Israel & iran

I'm not arguing that the government is telling the truth.I'm arguing that all sources of information are potentially false even those that you use. (In fact i have yet to see even one source for your information ...)
I also argue that you have no way to know which sources are false and which are true.
Thus you display hypocritical behavior when you say: I don't believe the government but I believe propaganda sites.
Basically you choose the 'truth' that suites your predisposed opinion and discard anything that doesn't fit your views as lies.
(This is also true for the ironically named "TruthSeeker".)

No worry the only way to make a change in Israeli behavior is to bring them to war
:D

Yeah, that's done great things for the Arabs in the past.

But you have to figure that they might get their shit together one day, and that could be pretty scary. Just saying.
 
No worry the only way to make a change in Israeli behavior is to bring them to war
:D

Yeah, that's done great things for the Arabs in the past.

But you have to figure that they might get their shit together one day, and that could be pretty scary. Just saying.

For getting their shit together they have to shift their priories and compromise.
The factor that would contribute the most for placing their collective shit in one place is forsaking Islam and move forward into the 21th century.
This would make the reasonable people , and it's not scary at all , just saying.
 
Empires rose & empires fell, yet Israel still remains. For over 4000 years, Israel's enemies have claimed "Israel is doomed." And in another 4000 years from now, Israel's enemies will still be claiming "Israel is doomed."
 
Empires rose & empires fell, yet Israel still remains. For over 4000 years, Israel's enemies have claimed "Israel is doomed." And in another 4000 years from now, Israel's enemies will still be claiming "Israel is doomed."
I don't know if in another 4000 human kind will not nuke itself into oblivion , let alone if there would be Israel or enemies of Israel.
 
No worry the only way to make a change in Israeli behavior is to bring them to war
:D

Yeah, that's done great things for the Arabs in the past.

But you have to figure that they might get their shit together one day, and that could be pretty scary. Just saying.

1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and then no wars for thirty years. Clearly the Arabs have gotten their shit together sufficiently to realize that attacking Israel does not serve their best interests. If you ever get your shit together, you'll realize this, too, even if you continue to have wet dreams about dead Jews.
 
Yeah, that's done great things for the Arabs in the past.

But you have to figure that they might get their shit together one day, and that could be pretty scary. Just saying.

1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and then no wars for thirty years. Clearly the Arabs have gotten their shit together sufficiently to realize that attacking Israel does not serve their best interests. If you ever get your shit together, you'll realize this, too, even if you continue to have wet dreams about dead Jews.

It really gets to you that there are people who don't agree with what Israel does 100% of the time. You should realize this and relax, I'm totally chill and don't even consider myself on one side or the other, I'm certainly no fan of ragheads, that's for sure, lol. But eventually, I'm figuring they're going to get it together. Anyways, that's what US Christian crazies are hoping for. Otherwise Jesus won't come back. Now doesn't that give you a nice warm and fuzzy?
 
But you have to figure that they might get their shit together one day, and that could be pretty scary. Just saying.

1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and then no wars for thirty years. Clearly the Arabs have gotten their shit together sufficiently to realize that attacking Israel does not serve their best interests. If you ever get your shit together, you'll realize this, too, even if you continue to have wet dreams about dead Jews.

It really gets to you that there are people who don't agree with what Israel does 100% of the time. You should realize this and relax, I'm totally chill and don't even consider myself on one side or the other, I'm certainly no fan of ragheads, that's for sure, lol. But eventually, I'm figuring they're going to get it together. Anyways, that's what US Christian crazies are hoping for. Otherwise Jesus won't come back. Now doesn't that give you a nice warm and fuzzy?
Religious people are crazy , nothing new there .
 
But you have to figure that they might get their shit together one day, and that could be pretty scary. Just saying.

1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and then no wars for thirty years. Clearly the Arabs have gotten their shit together sufficiently to realize that attacking Israel does not serve their best interests. If you ever get your shit together, you'll realize this, too, even if you continue to have wet dreams about dead Jews.

It really gets to you that there are people who don't agree with what Israel does 100% of the time. You should realize this and relax, I'm totally chill and don't even consider myself on one side or the other, I'm certainly no fan of ragheads, that's for sure, lol. But eventually, I'm figuring they're going to get it together. Anyways, that's what US Christian crazies are hoping for. Otherwise Jesus won't come back. Now doesn't that give you a nice warm and fuzzy?

IMA DUNCE




Arab-American Dr. Wafa Sultan, Human Rights Activist, Among "Time Magazine's 100 Heroes and Pioneers Whose Power, Talent Or Moral Example Is Transforming Our World"

Wafa Sultan - The 2006 TIME 100 - TIME.

