1][2]

Madison saw the Constitution as forming a "happy combination" of a republic and a democracy and with "the great and aggregate interests being referred to the national, the local and particular to the State legislatures" the power would not be centralized, thus making it "more difficult for unworthy candidates to practice the vicious arts by which elections are too often carried".

I don't know why they deny it either. I think just because.....Trump.

The Constitution was meant to be a bulwark against it, not a cause of it.

 

[Tehon]

I cant believe the sheep around here STILL seriously think trump is not part of the deep state that Obama and Bush and the clintons are.

I can't believe anyone thinks that Deep State is a single unified faction, when it is (and always has been) multiple competing mega-conglomerates of political power.

They were more numerous and smaller when the individual States had more power (pre 17th Amendment and pre-Civil War), but they still existed nevertheless. Post Civil War and post 17th Amendment and with modern economy being global, these power blocks have also scaled to global proportions.

Certain factions seem to repeatedly gain the upper hand. The Israel lobby for one. The military industrial complex for another. But they go hand in hand it seems.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I don't know why progressives deny that is exists.
I don't know why conservatives act as if the Deep State is a modern abnormality, it's been around since the founding and was supposed arise due to the design of our constitution.

Federalist No. 10 - Wikipedia

The fact we haven't devolved into total (armed) civil war with all these extraordinary differences in political ideology across the United States speaks volumes of the wisdom and foresight behind the drafting of the Constitution.

Federalist No. 10

James Madison, author of Federalist No. 10
Author James Madison
Language English
Series The Federalist
Publisher The Independent Journal, New York Packet, Daily Advertiser
Publication date
November 23, 1787
Media type Newspaper
Preceded by Federalist No. 9
Followed by Federalist No. 11
Federalist No. 10 is an essay written by James Madison as the tenth of The Federalist Papers: a series of essays initiated by Alexander Hamilton arguing for the ratification of the United States Constitution. Published on November 23, 1787 under the pseudonym "Publius", Federalist No. 10 is among the most highly regarded of all American political writings.[1]

No. 10 addresses the question of how to reconcile citizens with interests contrary to the rights of others or inimical to the interests of the community as a whole. Madison saw factions as inevitable due to the nature of man – that is, as long as men hold differing opinions, have differing amounts of wealth and own differing amount of property, they will continue to form alliances with people who are most similar to them and they will sometimes work against the public interest and infringe upon the rights of others. He thus questions how to guard against those dangers.[citation needed]

Federalist No. 10 continues a theme begun in Federalist No. 9 and is titled "The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection". The whole series is cited by scholars and jurists as an authoritative interpretation and explication of the meaning of the Constitution. Historians such as Charles A. Beard argue that No. 10 shows an explicit rejection by the Founding Fathers of the principles of direct democracy and factionalism, and argue that Madison suggests that a representative republic is more effective against partisanship and factionalism.[1][2]

Madison saw the Constitution as forming a "happy combination" of a republic and a democracy and with "the great and aggregate interests being referred to the national, the local and particular to the State legislatures" the power would not be centralized, thus making it "more difficult for unworthy candidates to practice the vicious arts by which elections are too often carried".

I don't know why they deny it either. I think just because.....Trump.

The Constitution was meant to be a bulwark against it, not a cause of it.

And the Constitution works very well against any particular faction from becoming too powerful. The Electoral College did it's job. Trump is President, despite the overbearing political forces and populations of the Blue States.

 

[Oddball]

 

[munkle]

The face of the present Deep State we can see starts with George HW Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated, when he was already part of the CIA. The Clinton crime family is the Democratic side, who muscled their way in over the Clinton trail of bodies to get Bill elected, which is something the Bush's understand and admire. You can see more of them in the perps of 9/11, who were in charge of the defenses that 19 Saudi party boys got through and amazingly took down 3 skyscrapers in a row, flying around undisturbed all morning in the most heavily guarded air space in the world. Suddenly we are getting rid of Israel's biggest enemy for it, Saddam, and Halliburton and defense contractors are making guaranteed trillions for the next 50 years, while Medicaid, social security and school lunches all go on the chopping block. It is all so obvious you need to be a moron not to see it, but then there are lots of morons in America.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

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Are any of our political institutions really that terrible compared to other large empires, nation and superpowers throughout recorded history?

 

[JWBooth]

I don't know why progressives deny that is exists.
I don't know why conservatives act as if the Deep State is a modern abnormality, it's been around since the founding and was supposed arise due to the design of our constitution.

