Israel attacks civilians

Israel has plenty of land. Borders too. They even have their own currency.

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhg9Ob-d0FY]"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfk4NGAhk34&feature=related]Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

Isn't that "Palestinian" propaganda cute?
That'll get your terrorist buddies their own state for sure. :cuckoo:

Before we throw a label on that information we must determine if it is true.

From the history I have read and the documents I have seen, the Palestinians are correct.
 
Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube
Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube

Isn't that "Palestinian" propaganda cute?
That'll get your terrorist buddies their own state for sure. :cuckoo:

Before we throw a label on that information we must determine if it is true.

From the history I have read and the documents I have seen, the Palestinians are correct.

Fakestinians. :lol:

Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen :lol:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.
Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi, Italian Muslim Assembly :lol:
I believe that "Palestinian identity" is something completely artificial: it was forged as a propagandistic tool against Israel. The strange fact is that, at least here in Europe, I have never heard an Arab from the Land of Israel ("Palestine") say: "I am Palestinian."

Please remember that the so-called hero of "Palestinian independence," the pro-Nazi Grand Mufti of British Mandate Palestine, Haj Amin al-Husseini, never claimed that "Palestinians" are to be an independent people: all of his official declarations state that "Palestine must be recognized as a integral part of Syria."
ISRAEL SHOULD DECLARE OSLO NULL AND VOID (Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi August, 1998

Guy Milliere, Eminent Professor of History and Political Science, University of Paris:lol:
No one had heard of a Palestinian people before the mid-1960s. They did not exist. Israel under the British Mandate until Israel' s Independence in 1948 was called Palestine. All Jews who were born there until i948 had the word « Palestine » stamped on their passports. The current Palestinians are those Arabs who, for a variety of reasons, decided to leave the land during the 1947 War of Independence, when five countries--Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq--attacked the 600,000 people in the fledgling state of Israel the day after its birth, hoping to kill it in the crib.
The War Against Israel Goes On- by Guy Millière | dreuz.info

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJjm5K07V0]Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube[/ame]
 
Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube
Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube

Isn't that "Palestinian" propaganda cute?
That'll get your terrorist buddies their own state for sure. :cuckoo:

Before we throw a label on that information we must determine if it is true.

From the history I have read and the documents I have seen, the Palestinians are correct.

Correct, your "Palestinian" buddies are terrorists.
 
...when five countries--Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq--attacked the 600,000 people in the fledgling state of Israel the day after its birth, blah, blah, blah...

Of course that is not true.
 
Before we throw a label on that information we must determine if it is true.

From the history I have read and the documents I have seen, the Palestinians are correct.

Correct, your "Palestinian" buddies are terrorists.

Terrorist is an Israeli propaganda term. Just crap.

Burak Bekdil, Hurryet Daily News [Turkey]: Hamas Are Terrorists
Anyone who is mystified by [Turkish] Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s great quotes, like me, should remember well this one from earlier this year: “Calling [Hamas] terrorists would be disrespectful to the will of the Palestinian people.” I asked, at that time, “Which man of peace, unless from Jihad, would ally with an organization whose charter declares members to be Muslims who ‘fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors?"

I know Messrs. Erdoğan and Davutoğlu are not convinced that Hamas is a terrorist organization even though Hamas’ charter vows to annihilate a legitimate state – Israel. I know they did not link Hamas with terrorism when their darling Khaled Mashaal described the 10,000 rockets Hamas sent to Israeli territory as “modest, homemade rockets,” one of which in 2004 killed 4-year-old Afik Zahavi

I know Messrs. Erdoğan and Davutoğlu simply shrugged off the U.N.-sponsored Goldstone report, which stated: “[Hamas’s activities] constitute a deliberate attack against the civilian population. These actions would constitute war crimes and may amount to crimes against humanity ... The rocket and mortar attacks launched by armed Palestinian groups have caused terror.”

Forget all of that. Not even the Hamas statement over the killing of Osama bin Laden tainted Mr. Erdoğan’s love for Hamas: “Hamas condemns the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior, Osama bin Laden” (whose skilful operatives had once bombed Istanbul, killing mostly Muslim Turks). Last year, in this column, I wrote: “When combined into one compact idea, the picture is telling us that ... The Turkish government views as a great friend, an entity [Hamas], which views the boss of Istanbul’s bombers as a holy warrior.” Bizarre? Maybe.

