Israel Defines Humanity

they elected a terrorist group to lead them FFS. Fucking savages
What terrorist group. What makes them a terrorist group. The head ones of Hamas actually do have roots there and were born there.

"is hamas a terrorist group?" LMAO ok

Why do you say they are? I'll tell you why, the same reason Hezbollah is, because Israel says they are.

Penny---can you provide an interpretation of your last post?
Are you suggesting that Israel invented HEZBOLLAH?

What I'm saying is anyone who even Israel thinks is a perceived threat is a terrorist, it does not matter if they are just defending themselves against Israel, because Israel begins every fight.







And why haven't you produced the evidence to back up your claims, only a LIAR would be so brazen about their racism and Jew hatred
 
So true! But it is only a mockery of SOHR. Read yourself! And can you provide a link to this nonsense statement?

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"Hi! I am Washington Bob from Britain! When ever I had a nightmare of Bashar you will read Barrel Bomb news in your newpaper the next morning. I love al-Qaeda and suicide attacks, behadings, rape, murder, torture and plunder. What I don´t like are barrels. I really hate barrels! Barrels of the essence of evil which is Bashar. Bashar makes many barrels every day. Barrels of Bashar contain a lot of stuff like Coke and beer. But also he does pork into barrels and labels them "humanitarian aid" when they are dropped on the neighborhoods. The mixture of Coke, beer and pork is quite explosive. When ever a fellow rebel encounters these infidel elements, he gets very angry and launches his suicide belt. This has caused many civilian casualties for which I hold Bashar responsible. This is my cause, please donate."

For all the others: It is utter bullshit, no personal details can be submitted, no account to donate to is named.







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That is the address that comes up when your click on your site, and this is what my anti-virus comes up with
McAffe is wrong. Everybody can see there are no forms to submit data into and there is no account to donate to. Maybe, it is just because you falsely reported the page abusing the system and it will be solved soon.






I reported nothing, that is what came up the first time I tried to go there. Your site has been hacked and used for illegal purposes
Nope. Since there are no forms and no account to donate, only malware could be possible.
But no AV program, including McAfee finds anything.
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There is something there or it would not be flagged as being dangerous
Once they check, the warning will be removed. "Possible threat".
 
You hate Israel as your many posts state.
This post?

"Israel has the right to exist and defend itself."
Israel Defines Humanity






Even against Syria when it sends weapons to hezbollah to initiate an attack on Israel ?
Hezbollah defends Lebanon form Israeli aggressions. The transfer of weapons is not an act of aggression. Lebanon has the right to exist and to defend itself.







Hezbollah are the invaders and are the ones doing the most killings. Yes Lebanon has, but islamonazi terrorist insurgents dont. They are no different to daesh in Syria
Nope. Another of your lies. ISIS grants no secularity and freedom and elections to the people. Hezbollah does. Hezbollah supports the current government even despite it wants to get rid of Hezbollah. Hezbollah is the pillar of sanity in Lebanon. What killings do you mean, by the way.






Yep just like peas in a pod as hezbollah is just like daesh, and has massacred hundreds of Christians, evicted them from their homes and are behind the assassinations of politicians. Reported widely in the press not that long ago, and they dont deny doing it.
 
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That is the address that comes up when your click on your site, and this is what my anti-virus comes up with
McAffe is wrong. Everybody can see there are no forms to submit data into and there is no account to donate to. Maybe, it is just because you falsely reported the page abusing the system and it will be solved soon.






I reported nothing, that is what came up the first time I tried to go there. Your site has been hacked and used for illegal purposes
Nope. Since there are no forms and no account to donate, only malware could be possible.
But no AV program, including McAfee finds anything.
Scan report for http://sobb.us.gg/ at 2016-08-23 16:11:35 UTC - VirusTotal





There is something there or it would not be flagged as being dangerous
Once they check, the warning will be removed. "Possible threat".







Have you sent them an email yet as only you can get this lifted
 
phoen you are speaking to a person who truly believes that
Hezbollah's prime directive------the annihilation of every brain that resides in the head of a jew in the middle east.----is HIGHLY NOBLE--------As a Baathist he so believes------when push comes to shove------and it turns out that the next set of brains to go---will be those in the heads of every sunni ----he might still support
THE CAUSE
 
"is hamas a terrorist group?" LMAO ok

Why do you say they are? I'll tell you why, the same reason Hezbollah is, because Israel says they are.

Penny---can you provide an interpretation of your last post?
Are you suggesting that Israel invented HEZBOLLAH?

What I'm saying is anyone who even Israel thinks is a perceived threat is a terrorist, it does not matter if they are just defending themselves against Israel, because Israel begins every fight.[/QUOTE

Try again Please define "perceived threat" and how anyone would know what the other anyone "thinks"?. Also in the next clause in your run-on sentence ---to whom does
the "they" refer in the .....are just defending themselves against Israel..? AS to ".... Israel begins every fight,.."
can you provide examples?

Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade






Already proven to be an islamonazi LIE, as it was in responce to illegal weapons and war crimes. Very soon the UN will turn on hamas and start imposing sanctions, then what will they do without all that UN money ?
 
