Israel attacks civilians

[JStone]

Palestine? No such thing.

Didn't you know, King Salem was king of the fictional "Palestine." Well, not really.

Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Author of Three Books on History of Jerusalem...

On August 18 Yasir Arafat, speaking as head of the Palestinian National Authority in Gaza and Jericho, told Arab youngsters at a summer camp, "Those of you who lit the intifada fire must now act as defenders of this young state, whose capital is Jerusalem. It is Bir Salem [the fountain of Salem]. Salem was one of the Canaanite Kings, one of our forefathers. This city is the capital of our children and our children's children. If not for this belief and conviction of the Palestinian nation, this people would have been erased from the face of the earth, as were so many other nations."

King Salem is a newcomer on the historical scene. No such Canaanite, Jebusite or Philistine king is known to history

And, Jesus Christ, the Rabbi who was King of the Jews who taught from the Torah, was really a muslime palesteenian martyr

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLyVU0Otlk]Arafat said Jesus was a Palestinian. Palestinian author and TV host agree. - YouTube[/ame]

We’re talking about an ongoing chain [of prophets of the Islam], from Adam to Muhammad. It’s an ongoing chain, representing the call for monotheism, and the mission of Islam… The prophets were all of the same religion [Islam]… Jesus was born in this land. He lived in this land. It is known that he was born in Bethlehem… He also lived in Nazereth, moved to Jerusalem. So he was a Palestinian par excellence…We respect Jesus, we believe in him [as a Muslim prophet], just as we believe in the prophet Muhammad.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQC0zeQFgJc]Jesus misrepresented as "Palestinian" by Mufti of the Palestinian Authority - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

You still have not found a 1948 map of Israel. There is no such place.

 

[JStone]

You still have not found a 1948 map of Israel. There is no such place.

Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.
Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi, Italian Muslim Assembly

I believe that "Palestinian identity" is something completely artificial: it was forged as a propagandistic tool against Israel. The strange fact is that, at least here in Europe, I have never heard an Arab from the Land of Israel ("Palestine") say: "I am Palestinian."

Please remember that the so-called hero of "Palestinian independence," the pro-Nazi Grand Mufti of British Mandate Palestine, Haj Amin al-Husseini, never claimed that "Palestinians" are to be an independent people: all of his official declarations state that "Palestine must be recognized as a integral part of Syria."
ISRAEL SHOULD DECLARE OSLO NULL AND VOID (Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi August, 1998

Guy Milliere, Eminent Professor of History and Political Science, University of Paris

No one had heard of a Palestinian people before the mid-1960s. They did not exist. Israel under the British Mandate until Israel' s Independence in 1948 was called Palestine. All Jews who were born there until i948 had the word « Palestine » stamped on their passports. The current Palestinians are those Arabs who, for a variety of reasons, decided to leave the land during the 1947 War of Independence, when five countries--Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq--attacked the 600,000 people in the fledgling state of Israel the day after its birth, hoping to kill it in the crib.
The War Against Israel Goes On- by Guy Millière | dreuz.info

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJjm5K07V0]Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice deflection, but still no map of Israel.

 

[JStone]

Nice deflection, but still no map of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

More deflection, No map.

 

[JStone]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/4503926-post1923.html

 

[P F Tinmore]

Still can't find a map, I see.

 

[JStone]

Still can't find a map, I see.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/4503926-post1923.html

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually Jerusalem is inside Palestine's borders not Israel's.

Palestine? No such thing.

It is Israel that has no land or borders. That is why nobody has ever found a 1948 map of Israel. There is no such place.

Israel has plenty of land. Borders too. They even have their own currency.

 

[Jos]

You win a coin!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine? No such thing.

It is Israel that has no land or borders. That is why nobody has ever found a 1948 map of Israel. There is no such place.

Israel has plenty of land. Borders too. They even have their own currency.

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhg9Ob-d0FY]"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfk4NGAhk34&feature=related]Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You win a coin!

What's the exchange rate? Where is it minted? I don't see the denomination.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is Israel that has no land or borders. That is why nobody has ever found a 1948 map of Israel. There is no such place.

Israel has plenty of land. Borders too. They even have their own currency.

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhg9Ob-d0FY]"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfk4NGAhk34&feature=related]Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

Palestine has borders? Who controls them?
It's true, Israel's military force is why the "Palestinians" don't have their own borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has plenty of land. Borders too. They even have their own currency.

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhg9Ob-d0FY]"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfk4NGAhk34&feature=related]Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

Palestine has borders? Who controls them?
It's true, Israel's military force is why the "Palestinians" don't have their own borders.

Israel's military controls Palestine's borders as a part of its occupation. However, this does not make the borders Israel's.

 

[JStone]

You win a coin!

Puta, that "Palestine" coin was minted by the British in the 1930s during ther British Mandate. Are "Palestinians" British?

Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1922-1948]

The Romans invented "Palestine" when they renamed Israel "Palestina" to erase 1000 years of Jewish nationhood in Israel. Are "Palestinians" Italian?

Biblical Historian and Scholar Dr. Paula Fredriksen, Ph.D, History of Religion, Princeton University, Diploma in Theology, Oxford University ...

The Judean revolt against Rome was led by [Jewish messiah] Bar Kochba in 132-135 CE. The immediate causes of this rebellion are obscure. Its result was not: [Roman Emperor] Hadrian crushed the revolt and banned Jews from Judea. The Romans now designated this territory by a political neologism, "Palestine" [a Latin form of "Philistine"], in a deliberate effort to denationalize Jewish/Judean territory. And, finally, Hadrian eradicated Jewish Jerusalem, erecting upon its ruins a new pagan city, Aelia Capitolina.Augustine and the Jews: A Christian ... - Paula Fredriksen - Google Books

PBS: Paula Fredriksen...