How does Mr. Erdoğan really justify that Hamas is not a terrorist entity but a political party like his own when it trades a foreign soldier for terror convicts?

The Arab-Israeli exchange rate (part II) - Hurriyet Daily News
 
I know Messrs. Erdoğan and Davutoğlu are not convinced that Hamas is a terrorist organization, blah, blah, blah...

Terrorist is a political opinion not a fact.
 
I know Messrs. Erdoğan and Davutoğlu are not convinced that Hamas is a terrorist organization, blah, blah, blah...

Terrorist is a political opinion not a fact.

Hamas Condemns Killing of "Holy Warrior" bin Laden
The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas on Monday condemned the killing by U.S. forces of Osama bin Laden and mourned him as an "Arab holy warrior."
Hamas condemns killing of holy warrior bin Laden | Reuters

Hamas Praises Osama bin Laden As Holy Warrior
The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas has praised Osama bin Laden as an "Arab holy warrior" and condemned his killing by American forces in Pakistan.
Hamas praises Osama bin Laden as holy warrior | World news | guardian.co.uk

"We Desire Death Like You Desire Life"
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWIDZ7Jpdqg]Hamas - "We desire death like you desire life" - YouTube[/ame]
 
Israel has plenty of land. Borders too. They even have their own currency.

Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhg9Ob-d0FY]"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfk4NGAhk34&feature=related]Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

Isn't that "Palestinian" propaganda cute?
That'll get your terrorist buddies their own state for sure. :cuckoo:

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The state of Palestine was created and its borders defined by the League of Nations in 1922. These borders have never changed. Palestine has never "lost" any land to Israel.

The information in the above videos is correct.
 
Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube
Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube

Isn't that "Palestinian" propaganda cute?
That'll get your terrorist buddies their own state for sure. :cuckoo:

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The state of Palestine was created and its borders defined by the League of Nations in 1922. These borders have never changed. Palestine has never "lost" any land to Israel.

The information in the above videos is correct.
:bsflag:

The Romans renamed Israel "Palestina" during the Roman Empire.


Biblical Historian and Scholar Dr. Paula Fredriksen, Ph.D, History of Religion, Princeton University, Diploma in Theology, Oxford University ...
The Judean revolt against Rome was led by [Jewish messiah] Bar Kochba in 132-135 CE. The immediate causes of this rebellion are obscure. Its result was not: [Roman Emperor] Hadrian crushed the revolt and banned Jews from Judea. The Romans now designated this territory by a political neologism, "Palestine" [a Latin form of "Philistine"], in a deliberate effort to denationalize Jewish/Judean territory. And, finally, Hadrian eradicated Jewish Jerusalem, erecting upon its ruins a new pagan city, Aelia Capitolina.Augustine and the Jews: A Christian ... - Paula Fredriksen - Google Books
PBS: Paula Fredriksen...
Specializing in the history of early Christianity, Paula Fredriksen is author of two books and over a dozen articles on early Christianity. Among her numerous awards and honors are a National Endowment for the Humanities grant for University Professors and a Lady Davis Visiting Professorship of Ancient Christianity at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Her second book, From Jesus to Christ: The Origins of the New Testament Images of Jesus, received the Yale Press Governors' Award for Best Book in 1988. Fredriksen holds a Ph.D. in history of religions, ancient christianity, and Greco-Roman religions from Princeton University and a theology diploma from Oxford University. She served as historical consultant for the BBC production The Lives of Jesus and was a featured speaker and historical consultant for U.S. News and World Report's "The Life and Times of Jesus."
Biographies | From Jesus To Christ - The First Christians | FRONTLINE | PBS
 
Who told you that? It is not true. Palestine has had international borders since 1922. Israel has never had any borders. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders by military force.

"Palestine", not Israel, borders Lebanon in Palestinian Authority TV quiz for university students - YouTube
Palestinian Authority TV teaches kids that Israeli cities are "occupied" Palestine - YouTube

Isn't that "Palestinian" propaganda cute?
That'll get your terrorist buddies their own state for sure. :cuckoo:

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The state of Palestine was created and its borders defined by the League of Nations in 1922. These borders have never changed. Palestine has never "lost" any land to Israel.

The information in the above videos is correct.

I guess your terrorist buddies should take their complaint to the League of Nations instead of firing rockets at Israeli school buses, eh?
 
the romans renamed israel "palestina" during the roman empire.

bfd!

Israel.