Why do you say they are? I'll tell you why, the same reason Hezbollah is, because Israel says they are.

Penny---can you provide an interpretation of your last post?
Are you suggesting that Israel invented HEZBOLLAH?

What I'm saying is anyone who even Israel thinks is a perceived threat is a terrorist, it does not matter if they are just defending themselves against Israel, because Israel begins every fight.[/QUOTE

Try again Please define "perceived threat" and how anyone would know what the other anyone "thinks"?. Also in the next clause in your run-on sentence ---to whom does
the "they" refer in the .....are just defending themselves against Israel..? AS to ".... Israel begins every fight,.."
can you provide examples?

Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade






Already proven to be an islamonazi LIE, as it was in responce to illegal weapons and war crimes. Very soon the UN will turn on hamas and start imposing sanctions, then what will they do without all that UN money ?

are you calling the bombing of the civilian residential city----generally of lower-middle class people------SDEROT ---"not legal" phoen?--------you find something wrong with random nail bombs on the heads of children playing in the fields?
 
Preventing free speech is a defining characteristic of Nazis...Islamo or other.

"Hamas, Palestinian Authority Target Journalists Ahead of Election
by Khaled Abu Toameh • August 23, 2016 at 5:00 am

  • Both of the journalists who were arrested made the mistake of reporting on the suffering of Palestinians living under Hamas rule. These are not the kind of stories that Hamas wishes to see ahead of the local and municipal elections. Rather, Hamas wants to see printed lies of prosperity.

  • It is a puzzle why foreign journalists choose not to report about the campaign of intimidation facing their Palestinian colleagues.

  • One might wonder if the human rights groups neglect these abuses because of their continued obsession with destroying Israel.


  • nAVXd-4_rZqxZM4p-JpzZ0QnGeNtr3fjqJh8q5dGNeMgOje7IYUvP51xaXCdV_g4CogcQase2Y5QJWTqq1sS3qakwaxiyPIUnqFe9Q=s0-d-e1-ft

  • Ahmed Said (left) and Mahmoud Abu Awwad (right) are two journalists living in the Gaza Strip who were recently arrested by Hamas security forces. Both journalists made the mistake of reporting on the suffering of Palestinians living under Hamas rule."
  • Hamas, Palestinian Authority Target Journalists Ahead of Election


QED...Hamas and PA......Islamonazis.

chic----journalists protect their opportunities----even in the USA----there are journalists and interviewers that strive mightily to keep their viablility be being able to --ENTER---
islamo Nazi areas and interview islamo Nazi arabs. No
journalist with an interest in GETTING INTO GAZA is going
to criticize HAMAS

"No journalist with an interest in GETTING INTO GAZA is going
to criticize HAMAS"


You should read more carefully.



THEY LiVE IN GAZA.

No politician in the US dares to 'criticize Israel, not the President or even the Pope or any high official of any other country without being called to Israel or reprimanded and made to apologize. If an American journalist spoke anything anti Israel that would mean their job.



Since when has the Pope been an American politician. The Pope made remarks about Israel to the extent that they killed his God and nothing happened. Many journo's make anti Israeli posts and nothing happens. Stop listening to the lies of your imam
 
Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade
Agreed that, over the past few years, some of Israel's reactions have been overreactions, but after being under constant attack for almost 70 years, when can a nation say "Enough is enough"?

Do you deny Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists often use meat shields? Do you deny they've often set up rocket launch points near or atop hospitals, mosques and schools knowing the Israelis would counter-attack with a rocket of their own?

Yes lets see, you have a few mins to run, too bad we have you all fenced in. No where to go. Israel has them in a prison, that is like saying,

Run prisoners , we are going to bomb inside the prison. Get real.







So says hamas who control the crossing points and the tunnels. If the arab muslim left gaza who would hamas have to protect their illegal weapons ?
 
Preventing free speech is a defining characteristic of Nazis...Islamo or other.

"Hamas, Palestinian Authority Target Journalists Ahead of Election
by Khaled Abu Toameh • August 23, 2016 at 5:00 am

  • Both of the journalists who were arrested made the mistake of reporting on the suffering of Palestinians living under Hamas rule. These are not the kind of stories that Hamas wishes to see ahead of the local and municipal elections. Rather, Hamas wants to see printed lies of prosperity.

  • It is a puzzle why foreign journalists choose not to report about the campaign of intimidation facing their Palestinian colleagues.

  • One might wonder if the human rights groups neglect these abuses because of their continued obsession with destroying Israel.


