Israel & iran

[Truthseeker420]

Yes, that is how I too see it. I find it interesting how whenever a thread requires some actual thinking, Israel's enemies just suddenly disappear. Nice to meet you here.

The Babylonian excile has led me to an extensive study of Jewish/Zoroastrian relations throughout history. Little has been written on this subject but there is a wealth of information available on Zoroastrian history, scripture, teachings & obsevances as a starting point. In part I did my study with an orthodox Parsi via the internet for over 6 months. I believe the Babylonian excile is the second most important event in Jewish history, second only to the exodus. And I have wondered if Judaism could have survived without the Persian kings of the Persian empire.

The Tanakh holds the answer in praising Cyrus as a Messiah, the only non-Jew accorded Messianic stature, for having liberated the Jews from exile in Babylonia and permitting the reconstitution of the Jewish community in Judah, which was the southern part of the Davidic Kingdom. Many of the exiled Jews became complacent with their rather good lives in Babylonia and had the exile not ended under the Persians, they might well have become assimmilated into pagan Babylonian society which would have impacted on the continuation of the Jewish community

Just because someone is against genocide doesn't make them an enemy of Israel but what do you want to know?

 

[Truthseeker420]

If the sanctions stay in place, Iran will not be able to afford to rebuild their programs.

There is no scenario in which gas costs $10 a gallon. If the Iranian regime is stupid enough to respond to an Israeli attack by trying to block the Strait of Hormuz, it will be at war with the US Navy, and the two carrier groups we have stationed there are more than sufficient to destroy Iran's navy and all of its offensive capabilities. Once that is done, oil prices should drop slightly because Iran will no longer have the capability to effect Gulf oil shipping. If Iran does not retaliate against Gulf oil shipping, then the anxieties about whether it will will diminish and oil prices should drop. So an Israeli strike against Iran's nuclear weapons and long range missile programs should produce a drop in oil prices after a short spike and in that way benefit the global economy.

Until US forces left Iraq, the US was committed to not attacking another country from Iraq and to preventing any other country from using Iraqi airspace to attack a third country, so the window for an attack only opened up in December, however, the US and Israel, both jointly and separately, have been preparing for this attack for years, and what we are seeing now in both countries is politicians preparing public opinion for the attack.

Ok, I'm with you on the oil scenario, I hope that's the case. But Iran not being able to afford a billion or two for something like nukes, especially AFTER they've just being attacked by their sworn enemy Israel? Hmmm, not sure about that. If you attack Iran, they will eventually retaliate, and you'd just have given them a good reason to retaliate. So it makes no sense. Israel in an open war with Iran? I don't see that happening. There's no winning scenario for Israel.

The brilliant Jews have been kicking the asses of the dumb backward muslimes for 60 years and will do so for another 60 and another 60 still.

Moses Rules. Allah Sucks.

you mean America? Israel would be nothing without America.

 

[Truthseeker420]

If the sanctions stay in place, Iran will not be able to afford to rebuild their programs.

There is no scenario in which gas costs $10 a gallon. If the Iranian regime is stupid enough to respond to an Israeli attack by trying to block the Strait of Hormuz, it will be at war with the US Navy, and the two carrier groups we have stationed there are more than sufficient to destroy Iran's navy and all of its offensive capabilities. Once that is done, oil prices should drop slightly because Iran will no longer have the capability to effect Gulf oil shipping. If Iran does not retaliate against Gulf oil shipping, then the anxieties about whether it will will diminish and oil prices should drop. So an Israeli strike against Iran's nuclear weapons and long range missile programs should produce a drop in oil prices after a short spike and in that way benefit the global economy.

Until US forces left Iraq, the US was committed to not attacking another country from Iraq and to preventing any other country from using Iraqi airspace to attack a third country, so the window for an attack only opened up in December, however, the US and Israel, both jointly and separately, have been preparing for this attack for years, and what we are seeing now in both countries is politicians preparing public opinion for the attack.

Ok, I'm with you on the oil scenario, I hope that's the case. But Iran not being able to afford a billion or two for something like nukes, especially AFTER they've just being attacked by their sworn enemy Israel? Hmmm, not sure about that. If you attack Iran, they will eventually retaliate, and you'd just have given them a good reason to retaliate. So it makes no sense. Israel in an open war with Iran? I don't see that happening. There's no winning scenario for Israel.

Let's be realistic, Iran has been attacking Israel for decades through its Arab proxies, Hamas Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and it is a core value of the regime that Israel has to be destroyed. If Iran had the power to destroy Israel it would have. An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is an effort to preempt an escalation of Iran's war against Israel by stopping their nuclear weapons and long range missile programs.