Biblical Historian and Scholar Dr. Paula Fredriksen, Ph.D, History of Religion, Princeton University, Diploma in Theology, Oxford University ...
The Judean revolt against Rome was led by [Jewish messiah] Bar Kochba in 132-135 CE. The immediate causes of this rebellion are obscure. Its result was not: [Roman Emperor] Hadrian crushed the revolt and banned Jews from Judea. The Romans now designated this territory by a political neologism, "Palestine" [a Latin form of "Philistine"], in a deliberate effort to denationalize Jewish/Judean territory. And, finally, Hadrian eradicated Jewish Jerusalem, erecting upon its ruins a new pagan city, Aelia Capitolina.Augustine and the Jews: A Christian ... - Paula Fredriksen - Google Books
PBS: Paula Fredriksen...
Specializing in the history of early Christianity, Paula Fredriksen is author of two books and over a dozen articles on early Christianity. Among her numerous awards and honors are a National Endowment for the Humanities grant for University Professors and a Lady Davis Visiting Professorship of Ancient Christianity at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Her second book, From Jesus to Christ: The Origins of the New Testament Images of Jesus, received the Yale Press Governors' Award for Best Book in 1988. Fredriksen holds a Ph.D. in history of religions, ancient christianity, and Greco-Roman religions from Princeton University and a theology diploma from Oxford University. She served as historical consultant for the BBC production The Lives of Jesus and was a featured speaker and historical consultant for U.S. News and World Report's "The Life and Times of Jesus."
Biographies | From Jesus To Christ - The First Christians | FRONTLINE | PBS
Israel appears in the Bible 2000+ times. Palestine, not once.
Exodus 34:27: Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”
Samuel 13:1: Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty two years
Jesus was King of Israel, not "Palestine"

Jesus Christ, King of Israel ...
John 12:12-13 The next day the great crowd that had come for the Feast heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. They took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
John 1:49: Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."
Jesus Enters Jerusalem as King of Israel John 12 Commentary - Jesus Enters Jerusalem as King of Israel - BibleGateway.com
Passover was one of the three feasts that Jews were supposed to attend in Jerusalem, and consequently the population of Jerusalem swelled enormously at this time. As this great crowd is beginning to gather from around Israel and the larger world of the diaspora, news about Jesus is spreading, and people are wondering whether he will come to the feast. On Sunday, the day after the party in Bethany at which Mary anointed Jesus, news arrives that Jesus is on his way to Jerusalem, and a crowd of pilgrims, presumably those who had been wondering if he would come, goes out to meet him. Mary's private expression of emotion is now matched by the crowd's public outpouring of enthusiasm.
They shout Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!. These are lines from one of the Psalms of Ascents sung as a welcome to pilgrims coming up to Jerusalem. As such, this is an entirely appropriate thing to do as Jesus is coming up to Jerusalem. The cry of Hosanna! is a Hebrew word (hoshi`ah-na) that had become a greeting or shout of praise but that actually meant "Save!" or "Help!". The cry of Hosanna! and the palm branches are in themselves somewhat ambiguous, but their import is made clear as the crowd adds a further line, Blessed is the King of Israel! (v. 13). Clearly they see in Jesus the answer to their nationalistic, messianic hopes. Earlier a crowd had wanted to make Jesus king (6:15), and now this crowd is recognizing him as king in the city of the great King. Here is the great dream of a Davidic ruler who would come and liberate Israel, establishing peace and subduing the Gentiles (cf. Psalms of Solomon 17:21-25).

John the Baptist's witness to Israel (1:31) finds its initial response in the confession of Nathanael, a true Israelite (1:47), when Nathanael confesses Jesus to be the Son of God, the King of Israel (1:49). Nathanael stands in marked contrast to Nicodemus, a teacher of Israel (3:10), who is unable to understand earthly things, let alone heavenly things. So the first three chapters are characterized by a concern with the initial witness to Israel, and this motif now finds its fullness in this crowd's acclamation of Jesus as the King of Israel. Jesus is indeed King of Israel, and this motif now comes to the fore as the story nears its end His kingdom, however, far transcends Israel's boundaries. "What honor was it to the Lord to be King of Israel? What great thing was it to the King of eternity to become the King of men?".

The crowd is probably not aware that the line they have added to the acclamation is an echo of another passage that further contributes to the depth of revelation concerning Jesus in this story: "The Lord, the King of Israel, is with you; never again will you fear any harm"
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