  • nAVXd-4_rZqxZM4p-JpzZ0QnGeNtr3fjqJh8q5dGNeMgOje7IYUvP51xaXCdV_g4CogcQase2Y5QJWTqq1sS3qakwaxiyPIUnqFe9Q=s0-d-e1-ft

  • Ahmed Said (left) and Mahmoud Abu Awwad (right) are two journalists living in the Gaza Strip who were recently arrested by Hamas security forces. Both journalists made the mistake of reporting on the suffering of Palestinians living under Hamas rule."
  • Hamas, Palestinian Authority Target Journalists Ahead of Election


QED...Hamas and PA......Islamonazis.

chic----journalists protect their opportunities----even in the USA----there are journalists and interviewers that strive mightily to keep their viablility be being able to --ENTER---
islamo Nazi areas and interview islamo Nazi arabs. No
journalist with an interest in GETTING INTO GAZA is going
to criticize HAMAS

"No journalist with an interest in GETTING INTO GAZA is going
to criticize HAMAS"


You should read more carefully.



THEY LiVE IN GAZA.

No politician in the US dares to 'criticize Israel, not the President or even the Pope or any high official of any other country without being called to Israel or reprimanded and made to apologize. If an American journalist spoke anything anti Israel that would mean their job.


Perhaps you should consider the reason.....they are battling 7th century savages all around them.

But you are wrong about Barack Hussein Obama (the most merciful) who has proven to be an enemy of the tiny state.

Recall this?

"Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama"
By Susan Jones | October 15, 2008 | 8:20 AM EDT
Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama


And, of course, it was true.

Good for Pres. Obama to not be a pansy for Netanyahu, wish others would take his lead. No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land , what is left of it.







When was it signed over to them, and who signed it over ?
 
chic----journalists protect their opportunities----even in the USA----there are journalists and interviewers that strive mightily to keep their viablility be being able to --ENTER---
islamo Nazi areas and interview islamo Nazi arabs. No
journalist with an interest in GETTING INTO GAZA is going
to criticize HAMAS

"No journalist with an interest in GETTING INTO GAZA is going
to criticize HAMAS"


You should read more carefully.



THEY LiVE IN GAZA.

No politician in the US dares to 'criticize Israel, not the President or even the Pope or any high official of any other country without being called to Israel or reprimanded and made to apologize. If an American journalist spoke anything anti Israel that would mean their job.


Perhaps you should consider the reason.....they are battling 7th century savages all around them.

But you are wrong about Barack Hussein Obama (the most merciful) who has proven to be an enemy of the tiny state.

Recall this?

"Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama"
By Susan Jones | October 15, 2008 | 8:20 AM EDT
Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama


And, of course, it was true.

Good for Pres. Obama to not be a pansy for Netanyahu, wish others would take his lead. No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land , what is left of it.


"No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land..."

But, as you learned earlier, it isn't their land.....it was sold to the Jewish folks.

See the error of your view?

No it was not. Its being stole, since the beginning and ongoing.
 
Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade
Agreed that, over the past few years, some of Israel's reactions have been overreactions, but after being under constant attack for almost 70 years, when can a nation say "Enough is enough"?

Do you deny Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists often use meat shields? Do you deny they've often set up rocket launch points near or atop hospitals, mosques and schools knowing the Israelis would counter-attack with a rocket of their own?

Yes lets see, you have a few mins to run, too bad we have you all fenced in. No where to go. Israel has them in a prison, that is like saying,

Run prisoners , we are going to bomb inside the prison. Get real.


Y'know, the police keep chasing folks who rob banks.

See if you note the similar aspect......

Israel is doing the robbing.







You cant steal what is yours by LAW
 
Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade
Agreed that, over the past few years, some of Israel's reactions have been overreactions, but after being under constant attack for almost 70 years, when can a nation say "Enough is enough"?

Do you deny Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists often use meat shields? Do you deny they've often set up rocket launch points near or atop hospitals, mosques and schools knowing the Israelis would counter-attack with a rocket of their own?

Yes lets see, you have a few mins to run, too bad we have you all fenced in. No where to go. Israel has them in a prison, that is like saying,

Run prisoners , we are going to bomb inside the prison. Get real.


Y'know, the police keep chasing folks who rob banks.

See if you note the similar aspect......

our dear penny is into "PARROT ISLAMO NAZI SHIT" again-----Gazans are IMPRISONED ------they cannot get out----despite the fact that their largest borders are with EGYPT not Israel -----and they have a significant coast line ---AND they have deep tunnels ---miles and miles ---large enough so that trucks can be driven thru and-----many of which tunnel into both Israel and Egypt-----but somehow they are STUCK---
they are all behind bars and barbed wire

apparently you don't know about the southern boarder of Gaza. Also SiSi is in Israel's pocket.
 
Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade
Agreed that, over the past few years, some of Israel's reactions have been overreactions, but after being under constant attack for almost 70 years, when can a nation say "Enough is enough"?

Do you deny Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists often use meat shields? Do you deny they've often set up rocket launch points near or atop hospitals, mosques and schools knowing the Israelis would counter-attack with a rocket of their own?

Yes lets see, you have a few mins to run, too bad we have you all fenced in. No where to go. Israel has them in a prison, that is like saying,

Run prisoners , we are going to bomb inside the prison. Get real.







So says hamas who control the crossing points and the tunnels. If the arab muslim left gaza who would hamas have to protect their illegal weapons ?

the reality is-----A gazan would have a better chance doing an illegal foray into Israel and SURVIVING than if he decided to
foray into EGYPT-----against the will of the Egyptians-----don't tell anyway-------especially penny------she might not be able to cope
 
"No journalist with an interest in GETTING INTO GAZA is going
to criticize HAMAS"


You should read more carefully.