Israel - The One And The Only Free Democratic Country In The Entire Middle East.
I believe that any nation that grants equal opportunity to every citizen, regardless of race, religion, political affiliation, or gender, thereby, establishes its moral legitimacy. According to this principle, Israel stands alone in the Middle East region, as a nation with moral legitimacy: it grants all citizens equal rights for men and women alike, freedom of religion, and freedom of speech and of the press. Not a single Arab or Muslim country in the surrounding region does the same. Nor do any of those Arab and Muslim nations allow their citizens personal freedom, or the right to maintain and express opposing points of view.

These essential qualities of life provide oxygen for the human soul; they are the kind of basic nourishment that is desperately missing in all of Israel's Muslim neighbors. Yet, the so-called humanitarian aid organizations at the United Nations direct all their energy to act against anything and everything Israel does. Let me ask: as every human being deserves to live in dignity, why has an enormous unbalanced portion of global aid gone mostly to Palestinians, while millions of underprivileged people all over the world suffer genuine, life-threatening deprivation? Here is why: The United Nations time and again focuses its power on the perpetual manufacturing of false anti-Israel accusations. Painting Palestinians as perennial underdogs provides the perfect cover for their subversive effort. Without doubt, this trend encourages hatred and violence against the Jewish people in Israel and everywhere else. And that is exactly its point.

A Palestinian women's organization reported that Muslim men perpetrate some 40 honor killings annually in the West Bank alone, not including the vast majority of honor killing and abuse of women that go unreported -- as Islamic society maintains secrecy in upholding the popular belief that those "cursed with a sin, [should] hide it."

According to recent face-to-face surveys by prominent international pollsters, more Palestinians in East Jerusalem would prefer to be citizens of Israel than citizens of a new Palestinian state -- and 40% would probably or definitely move to avoid Palestinian rule.

Those who love liberty and life will strengthen their ties and warm relations with Israel, and stand with her. Israel will continue to shine its light among all nations.

The United Nations and Human Rights Abuse | EuropeNews
 
When the Arabs aren't attacking Israel, they just kill each other. Long live the Arab Spring.
 
But you have to figure that they might get their shit together one day, and that could be pretty scary. Just saying.

1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and then no wars for thirty years. Clearly the Arabs have gotten their shit together sufficiently to realize that attacking Israel does not serve their best interests. If you ever get your shit together, you'll realize this, too, even if you continue to have wet dreams about dead Jews.

It really gets to you that there are people who don't agree with what Israel does 100% of the time. You should realize this and relax, I'm totally chill and don't even consider myself on one side or the other, I'm certainly no fan of ragheads, that's for sure, lol. But eventually, I'm figuring they're going to get it together. Anyways, that's what US Christian crazies are hoping for. Otherwise Jesus won't come back. Now doesn't that give you a nice warm and fuzzy?

So the message you want to convey is that you are not just an anti semite but an equal opportunity hater and bigot and that you consider people with whom you disagree "crazies", and that you are so "chill" with that it makes you laugh just to talk about it. It is interesting that while you express contempt for Christians who believe in the apocalypse and second coming, you, like them, are only able to conceive of the animosities the Arabs/Muslims hold towards Israel being finally resolved in an apocalypse; the main difference between your visions and their's seems to be that they have hope for a better future after the horror of war and you are only capable of contemplating the horror. It must be painful to be you.

What is interesting about your posts is not the biases you express but the question: since you have not been sufficiently interested in the issues or history of the region or its conflicts to have learned about them why do you spend so much time posting such strongly held biases in this forum? The answer can be found in the content of your posts. You clearly are unable to consider Israeli actions on other than horrifying terms, killing, ethnic cleansing, etc., and you are unable to consider that the Arabs/Muslim will find a way of dealing with Israel in other than horrifying terms. Since it is clear you have no intellectual interest in the issues or history discussed here, it seems clear that you come here to use Israelis and Arabs/Muslims in your fantasies as proxies for your visions of anger and violence you cannot safely express in your real life.
 
Ima wants the Palestinians to go free. And so do I. The question is where can they go? No Arab surrounding country wants them back & they hate Israel. I wonder if Mecca would be a nice place for a Palestinian State.
 
Ima wants the Palestinians to go free. And so do I. The question is where can they go? No Arab surrounding country wants them back & they hate Israel. I wonder if Mecca would be a nice place for a Palestinian State.