Specializing in the history of early Christianity, Paula Fredriksen is author of two books and over a dozen articles on early Christianity. Among her numerous awards and honors are a National Endowment for the Humanities grant for University Professors and a Lady Davis Visiting Professorship of Ancient Christianity at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Her second book, From Jesus to Christ: The Origins of the New Testament Images of Jesus, received the Yale Press Governors' Award for Best Book in 1988. Fredriksen holds a Ph.D. in history of religions, ancient christianity, and Greco-Roman religions from Princeton University and a theology diploma from Oxford University. She served as historical consultant for the BBC production The Lives of Jesus and was a featured speaker and historical consultant for U.S. News and World Report's "The Life and Times of Jesus."
Biographies | From Jesus To Christ - The First Christians | FRONTLINE | PBS

Israel appears in the Bible 2000+ times. Palestine, not once.

Exodus 34:27: Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

Samuel 13:1: Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty two years

Jesus was King of Israel, not "Palestine"

Jesus Christ, King of Israel ...

John 12:12-13 The next day the great crowd that had come for the Feast heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. They took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 1:49: Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."

Jesus Enters Jerusalem as King of Israel John 12 Commentary - Jesus Enters Jerusalem as King of Israel - BibleGateway.com

Passover was one of the three feasts that Jews were supposed to attend in Jerusalem, and consequently the population of Jerusalem swelled enormously at this time. As this great crowd is beginning to gather from around Israel and the larger world of the diaspora, news about Jesus is spreading, and people are wondering whether he will come to the feast. On Sunday, the day after the party in Bethany at which Mary anointed Jesus, news arrives that Jesus is on his way to Jerusalem, and a crowd of pilgrims, presumably those who had been wondering if he would come, goes out to meet him. Mary's private expression of emotion is now matched by the crowd's public outpouring of enthusiasm.
They shout Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!. These are lines from one of the Psalms of Ascents sung as a welcome to pilgrims coming up to Jerusalem. As such, this is an entirely appropriate thing to do as Jesus is coming up to Jerusalem. The cry of Hosanna! is a Hebrew word (hoshi`ah-na) that had become a greeting or shout of praise but that actually meant "Save!" or "Help!". The cry of Hosanna! and the palm branches are in themselves somewhat ambiguous, but their import is made clear as the crowd adds a further line, Blessed is the King of Israel! (v. 13). Clearly they see in Jesus the answer to their nationalistic, messianic hopes. Earlier a crowd had wanted to make Jesus king (6:15), and now this crowd is recognizing him as king in the city of the great King. Here is the great dream of a Davidic ruler who would come and liberate Israel, establishing peace and subduing the Gentiles (cf. Psalms of Solomon 17:21-25).

John the Baptist's witness to Israel (1:31) finds its initial response in the confession of Nathanael, a true Israelite (1:47), when Nathanael confesses Jesus to be the Son of God, the King of Israel (1:49). Nathanael stands in marked contrast to Nicodemus, a teacher of Israel (3:10), who is unable to understand earthly things, let alone heavenly things. So the first three chapters are characterized by a concern with the initial witness to Israel, and this motif now finds its fullness in this crowd's acclamation of Jesus as the King of Israel. Jesus is indeed King of Israel, and this motif now comes to the fore as the story nears its end His kingdom, however, far transcends Israel's boundaries. "What honor was it to the Lord to be King of Israel? What great thing was it to the King of eternity to become the King of men?".

The crowd is probably not aware that the line they have added to the acclamation is an echo of another passage that further contributes to the depth of revelation concerning Jesus in this story: "The Lord, the King of Israel, is with you; never again will you fear any harm"

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube
Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube

Palestine has borders? Who controls them?
It's true, Israel's military force is why the "Palestinians" don't have their own borders.

Israel's military controls Palestine's borders as a part of its occupation. However, this does not make the borders Israel's.

Israel does not need the UN's approval to make their own borders.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is Israel that has no land or borders. That is why nobody has ever found a 1948 map of Israel. There is no such place.

Israel has plenty of land. Borders too. They even have their own currency.

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhg9Ob-d0FY]"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfk4NGAhk34&feature=related]Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

Isn't that "Palestinian" propaganda cute?
That'll get your terrorist buddies their own state for sure.

 

[JStone]

Israel has plenty of land. Borders too. They even have their own currency.

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhg9Ob-d0FY]"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfk4NGAhk34&feature=related]Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

Isn't that "Palestinian" propaganda cute?
That'll get your terrorist buddies their own state for sure.

Didn't you know that King Salem was the king of Palestine?

Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Author of Ten Books on Jewish and Middle East History and Three Books on History of Jerusalem...

On August 18 Yasir Arafat, speaking as head of the Palestinian National Authority in Gaza and Jericho, told Arab youngsters at a summer camp, "Those of you who lit the intifada fire must now act as defenders of this young state, whose capital is Jerusalem. It is Bir Salem [the fountain of Salem]. Salem was one of the Canaanite Kings, one of our forefathers. This city is the capital of our children and our children's children. If not for this belief and conviction of the Palestinian nation, this people would have been erased from the face of the earth, as were so many other nations."

King Salem is a newcomer on the historical scene. No such Canaanite, Jebusite or Philistine king is known to history

And, Jesus Christ was really a muslime palesteenian martyr

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLyVU0Otlk]Arafat said Jesus was a Palestinian. Palestinian author and TV host agree. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube
Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube

Palestine has borders? Who controls them?
It's true, Israel's military force is why the "Palestinians" don't have their own borders.

Israel's military controls Palestine's borders as a part of its occupation. However, this does not make the borders Israel's.

There is no country "Palestine". "Palestine" has no borders.
Israel does.