THEY LiVE IN GAZA.

No politician in the US dares to 'criticize Israel, not the President or even the Pope or any high official of any other country without being called to Israel or reprimanded and made to apologize. If an American journalist spoke anything anti Israel that would mean their job.


Perhaps you should consider the reason.....they are battling 7th century savages all around them.

But you are wrong about Barack Hussein Obama (the most merciful) who has proven to be an enemy of the tiny state.

Recall this?

"Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama"
By Susan Jones | October 15, 2008 | 8:20 AM EDT
Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama


And, of course, it was true.

Good for Pres. Obama to not be a pansy for Netanyahu, wish others would take his lead. No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land , what is left of it.


"No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land..."

But, as you learned earlier, it isn't their land.....it was sold to the Jewish folks.

See the error of your view?

No it was not. Its being stole, since the beginning and ongoing.






So when did the illegal immigrant arab muslims have the land signed over to them. The Ottomans never did as they could not get them to stay there. The LoN gave them trans Jordan at the same time they gave the Jews their national home. The UN never had the authority so you are spreading a LIE and a LIBEL to racially attack the Jews
 
Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade
Agreed that, over the past few years, some of Israel's reactions have been overreactions, but after being under constant attack for almost 70 years, when can a nation say "Enough is enough"?

Do you deny Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists often use meat shields? Do you deny they've often set up rocket launch points near or atop hospitals, mosques and schools knowing the Israelis would counter-attack with a rocket of their own?

Yes lets see, you have a few mins to run, too bad we have you all fenced in. No where to go. Israel has them in a prison, that is like saying,

Run prisoners , we are going to bomb inside the prison. Get real.


Y'know, the police keep chasing folks who rob banks.

See if you note the similar aspect......

our dear penny is into "PARROT ISLAMO NAZI SHIT" again-----Gazans are IMPRISONED ------they cannot get out----despite the fact that their largest borders are with EGYPT not Israel -----and they have a significant coast line ---AND they have deep tunnels ---miles and miles ---large enough so that trucks can be driven thru and-----many of which tunnel into both Israel and Egypt-----but somehow they are STUCK---
they are all behind bars and barbed wire

apparently you don't know about the southern boarder of Gaza. Also SiSi is in Israel's pocket.

apparently you have no idea as to the geography of Gaza-----the southern border is not its only border-----it is wide open to
EGYPT and the SEA----how much BORDER do people need to WALK OUT into the arms of their loving bretheren---how many miles of deep wide tunnels are needed to ----get into
the arms of ones loving bretheren?
 
"No journalist with an interest in GETTING INTO GAZA is going
to criticize HAMAS"


You should read more carefully.



THEY LiVE IN GAZA.

No politician in the US dares to 'criticize Israel, not the President or even the Pope or any high official of any other country without being called to Israel or reprimanded and made to apologize. If an American journalist spoke anything anti Israel that would mean their job.


Perhaps you should consider the reason.....they are battling 7th century savages all around them.

But you are wrong about Barack Hussein Obama (the most merciful) who has proven to be an enemy of the tiny state.

Recall this?

"Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama"
By Susan Jones | October 15, 2008 | 8:20 AM EDT
Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama


And, of course, it was true.

Good for Pres. Obama to not be a pansy for Netanyahu, wish others would take his lead. No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land , what is left of it.


"No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land..."

But, as you learned earlier, it isn't their land.....it was sold to the Jewish folks.

See the error of your view?

No it was not. Its being stole, since the beginning and ongoing.


Yet, I proved otherwise....have you forgotten?

Take notes:

One would expect to see commonplace examples of Jews stealing, strong-arming, swindling, blackmailing; basically resorting to any trick up their sleeve to pry land out of Arab hands. In reality, the Jewish technique of accumulating land was simple ... they bought it. Both the concern and the complaints of Jews dispossessing Arabs centered on how much land the Jews were purchasing, not stealing, from land owners:

  • The British investigation into the Arab riots during 1936-39 identifies "Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land"1, not Jewish theft of land, as one of the motivating factors.

  • "Conversely, the main Ottoman and Arab complaint against the Zionists was about land sales..."2

  • "Meanwhile, Jewish land purchase continued apace, exacerbating Palestinian disquiet."3

  • "Arab discontent on account of Jewish immigration and the sale of lands to Jews which has been a permanent feature of political opinion in Palestine for the past ten years, began to show signs of renewed activity from the beginning of 1933, developing in intensity until it reached a climax in the riots of October and November."4

  • "In the beginning of the 1930s, the national value of the land and its transfer from one people to the other became one of the main issues in the political conflict between the two communities. The Arabs insisted that His Majesty's Government put an end to land purchase by the Jews, claiming that it threatened their national existence."5

  • "Though they had profited from the enhanced trade and employment opportunities generated by the new Jewish settlements, Palestinian Arabs had grown increasingly concerned about the rise of Jewish immigration and land purchases."
6