The Palestinian Arabs are free. They have their own government, such as it is, the PA, their own land, Areas A and B in the West Bank and Gaza. There is nothing preventing these Arabs from enjoying all the benefits of a prosperous democracy other than their continuing opposition to the existence of the Jewish state of Israel and their apparent incompetence when it comes to governing themselves. The only Palestinian Arabs who are not entirely free are those, about 50,000, who live in Area C, and that can be quickly remedied by Israel annexing Area C and granting them full Israeli citizenship.
 
1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and then no wars for thirty years. Clearly the Arabs have gotten their shit together sufficiently to realize that attacking Israel does not serve their best interests. If you ever get your shit together, you'll realize this, too, even if you continue to have wet dreams about dead Jews.

It really gets to you that there are people who don't agree with what Israel does 100% of the time. You should realize this and relax, I'm totally chill and don't even consider myself on one side or the other, I'm certainly no fan of ragheads, that's for sure, lol. But eventually, I'm figuring they're going to get it together. Anyways, that's what US Christian crazies are hoping for. Otherwise Jesus won't come back. Now doesn't that give you a nice warm and fuzzy?

So the message you want to convey is that you are not just an anti semite but an equal opportunity hater and bigot and that you consider people with whom you disagree "crazies", and that you are so "chill" with that it makes you laugh just to talk about it. It is interesting that while you express contempt for Christians who believe in the apocalypse and second coming, you, like them, are only able to conceive of the animosities the Arabs/Muslims hold towards Israel being finally resolved in an apocalypse; the main difference between your visions and their's seems to be that they have hope for a better future after the horror of war and you are only capable of contemplating the horror. It must be painful to be you.

What is interesting about your posts is not the biases you express but the question: since you have not been sufficiently interested in the issues or history of the region or its conflicts to have learned about them why do you spend so much time posting such strongly held biases in this forum? The answer can be found in the content of your posts. You clearly are unable to consider Israeli actions on other than horrifying terms, killing, ethnic cleansing, etc., and you are unable to consider that the Arabs/Muslim will find a way of dealing with Israel in other than horrifying terms. Since it is clear you have no intellectual interest in the issues or history discussed here, it seems clear that you come here to use Israelis and Arabs/Muslims in your fantasies as proxies for your visions of anger and violence you cannot safely express in your real life.

If I'm amusing myself, it's only because the pro-Israel side at this site is just so full of shit that it's not easy to take you guys seriously. Like you think that the arabs are ever going to agree to peace when they've said over and over that there's a serious bunch of them who will never stop trying to recoup the losses of battles past. And you all are trying your hardest to ignore that fact, and I just find it interesting to hear all of your reasons why Israel is right on all counts. And a little bit funny at time because you're arguments and what you seem to believe are just so absurd that it can make me laugh. And what can I say about JStone? He's an embarrassment to Jews everywhere.
And everyone is interested in this conflict, it's the key to world peace. The reason behind 9/11 and now responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Afghanistan and Irak. And maybe Iran soon as well.
And Christians who back Israel because they need Israel to get nuked so that Jesus can come back are total morons, you don't agree? But according to you, because Jesus is coming back, at least they're looking towards a better future and I'm not? You're an idiot.
 
Ima wants the Palestinians to go free. And so do I. The question is where can they go? No Arab surrounding country wants them back & they hate Israel. I wonder if Mecca would be a nice place for a Palestinian State.

The Palestinian Arabs are free. They have their own government, such as it is, the PA, their own land, Areas A and B in the West Bank and Gaza. There is nothing preventing these Arabs from enjoying all the benefits of a prosperous democracy other than their continuing opposition to the existence of the Jewish state of Israel and their apparent incompetence when it comes to governing themselves. The only Palestinian Arabs who are not entirely free are those, about 50,000, who live in Area C, and that can be quickly remedied by Israel annexing Area C and granting them full Israeli citizenship.

Did you know that for the arabs to go anywhere, that they have to spend most of the day going through Israeli checkpoints. And they have this thing, it's called simply The Wall, and it's not made by Pink Floyd. And on the sea side, they don't let boats through, it's called a naval blockade.
 
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Ima wants the Palestinians to go free. And so do I. The question is where can they go? No Arab surrounding country wants them back & they hate Israel. I wonder if Mecca would be a nice place for a Palestinian State.

The Palestinian Arabs are free. They have their own government, such as it is, the PA, their own land, Areas A and B in the West Bank and Gaza. There is nothing preventing these Arabs from enjoying all the benefits of a prosperous democracy other than their continuing opposition to the existence of the Jewish state of Israel and their apparent incompetence when it comes to governing themselves. The only Palestinian Arabs who are not entirely free are those, about 50,000, who live in Area C, and that can be quickly remedied by Israel annexing Area C and granting them full Israeli citizenship.