Bullshit! Iran has never attacked Israel and has even had meeting with Israeli Jewish leaders to talk about peace.

 

[MJB12741]

Will you be so kind as to enlighten me to whatever genocide you are referring to? According to most recent census figures, in 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just under 6 million of them left. No question about it. Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

Yes, that is how I too see it. I find it interesting how whenever a thread requires some actual thinking, Israel's enemies just suddenly disappear. Nice to meet you here.

The Tanakh holds the answer in praising Cyrus as a Messiah, the only non-Jew accorded Messianic stature, for having liberated the Jews from exile in Babylonia and permitting the reconstitution of the Jewish community in Judah, which was the southern part of the Davidic Kingdom. Many of the exiled Jews became complacent with their rather good lives in Babylonia and had the exile not ended under the Persians, they might well have become assimmilated into pagan Babylonian society which would have impacted on the continuation of the Jewish community

Just because someone is against genocide doesn't make them an enemy of Israel but what do you want to know?

 

[Truthseeker420]

Ok, I'm with you on the oil scenario, I hope that's the case. But Iran not being able to afford a billion or two for something like nukes, especially AFTER they've just being attacked by their sworn enemy Israel? Hmmm, not sure about that. If you attack Iran, they will eventually retaliate, and you'd just have given them a good reason to retaliate. So it makes no sense. Israel in an open war with Iran? I don't see that happening. There's no winning scenario for Israel.

Let's be realistic, Iran has been attacking Israel for decades through its Arab proxies, Hamas Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and it is a core value of the regime that Israel has to be destroyed. If Iran had the power to destroy Israel it would have. An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is an effort to preempt an escalation of Iran's war against Israel by stopping their nuclear weapons and long range missile programs.

US: Iran Supporting al Qaeda Treasury Targets Key Al-Qa

Yeah because the goverment has never lied to us.

 

[JStone]

Let's be realistic, Iran has been attacking Israel for decades through its Arab proxies, Hamas Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and it is a core value of the regime that Israel has to be destroyed. If Iran had the power to destroy Israel it would have. An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is an effort to preempt an escalation of Iran's war against Israel by stopping their nuclear weapons and long range missile programs.

US: Iran Supporting al Qaeda Treasury Targets Key Al-Qa

Yeah because the goverment has never lied to us.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Will you be so kind as to enlighten me to whatever genocide you are referring to? According to most recent census figures, in 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just under 6 million of them left. No question about it. Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

Yes, that is how I too see it. I find it interesting how whenever a thread requires some actual thinking, Israel's enemies just suddenly disappear. Nice to meet you here.

Just because someone is against genocide doesn't make them an enemy of Israel but what do you want to know?

They are in the begining. How long did it take to destroy Native Americans and their culture?

 

[Truthseeker420]

US: Iran Supporting al Qaeda Treasury Targets Key Al-Qa

Yeah because the goverment has never lied to us.

okay gaystone !

 

[JStone]

Yeah because the goverment has never lied to us.

okay gaystone !

Bullshit Seeker

 

[Truthseeker420]

When will the USA quit telling Israel what it can & cannot do & just unleash Israel with our blessings to take good care of our radical Islamist enemies in the Middle East who are killing us Americans & all other infidels they can all over the world today.

Ok, give me a winning scenario for Israel if they attack Iran. I can't picture anything useful coming out of that.

Easy. Israel does serious and expensive damage to Iran's nuclear weapons and long range missile programs, the sanctions stay in place and Iran cannot afford to rebuild its nuclear weapons and long range missile programs.

No nukes for Iran.

No ME nuclear arms race.

No ME nuclear exchanges.

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[JStone]

Bullshit Seeker420

 

[toomuchtime_]

Ok, I'm with you on the oil scenario, I hope that's the case. But Iran not being able to afford a billion or two for something like nukes, especially AFTER they've just being attacked by their sworn enemy Israel? Hmmm, not sure about that. If you attack Iran, they will eventually retaliate, and you'd just have given them a good reason to retaliate. So it makes no sense. Israel in an open war with Iran? I don't see that happening. There's no winning scenario for Israel.

Let's be realistic, Iran has been attacking Israel for decades through its Arab proxies, Hamas Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and it is a core value of the regime that Israel has to be destroyed. If Iran had the power to destroy Israel it would have. An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is an effort to preempt an escalation of Iran's war against Israel by stopping their nuclear weapons and long range missile programs.