  • "An article published in July 1911 by Mustafa Effendi Tamr, a teacher of mathematics at a Jerusalem school" reads, "You are selling the property of your fathers and grandfathers for a pittance to people who will have no pity on you, to those who will act to expel you and expunge your memory from your habitations and disperse you among the nations. This is a crime that will be recorded in your names in history, a black stain and disgrace that your descendants will bear, which will not be expunged even after years and eras have gone by. ... Opposition to land sales was one of the principal focal points around which the Arab national idea in Palestine coalesced."
7

  • "Of course, the Zionists bought the land from Arab landholders, who moved to cities or even left the country. They were all too willing to sell, for the price paid by the purchasers was often many times more than anyone else would or could pay."
32

  • King Abdallah of Jordan complains several times in his memoirs about Jews acquiring land in Palestine. Not once does he accuse the Jews of stealing it from the Arabs. Each time he mentions it, the complaint is how much land they are buying:
    • "... the fears of the Arab political leaders are supported by the fact that the sale of land continues unrestricted and every day one piece of land after another is torn from the hands of the Arabs.
8

  • "According to my information the Jews have requested the continuance of the mandate so that they can buy up more land and bring in additional immigrants. No other country has gone through such a trial as Palestine."
9

  • "Or are you among those who believe that there is no harm in continuing the present deleterious mandate despite the Jewish usurpers it has brought and despite the demonstrated inability of those Palestinians now at the political helm to prevent their compatriots from selling their land? Furthermore, it is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping."
10


  • "‘Know each of you that in the end every Arab who sells land of the Arab patrimony or who pimps for the Jews will soon receive his due, which is certain death.’ The placards were signed by an organization calling itself ‘Revenge.’ ‘Our problem is the outcome of the sale of our land. The amazing thing is that we sell to the Jews and then scream and wail and ask for the government’s help,’"11

  • "The land policy of the Zionist movement in the pre-state era was based on purchase of land on the open market by Jewish institutions (mainly the JNF) and subsequent freezing of the ownership so as to ensure that the purchased land would be in Jewish hands in perpetuity."33



Not only was the land being legally purchased, it was being purchased at drastically inflated prices. Arab land owners were making a killing selling their land during the waves of Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the animosity against selling land to Jews coming from elitist Arabs, it simply made good economic sense for landlords to sell while they could exploit the thriving market Jewish demand was creating. Sometimes the land being purchased was nothing more than sand dune, malarial swamps and marshes, or other unattractive plots of waste. Even so, it was payday for many landlords; a day many hadn't seen in a long time and one that wouldn't come again:

  • "Until 1936 ... the Jews acquired about 25,000 dunam in the Beit-Shean Valley ... The soil was of the poorest quality, in scattered parcels of land, and it was impossible to establish even one settlement on it. The Jewish purchasers paid the full price for these lands; in addition the Government compelled them to cover all the outstanding debts that the sellers had accumulated. (In most cases not one penny of these bad debts had been paid for years.)"12

  • "The Jewish authorities have nothing with which to reproach themselves in the matter of the Sursock lands. They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."13

  • "He [the Arab] may sell his land for a fantastic price and add to the congestion in the other zones by moving there. An Arab living a short distance away, just across the zone boundary, cannot obtain anything approximating the same sum for land of equal quality.”14

  • "The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. “In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."15

  • "The settlers were ready to pay much more than the economic value of the land. The same or better land is available a few kilometers to the east or north of the Palestine frontiers at one tenth or less of the Palestinian price."16

  • “Between 1880 and 1914 over sixty thousand Jews entered Palestine … Many settled on wasteland, sand-dunes and malarial marsh, which they then drained, irrigated and farmed. In 1909 a group of Jews founded the first entirely Jewish town, Tel Aviv, on the sandhills north of Jaffa. The Jews purchased their land piecemeal, from European, Turkish and (principally) Arab landlords, mostly at extremely high prices.”17

  • “By 1925 over 2,600 Jews had settled in the [Jezreel] valley, and 3,000 acres of barren hillside had been afforested. This previously uncultivated land, bought at highly inflated prices, became the pattern of all subsequent Jewish National Fund settlements in Palestine.”18

  • "In his 'note of reservations' to the Report of the Woodhead Commission, Sir Alison Russel says: 'It does not appear to me that to permit an Arab to sell his land for three or four times its value, and to go with the money to a different part of the Arab world where land is cheap, can be said to "prejudice" his rights and position.'"19

  • "The average price paid by Jews for the rural land they bought in Palestine during 1944 amounted to over $1000 per acre or about $250 per dunam (including the value of buildings, orchards and other improvements). These prices are, of course, highly inflated …"20

  • "... land brokers sometimes purchased their shares or parcels at a very low price and sold them at ten and twenty multiples to Jewish buyers. Peasants who were in musha' villages were particularly incensed at landlords, land brokers, or agents after learning that they had been swindled."21