Did you know that for the arabs to go anywhere, that they have to spend most of the day going through Israeli checkpoints. And they have this thing, it's called simply The Wall, and it's not made by Pink Floyd. And on the sea side, they don't let boats through, it's called a naval blockade.

All of these things are in response to acts of Arab terrorism, and despite the checkpoints and security barrier and the hundreds of millions of dollars the US has spent training, arming and maintaining PA security forces, every day the Shin Bet and IDF stop several terrorists on their way to commit racist hate crimes against Jewish civilians, or as you like to call it, getting their shit together, and every day the Gaza terrorists smuggle in more weapons with which to try to bomb Israeli civilians.

Before the second intifada there were no checkpoints or security barrier separating the West Bank from Israel and Palestinian Arabs and Israelis moved freely across the green line, and large numbers of Palestinian Arabs worked and lived in Israel. If the Arabs ever decide they want to live in peace with the Jewish state of Israel, then all these very expensive security measures will no longer be necessary.
 
How does Ima come up with such statements like we believe Israel is right on all counts. I sure as hell don't believe that. In fact I believe Israel is mostly responsible for this endless ongoing conflict. And Israel deserves what they receive from the Palestinians.

No surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, ever made peace offerings to Palestinians, built a security fence & conceded land to Palestinians so they can remain in their countries. And then Israel just can't seem to understand why they are rewarded with jihad's, intifadas & rocket missiles. Don't that beat all? SHAME ON ISRAEL.



It really gets to you that there are people who don't agree with what Israel does 100% of the time. You should realize this and relax, I'm totally chill and don't even consider myself on one side or the other, I'm certainly no fan of ragheads, that's for sure, lol. But eventually, I'm figuring they're going to get it together. Anyways, that's what US Christian crazies are hoping for. Otherwise Jesus won't come back. Now doesn't that give you a nice warm and fuzzy?

So the message you want to convey is that you are not just an anti semite but an equal opportunity hater and bigot and that you consider people with whom you disagree "crazies", and that you are so "chill" with that it makes you laugh just to talk about it. It is interesting that while you express contempt for Christians who believe in the apocalypse and second coming, you, like them, are only able to conceive of the animosities the Arabs/Muslims hold towards Israel being finally resolved in an apocalypse; the main difference between your visions and their's seems to be that they have hope for a better future after the horror of war and you are only capable of contemplating the horror. It must be painful to be you.

What is interesting about your posts is not the biases you express but the question: since you have not been sufficiently interested in the issues or history of the region or its conflicts to have learned about them why do you spend so much time posting such strongly held biases in this forum? The answer can be found in the content of your posts. You clearly are unable to consider Israeli actions on other than horrifying terms, killing, ethnic cleansing, etc., and you are unable to consider that the Arabs/Muslim will find a way of dealing with Israel in other than horrifying terms. Since it is clear you have no intellectual interest in the issues or history discussed here, it seems clear that you come here to use Israelis and Arabs/Muslims in your fantasies as proxies for your visions of anger and violence you cannot safely express in your real life.

If I'm amusing myself, it's only because the pro-Israel side at this site is just so full of shit that it's not easy to take you guys seriously. Like you think that the arabs are ever going to agree to peace when they've said over and over that there's a serious bunch of them who will never stop trying to recoup the losses of battles past. And you all are trying your hardest to ignore that fact, and I just find it interesting to hear all of your reasons why Israel is right on all counts. And a little bit funny at time because you're arguments and what you seem to believe are just so absurd that it can make me laugh. And what can I say about JStone? He's an embarrassment to Jews everywhere.
And everyone is interested in this conflict, it's the key to world peace. The reason behind 9/11 and now responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Afghanistan and Irak. And maybe Iran soon as well.
And Christians who back Israel because they need Israel to get nuked so that Jesus can come back are total morons, you don't agree? But according to you, because Jesus is coming back, at least they're looking towards a better future and I'm not? You're an idiot.
 
How does Ima come up with such statements like we believe Israel is right on all counts. I sure as hell don't believe that. In fact I believe Israel is mostly responsible for this endless ongoing conflict. And Israel deserves what they receive from the Palestinians.

No surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, ever made peace offerings to Palestinians, built a security fence & conceded land to Palestinians so they can remain in their countries. And then Israel just can't seem to understand why they are rewarded with jihad's, intifadas & rocket missiles. Don't that beat all? SHAME ON ISRAEL.