Federalist No. 10 - Wikipedia

The fact we haven't devolved into total (armed) civil war with all these extraordinary differences in political ideology across the United States speaks volumes of the wisdom and foresight behind the drafting of the Constitution.

Federalist No. 10

James Madison, author of Federalist No. 10
Author James Madison
Language English
Series The Federalist
Publisher The Independent Journal, New York Packet, Daily Advertiser
Publication date
November 23, 1787
Media type Newspaper
Preceded by Federalist No. 9
Followed by Federalist No. 11
Federalist No. 10 is an essay written by James Madison as the tenth of The Federalist Papers: a series of essays initiated by Alexander Hamilton arguing for the ratification of the United States Constitution. Published on November 23, 1787 under the pseudonym "Publius", Federalist No. 10 is among the most highly regarded of all American political writings.[1]

No. 10 addresses the question of how to reconcile citizens with interests contrary to the rights of others or inimical to the interests of the community as a whole. Madison saw factions as inevitable due to the nature of man – that is, as long as men hold differing opinions, have differing amounts of wealth and own differing amount of property, they will continue to form alliances with people who are most similar to them and they will sometimes work against the public interest and infringe upon the rights of others. He thus questions how to guard against those dangers.[citation needed]

Federalist No. 10 continues a theme begun in Federalist No. 9 and is titled "The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection". The whole series is cited by scholars and jurists as an authoritative interpretation and explication of the meaning of the Constitution. Historians such as Charles A. Beard argue that No. 10 shows an explicit rejection by the Founding Fathers of the principles of direct democracy and factionalism, and argue that Madison suggests that a representative republic is more effective against partisanship and factionalism.[1][2]

Madison saw the Constitution as forming a "happy combination" of a republic and a democracy and with "the great and aggregate interests being referred to the national, the local and particular to the State legislatures" the power would not be centralized, thus making it "more difficult for unworthy candidates to practice the vicious arts by which elections are too often carried".

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” Lysander Spooner

 

[Oddball]

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Are any of our political institutions really that terrible compared to other large empires, nation and superpowers throughout recorded history?

Stockholm syndrome much?

 

[JWBooth]

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I Should have read ahead before posting

 

[JWBooth]

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Are any of our political institutions really that terrible compared to other large empires, nation and superpowers throughout recorded history?

Only difference is lost to minutiae

 

[munkle]

I don't know why progressives deny that is exists.
I don't know why conservatives act as if the Deep State is a modern abnormality, it's been around since the founding and was supposed arise due to the design of our constitution.

Federalist No. 10 - Wikipedia

The fact we haven't devolved into total (armed) civil war with all these extraordinary differences in political ideology across the United States speaks volumes of the wisdom and foresight behind the drafting of the Constitution.

Federalist No. 10

James Madison, author of Federalist No. 10
Author James Madison
Language English
Series The Federalist
Publisher The Independent Journal, New York Packet, Daily Advertiser
Publication date
November 23, 1787
Media type Newspaper
Preceded by Federalist No. 9
Followed by Federalist No. 11
Federalist No. 10 is an essay written by James Madison as the tenth of The Federalist Papers: a series of essays initiated by Alexander Hamilton arguing for the ratification of the United States Constitution. Published on November 23, 1787 under the pseudonym "Publius", Federalist No. 10 is among the most highly regarded of all American political writings.[1]

No. 10 addresses the question of how to reconcile citizens with interests contrary to the rights of others or inimical to the interests of the community as a whole. Madison saw factions as inevitable due to the nature of man – that is, as long as men hold differing opinions, have differing amounts of wealth and own differing amount of property, they will continue to form alliances with people who are most similar to them and they will sometimes work against the public interest and infringe upon the rights of others. He thus questions how to guard against those dangers.[citation needed]

Federalist No. 10 continues a theme begun in Federalist No. 9 and is titled "The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection". The whole series is cited by scholars and jurists as an authoritative interpretation and explication of the meaning of the Constitution. Historians such as Charles A. Beard argue that No. 10 shows an explicit rejection by the Founding Fathers of the principles of direct democracy and factionalism, and argue that Madison suggests that a representative republic is more effective against partisanship and factionalism.[1][2]

Madison saw the Constitution as forming a "happy combination" of a republic and a democracy and with "the great and aggregate interests being referred to the national, the local and particular to the State legislatures" the power would not be centralized, thus making it "more difficult for unworthy candidates to practice the vicious arts by which elections are too often carried".

I think you are confusing the Deep State with representative republican government as opposed to direct democracy. Leaders are elected to represent the will of the people tempered by their own judgement. The Deep State is not elected at all. It is a violent coup faction which in modern times took control with the assassination of JFK.