  • "Aharon Danin of KKL told of an interesting conversation he had at the beginning of the 1940s with Khaled Zu’bi (brother of Sayf al-Din), who helped him buy land in the Zu’biyya villages east of Nazareth: He [Zu’bi] said, ‘Look, who knows better than me that your work is pure. You pay money for everything, top dollar, many times more than what the land is worth. But that doesn’t change the fact that you are dispossessing us. You are dispossessing us with money, not by force, but the fact is that we are leaving the land.’ I say to him: ‘You are from this Zu’biyya tribe which is located here, in Transjordan, and in Syria, what difference does it make to you where you are, if you are here or if you and your family are there? …’ He said: ‘It’s hard for me to tell you, but in any case the graves of my forefathers are here. I feel that we are leaving this place. It’s our fault and not yours.’"30
Footnotes:
1 Great Britain, and William Robert Wellesley Peel Peel. Palestine Royal Commission Report. London: H.M. Stationery Office, 1937.
2 Western Imperialism in the Middle East 1914 - 1958 by D. K. Fieldhouse, Pg. 125
3 Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond by David McDowall, Pg. 23
4 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
5 "The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine" by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 199.
6 Oren, Michael. Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the PresentPg. 368
7 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 45
8 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 81. In a letter written to the High Commissioner for Transjordan, Sir Arthur Wauchope on July 25, 1934.
9 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 88. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
10 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pp. 88-89. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
11 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 219-220.
12 Avneri, Aryeh L. The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs 1878-1948. Efal, Israel: Yad Tabenkin, 1982. 168.
13 Hope Simpson Report, Pg. 51
14 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Chapter I
15 Bard, Mitchell G. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. 2006. 19.
16 Jewish Colonisataion and Arab Development in Palestine by David Horowitz, Central Zionist Archives, Record Group S90/File 76, 7 October 1945
17 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 3.
18 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 12.
19 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 101
20 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 112
21 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
22 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
23 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
24 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 197.
25 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 215.
26 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 14
27 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 83
28 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 225.
29 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 173.
30 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 200.
Middle East Piece - Jewish Land Purchase and Dispossession



So....you won't be using that 'stolen land' fabrication again, huh?
 
Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade
Agreed that, over the past few years, some of Israel's reactions have been overreactions, but after being under constant attack for almost 70 years, when can a nation say "Enough is enough"?

Do you deny Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists often use meat shields? Do you deny they've often set up rocket launch points near or atop hospitals, mosques and schools knowing the Israelis would counter-attack with a rocket of their own?

Yes lets see, you have a few mins to run, too bad we have you all fenced in. No where to go. Israel has them in a prison, that is like saying,

Run prisoners , we are going to bomb inside the prison. Get real.


Y'know, the police keep chasing folks who rob banks.

See if you note the similar aspect......

our dear penny is into "PARROT ISLAMO NAZI SHIT" again-----Gazans are IMPRISONED ------they cannot get out----despite the fact that their largest borders are with EGYPT not Israel -----and they have a significant coast line ---AND they have deep tunnels ---miles and miles ---large enough so that trucks can be driven thru and-----many of which tunnel into both Israel and Egypt-----but somehow they are STUCK---
they are all behind bars and barbed wire

apparently you don't know about the southern boarder of Gaza. Also SiSi is in Israel's pocket.


And you in whose pocket?

So....did you finish 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' yet?
 
Personally I believe most of Israel attacks are for no reason but for perceived threat best to read this post,
Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade
Agreed that, over the past few years, some of Israel's reactions have been overreactions, but after being under constant attack for almost 70 years, when can a nation say "Enough is enough"?

Do you deny Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists often use meat shields? Do you deny they've often set up rocket launch points near or atop hospitals, mosques and schools knowing the Israelis would counter-attack with a rocket of their own?

Yes lets see, you have a few mins to run, too bad we have you all fenced in. No where to go. Israel has them in a prison, that is like saying,

Run prisoners , we are going to bomb inside the prison. Get real.


Y'know, the police keep chasing folks who rob banks.

See if you note the similar aspect......

our dear penny is into "PARROT ISLAMO NAZI SHIT" again-----Gazans are IMPRISONED ------they cannot get out----despite the fact that their largest borders are with EGYPT not Israel -----and they have a significant coast line ---AND they have deep tunnels ---miles and miles ---large enough so that trucks can be driven thru and-----many of which tunnel into both Israel and Egypt-----but somehow they are STUCK---
they are all behind bars and barbed wire

apparently you don't know about the southern boarder of Gaza. Also SiSi is in Israel's pocket.






Have you looked at a map lately ?
 
Agreed that, over the past few years, some of Israel's reactions have been overreactions, but after being under constant attack for almost 70 years, when can a nation say "Enough is enough"?

Do you deny Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists often use meat shields? Do you deny they've often set up rocket launch points near or atop hospitals, mosques and schools knowing the Israelis would counter-attack with a rocket of their own?

Yes lets see, you have a few mins to run, too bad we have you all fenced in. No where to go. Israel has them in a prison, that is like saying,

Run prisoners , we are going to bomb inside the prison. Get real.