So the message you want to convey is that you are not just an anti semite but an equal opportunity hater and bigot and that you consider people with whom you disagree "crazies", and that you are so "chill" with that it makes you laugh just to talk about it. It is interesting that while you express contempt for Christians who believe in the apocalypse and second coming, you, like them, are only able to conceive of the animosities the Arabs/Muslims hold towards Israel being finally resolved in an apocalypse; the main difference between your visions and their's seems to be that they have hope for a better future after the horror of war and you are only capable of contemplating the horror. It must be painful to be you.

What is interesting about your posts is not the biases you express but the question: since you have not been sufficiently interested in the issues or history of the region or its conflicts to have learned about them why do you spend so much time posting such strongly held biases in this forum? The answer can be found in the content of your posts. You clearly are unable to consider Israeli actions on other than horrifying terms, killing, ethnic cleansing, etc., and you are unable to consider that the Arabs/Muslim will find a way of dealing with Israel in other than horrifying terms. Since it is clear you have no intellectual interest in the issues or history discussed here, it seems clear that you come here to use Israelis and Arabs/Muslims in your fantasies as proxies for your visions of anger and violence you cannot safely express in your real life.

If I'm amusing myself, it's only because the pro-Israel side at this site is just so full of shit that it's not easy to take you guys seriously. Like you think that the arabs are ever going to agree to peace when they've said over and over that there's a serious bunch of them who will never stop trying to recoup the losses of battles past. And you all are trying your hardest to ignore that fact, and I just find it interesting to hear all of your reasons why Israel is right on all counts. And a little bit funny at time because you're arguments and what you seem to believe are just so absurd that it can make me laugh. And what can I say about JStone? He's an embarrassment to Jews everywhere.
And everyone is interested in this conflict, it's the key to world peace. The reason behind 9/11 and now responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Afghanistan and Irak. And maybe Iran soon as well.
And Christians who back Israel because they need Israel to get nuked so that Jesus can come back are total morons, you don't agree? But according to you, because Jesus is coming back, at least they're looking towards a better future and I'm not? You're an idiot.
The word of the day is: 'devious.'
 
If there is ever to be a lasting peace, Israel's entire Zionist agenda first has to go. No more damn peace offerings, security fences & land concessions to provoke the Palestinians. If Israel wants peace, those Zionists must learn to treat the Palestinians with the same Arab love, justice & respect the Palestinians are so well accustomed to & so well deserve. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!
 
So the message you want to convey is that you are not just an anti semite but an equal opportunity hater and bigot and that you consider people with whom you disagree "crazies", and that you are so "chill" with that it makes you laugh just to talk about it. It is interesting that while you express contempt for Christians who believe in the apocalypse and second coming, you, like them, are only able to conceive of the animosities the Arabs/Muslims hold towards Israel being finally resolved in an apocalypse; the main difference between your visions and their's seems to be that they have hope for a better future after the horror of war and you are only capable of contemplating the horror. It must be painful to be you.

What is interesting about your posts is not the biases you express but the question: since you have not been sufficiently interested in the issues or history of the region or its conflicts to have learned about them why do you spend so much time posting such strongly held biases in this forum? The answer can be found in the content of your posts. You clearly are unable to consider Israeli actions on other than horrifying terms, killing, ethnic cleansing, etc., and you are unable to consider that the Arabs/Muslim will find a way of dealing with Israel in other than horrifying terms. Since it is clear you have no intellectual interest in the issues or history discussed here, it seems clear that you come here to use Israelis and Arabs/Muslims in your fantasies as proxies for your visions of anger and violence you cannot safely express in your real life.

If I'm amusing myself, it's only because the pro-Israel side at this site is just so full of shit that it's not easy to take you guys seriously. Like you think that the arabs are ever going to agree to peace when they've said over and over that there's a serious bunch of them who will never stop trying to recoup the losses of battles past. And you all are trying your hardest to ignore that fact, and I just find it interesting to hear all of your reasons why Israel is right on all counts. And a little bit funny at time because you're arguments and what you seem to believe are just so absurd that it can make me laugh. And what can I say about JStone? He's an embarrassment to Jews everywhere.
And everyone is interested in this conflict, it's the key to world peace. The reason behind 9/11 and now responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Afghanistan and Irak. And maybe Iran soon as well.
And Christians who back Israel because they need Israel to get nuked so that Jesus can come back are total morons, you don't agree? But according to you, because Jesus is coming back, at least they're looking towards a better future and I'm not? You're an idiot.

Once again, you have nothing to offer but slogans you don't understand about subjects of which you are profoundly ignorant. There's a huge amount of information on the internet. If you were truly interested in the issues or the history of the region, you would be trying to learn something about them instead of just mindlessly parroting slogans you think you're supposed to believe in
 
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With people like Ima, no matter what Israel does or does not do, Israel is to blame.
 

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