Bullshit! Iran has never attacked Israel and has even had meeting with Israeli Jewish leaders to talk about peace.

Iran has been attacking Israel through its Arab proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad for more than thirty years.

 

[JStone]

Will you be so kind as to enlighten me to whatever genocide you are referring to? According to most recent census figures, in 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just under 6 million of them left. No question about it. Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

Just because someone is against genocide doesn't make them an enemy of Israel but what do you want to know?

They are in the begining. How long did it take to destroy Native Americans and their culture?

"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media.-Noam Chomsky"

Fucktard420, presumably, you're too mentally ill to know that Chomsky is a linguistics teacher, not an authority on geopolitics nor media.

Now, you know, fucktard420

 

[ima]

Ok, I'm with you on the oil scenario, I hope that's the case. But Iran not being able to afford a billion or two for something like nukes, especially AFTER they've just being attacked by their sworn enemy Israel? Hmmm, not sure about that. If you attack Iran, they will eventually retaliate, and you'd just have given them a good reason to retaliate. So it makes no sense. Israel in an open war with Iran? I don't see that happening. There's no winning scenario for Israel.

Let's be realistic, Iran has been attacking Israel for decades through its Arab proxies, Hamas Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and it is a core value of the regime that Israel has to be destroyed. If Iran had the power to destroy Israel it would have. An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is an effort to preempt an escalation of Iran's war against Israel by stopping their nuclear weapons and long range missile programs.

A valiant effort perhaps, but it's not going to work.

Btw, how does Iran attacking through proxies even come close to what i was talking about?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Let's be realistic, Iran has been attacking Israel for decades through its Arab proxies, Hamas Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and it is a core value of the regime that Israel has to be destroyed. If Iran had the power to destroy Israel it would have. An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is an effort to preempt an escalation of Iran's war against Israel by stopping their nuclear weapons and long range missile programs.

A valiant effort perhaps, but it's not going to work.

Btw, how does Iran attacking through proxies even come close to what i was talking about?

Attacking through proxies is the most Iran has been capable of doing. As long as it is prevented from acquiring nukes, it will remain the worst it can do.

 

[MJB12741]

After Israel takes good care of Iran I look forward to a day when Zubin Mehta will visit Iran with the Israeli Philharmonic orchestra to play host to his Parsi's in the land of their heritage that was conquered & stolen by the Muslims.

 

[MJB12741]

Eh, Ima. Got news for you. No one knows what you are talking about.

Let's be realistic, Iran has been attacking Israel for decades through its Arab proxies, Hamas Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and it is a core value of the regime that Israel has to be destroyed. If Iran had the power to destroy Israel it would have. An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is an effort to preempt an escalation of Iran's war against Israel by stopping their nuclear weapons and long range missile programs.

A valiant effort perhaps, but it's not going to work.

Btw, how does Iran attacking through proxies even come close to what i was talking about?

 

[Truthseeker420]

Will you be so kind as to enlighten me to whatever genocide you are referring to? According to most recent census figures, in 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just under 6 million of them left. No question about it. Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

They are in the begining. How long did it take to destroy Native Americans and their culture?

"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media.-Noam Chomsky"

Fucktard420, presumably, you're too mentally ill to know that Chomsky is a linguistics teacher, not an authority on geopolitics nor media.

Now, you know, fucktard420

Proffessor of Linguistics & Philosophy. But one does not have to be a proffesser to be an authority on any subject.

 

[JStone]

They are in the begining. How long did it take to destroy Native Americans and their culture?

"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media.-Noam Chomsky"

Fucktard420, presumably, you're too mentally ill to know that Chomsky is a linguistics teacher, not an authority on geopolitics nor media.

Now, you know, fucktard420

Proffessor of Linguistics & Philosophy. But one does not have to be a proffesser to be an authority on any subject.

You misspelled professor, dunce. You're dismissed to the dunce corner.

Bullshit Seeker420


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[MJB12741]

Glad you bring up native Americans. What a remarkable contrast to Palestinians. Native Americans strap on tool boxes & build casinos to help their people. Pastinians stap on bomb straps to themselves up along with their own children while killing all others they can with them.

They are in the begining. How long did it take to destroy Native Americans and their culture?

"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media.-Noam Chomsky"

Fucktard420, presumably, you're too mentally ill to know that Chomsky is a linguistics teacher, not an authority on geopolitics nor media.

Now, you know, fucktard420

Proffessor of Linguistics & Philosophy. But one does not have to be a proffesser to be an authority on any subject.