Y'know, the police keep chasing folks who rob banks.

See if you note the similar aspect......

our dear penny is into "PARROT ISLAMO NAZI SHIT" again-----Gazans are IMPRISONED ------they cannot get out----despite the fact that their largest borders are with EGYPT not Israel -----and they have a significant coast line ---AND they have deep tunnels ---miles and miles ---large enough so that trucks can be driven thru and-----many of which tunnel into both Israel and Egypt-----but somehow they are STUCK---
they are all behind bars and barbed wire

apparently you don't know about the southern boarder of Gaza. Also SiSi is in Israel's pocket.


And you in whose pocket?

So....did you finish 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' yet?

No politician in the US dares to 'criticize Israel, not the President or even the Pope or any high official of any other country without being called to Israel or reprimanded and made to apologize. If an American journalist spoke anything anti Israel that would mean their job.


Perhaps you should consider the reason.....they are battling 7th century savages all around them.

But you are wrong about Barack Hussein Obama (the most merciful) who has proven to be an enemy of the tiny state.

Recall this?

"Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama"
By Susan Jones | October 15, 2008 | 8:20 AM EDT
Jesse Jackson Says ‘Zionists’ Would Lose Influence Under Obama


And, of course, it was true.

Good for Pres. Obama to not be a pansy for Netanyahu, wish others would take his lead. No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land , what is left of it.


"No the Zionist are the intruders, the Palestinians are defending their land..."

But, as you learned earlier, it isn't their land.....it was sold to the Jewish folks.

See the error of your view?

No it was not. Its being stole, since the beginning and ongoing.


Yet, I proved otherwise....have you forgotten?

Take notes:

One would expect to see commonplace examples of Jews stealing, strong-arming, swindling, blackmailing; basically resorting to any trick up their sleeve to pry land out of Arab hands. In reality, the Jewish technique of accumulating land was simple ... they bought it. Both the concern and the complaints of Jews dispossessing Arabs centered on how much land the Jews were purchasing, not stealing, from land owners:

  • The British investigation into the Arab riots during 1936-39 identifies "Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land"1, not Jewish theft of land, as one of the motivating factors.

  • "Conversely, the main Ottoman and Arab complaint against the Zionists was about land sales..."2

  • "Meanwhile, Jewish land purchase continued apace, exacerbating Palestinian disquiet."3

  • "Arab discontent on account of Jewish immigration and the sale of lands to Jews which has been a permanent feature of political opinion in Palestine for the past ten years, began to show signs of renewed activity from the beginning of 1933, developing in intensity until it reached a climax in the riots of October and November."4

  • "In the beginning of the 1930s, the national value of the land and its transfer from one people to the other became one of the main issues in the political conflict between the two communities. The Arabs insisted that His Majesty's Government put an end to land purchase by the Jews, claiming that it threatened their national existence."5

  • "Though they had profited from the enhanced trade and employment opportunities generated by the new Jewish settlements, Palestinian Arabs had grown increasingly concerned about the rise of Jewish immigration and land purchases."
6

  • "An article published in July 1911 by Mustafa Effendi Tamr, a teacher of mathematics at a Jerusalem school" reads, "You are selling the property of your fathers and grandfathers for a pittance to people who will have no pity on you, to those who will act to expel you and expunge your memory from your habitations and disperse you among the nations. This is a crime that will be recorded in your names in history, a black stain and disgrace that your descendants will bear, which will not be expunged even after years and eras have gone by. ... Opposition to land sales was one of the principal focal points around which the Arab national idea in Palestine coalesced."
7

  • "Of course, the Zionists bought the land from Arab landholders, who moved to cities or even left the country. They were all too willing to sell, for the price paid by the purchasers was often many times more than anyone else would or could pay."
32

  • King Abdallah of Jordan complains several times in his memoirs about Jews acquiring land in Palestine. Not once does he accuse the Jews of stealing it from the Arabs. Each time he mentions it, the complaint is how much land they are buying:
    • "... the fears of the Arab political leaders are supported by the fact that the sale of land continues unrestricted and every day one piece of land after another is torn from the hands of the Arabs.
8

  • "According to my information the Jews have requested the continuance of the mandate so that they can buy up more land and bring in additional immigrants. No other country has gone through such a trial as Palestine."
9

  • "Or are you among those who believe that there is no harm in continuing the present deleterious mandate despite the Jewish usurpers it has brought and despite the demonstrated inability of those Palestinians now at the political helm to prevent their compatriots from selling their land? Furthermore, it is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping."
10


  • "‘Know each of you that in the end every Arab who sells land of the Arab patrimony or who pimps for the Jews will soon receive his due, which is certain death.’ The placards were signed by an organization calling itself ‘Revenge.’ ‘Our problem is the outcome of the sale of our land. The amazing thing is that we sell to the Jews and then scream and wail and ask for the government’s help,’"11

  • "The land policy of the Zionist movement in the pre-state era was based on purchase of land on the open market by Jewish institutions (mainly the JNF) and subsequent freezing of the ownership so as to ensure that the purchased land would be in Jewish hands in perpetuity."33



Not only was the land being legally purchased, it was being purchased at drastically inflated prices. Arab land owners were making a killing selling their land during the waves of Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the animosity against selling land to Jews coming from elitist Arabs, it simply made good economic sense for landlords to sell while they could exploit the thriving market Jewish demand was creating. Sometimes the land being purchased was nothing more than sand dune, malarial swamps and marshes, or other unattractive plots of waste. Even so, it was payday for many landlords; a day many hadn't seen in a long time and one that wouldn't come again:

  • "Until 1936 ... the Jews acquired about 25,000 dunam in the Beit-Shean Valley ... The soil was of the poorest quality, in scattered parcels of land, and it was impossible to establish even one settlement on it. The Jewish purchasers paid the full price for these lands; in addition the Government compelled them to cover all the outstanding debts that the sellers had accumulated. (In most cases not one penny of these bad debts had been paid for years.)"12

  • "The Jewish authorities have nothing with which to reproach themselves in the matter of the Sursock lands. They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."13

  • "He [the Arab] may sell his land for a fantastic price and add to the congestion in the other zones by moving there. An Arab living a short distance away, just across the zone boundary, cannot obtain anything approximating the same sum for land of equal quality.”14

  • "The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. “In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."15

  • "The settlers were ready to pay much more than the economic value of the land. The same or better land is available a few kilometers to the east or north of the Palestine frontiers at one tenth or less of the Palestinian price."16

  • “Between 1880 and 1914 over sixty thousand Jews entered Palestine … Many settled on wasteland, sand-dunes and malarial marsh, which they then drained, irrigated and farmed. In 1909 a group of Jews founded the first entirely Jewish town, Tel Aviv, on the sandhills north of Jaffa. The Jews purchased their land piecemeal, from European, Turkish and (principally) Arab landlords, mostly at extremely high prices.”17

  • “By 1925 over 2,600 Jews had settled in the [Jezreel] valley, and 3,000 acres of barren hillside had been afforested. This previously uncultivated land, bought at highly inflated prices, became the pattern of all subsequent Jewish National Fund settlements in Palestine.”18

  • "In his 'note of reservations' to the Report of the Woodhead Commission, Sir Alison Russel says: 'It does not appear to me that to permit an Arab to sell his land for three or four times its value, and to go with the money to a different part of the Arab world where land is cheap, can be said to "prejudice" his rights and position.'"19

  • "The average price paid by Jews for the rural land they bought in Palestine during 1944 amounted to over $1000 per acre or about $250 per dunam (including the value of buildings, orchards and other improvements). These prices are, of course, highly inflated …"20

  • "... land brokers sometimes purchased their shares or parcels at a very low price and sold them at ten and twenty multiples to Jewish buyers. Peasants who were in musha' villages were particularly incensed at landlords, land brokers, or agents after learning that they had been swindled."21

  • "Aharon Danin of KKL told of an interesting conversation he had at the beginning of the 1940s with Khaled Zu’bi (brother of Sayf al-Din), who helped him buy land in the Zu’biyya villages east of Nazareth: He [Zu’bi] said, ‘Look, who knows better than me that your work is pure. You pay money for everything, top dollar, many times more than what the land is worth. But that doesn’t change the fact that you are dispossessing us. You are dispossessing us with money, not by force, but the fact is that we are leaving the land.’ I say to him: ‘You are from this Zu’biyya tribe which is located here, in Transjordan, and in Syria, what difference does it make to you where you are, if you are here or if you and your family are there? …’ He said: ‘It’s hard for me to tell you, but in any case the graves of my forefathers are here. I feel that we are leaving this place. It’s our fault and not yours.’"30
Footnotes:
1 Great Britain, and William Robert Wellesley Peel Peel. Palestine Royal Commission Report. London: H.M. Stationery Office, 1937.
2 Western Imperialism in the Middle East 1914 - 1958 by D. K. Fieldhouse, Pg. 125
3 Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond by David McDowall, Pg. 23
4 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
5 "The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine" by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 199.
6 Oren, Michael. Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the PresentPg. 368
7 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 45
8 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 81. In a letter written to the High Commissioner for Transjordan, Sir Arthur Wauchope on July 25, 1934.
9 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 88. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
10 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pp. 88-89. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
11 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 219-220.
12 Avneri, Aryeh L. The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs 1878-1948. Efal, Israel: Yad Tabenkin, 1982. 168.
13 Hope Simpson Report, Pg. 51
14 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Chapter I
15 Bard, Mitchell G. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. 2006. 19.
16 Jewish Colonisataion and Arab Development in Palestine by David Horowitz, Central Zionist Archives, Record Group S90/File 76, 7 October 1945
17 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 3.
18 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 12.
19 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 101
20 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 112
21 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
22 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
23 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
24 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 197.
25 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 215.
26 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 14
27 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 83
28 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 225.
29 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 173.
30 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 200.
Middle East Piece - Jewish Land Purchase and Dispossession



So....you won't be using that 'stolen land' fabrication again, huh?

Who is Mark Lewis. A jew?
 

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