Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15

[Correll]

They can leave and they do abroad. Gaza has no port, Hamas refused it time and time again.
Better tell me which law obligates any country to give entrance to a subject of an enemy state?

You're a fuckin' liar!

[Israel] "...does not permit Palestinian, Israeli and foreign staff of human rights organizations to enter or leave Gaza. Israel controls Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters and has prevented the operation of an airport or seaport for the past two decades..."

"Israel’s restrictions on access to and from Gaza go far beyond what is permitted by international humanitarian law and human rights law. Because Israel continues to exercise control over significant aspects of life in Gaza, it continues to have obligations under the law of occupation in the areas in which it continues to exercise control..."​

Israel also shoots unarmed protesters.

Fuckers like you, act as though the Palestinians don't have the right to have rights. Fuckers like you are cowards. You never talk about the evil you bring to the table.

Next time try a real source.

Gazans leaving Gaza
Gazans in Egypt.
Gazans in Berlin

I still don't see the law that obligates a country to give entrance to subjects of an enemy state.

I wonder why the Egyptians so tightly control travel into and out of Gaza.


Are they working with the Jews?

Egypt has it's own security interests.
In one word- ARMS TRAFFICKING PREVENTION:



Egypt also fights the Islamic state in Sinai, while their militants infiltrate Gaza.
Just two weeks ago they jammed all their communication to spot the Islamists from Sinai in Gaza.

Not to mention that Egypt doesn't look all to well at Gaza becoming an Iranian proxy.
It's a serious problem in the neighborhood.

Seems strange because Egypt and Hamas are fighting against the same people.

That is true.


It seems that despite that unifying enemy, that the people of Gaza are such that the Egyptians don't trust them to behave in a civilized fashion, if allowed to travel into, or even though their nation.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Collective punishment, embargos, blockades, sanctions...

Collective Punishment
Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions.[1] Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by Resistance movements (such as destroying entire towns and villages which were believed to have harboured or aided such resistance movements).

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

But there is a lack of moral clarity in the use of embargos, blockades, seiges and sanctions. Are they collective punishment?

When do they become collective punishment?

Blockades and sanctions represent a form of "soft" pressure on a state to change some form of behavior. That's better than bombing them. So at some point collective punishment seems to be "ok" - western countries are using it on NK, it was used on Saddam's Iraq, pre-civil war Syria...and it HAS had some positive results - bringing people to the negotiating table for example.

At what point do blockades become morally unacceptable?

You have FAILED to answer my question. How else does Israel contain the rampant weapons shipments that are used to attack her?

 

[Correll]

Collective punishment, embargos, blockades, sanctions...

Collective Punishment
Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions.[1] Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by Resistance movements (such as destroying entire towns and villages which were believed to have harboured or aided such resistance movements).

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

But there is a lack of moral clarity in the use of embargos, blockades, seiges and sanctions. Are they collective punishment?

When do they become collective punishment?

Blockades and sanctions represent a form of "soft" pressure on a state to change some form of behavior. That's better than bombing them. So at some point collective punishment seems to be "ok" - western countries are using it on NK, it was used on Saddam's Iraq, pre-civil war Syria...and it HAS had some positive results - bringing people to the negotiating table for example.

At what point do blockades become morally unacceptable?

You have FAILED to answer my question. How else does Israel contain the rampant weapons shipments that are used to attack her?

I want to point out, that this is what that humanitarian convoy of a few years back was.


IF the Israelis had allowed that convoy to pass, and then went back to maintaining the blockade,


at that point, it would be an illegal blockade.


And the genocidal assholes calling it "illegal" would be technically correct.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here's Murtaja using a drone during the march.

Good post, thanks.

Where it the violent riot that Israeli propaganda bullshit is always talking about?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Coyote, et al,

All over the world, the use of cars, boats, homes, planes and whatever, have been subject to goverment seizure when law enforcement connects that property with certain crimes. More often than not, it is some connection made with illicited transport of "drugs." But it could be any number of violations; to include the use of homes and conveyances as "safe houses" by an individual or group connected with the direct support for Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

(COMMENT)

Following is the full text of the Resolution and the Plan of Action:

1. Plan of Action
2. Measures to address the conditions conducive to the spread of terrorism
3. Measures to prevent and combat terrorism
4. Measures to build States' capacity to prevent and combat terrorism and to strengthen the role of the United Nations system in this regard
5. Measures to ensure respect for human rights for all and the rule of law as the fundamental basis of the fight against terrorism

Resolution: The United Nations Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy
ANNEX
Plan of Action

Section II. Measures to prevent and combat terrorism:

We resolve to undertake the following measures to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorists access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets and to the desired impact of their attacks:
→ ...
2. To cooperate fully in the fight against terrorism, in accordance with our obligations under international law, in order to find, deny safe haven and bring to justice, on the basis of the principle of extradite or prosecute, any person who supports, facilitates, participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.
→ ...​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

Collective punishment, embargos, blockades, sanctions...

Collective Punishment
Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions.[1] Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by Resistance movements (such as destroying entire towns and villages which were believed to have harboured or aided such resistance movements).

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

But there is a lack of moral clarity in the use of embargos, blockades, seiges and sanctions. Are they collective punishment?

When do they become collective punishment?

Blockades and sanctions represent a form of "soft" pressure on a state to change some form of behavior. That's better than bombing them. So at some point collective punishment seems to be "ok" - western countries are using it on NK, it was used on Saddam's Iraq, pre-civil war Syria...and it HAS had some positive results - bringing people to the negotiating table for example.

At what point do blockades become morally unacceptable?

I agree that destroying the homes of relatives of terrorists is collective punishment. It is both morally and legally wrong of Israel to do so.

The blockade, however, is not intended as a deterent or as punishment and isn't collective punishment. It has the very specific intent of preventing certain materials and weapons from entering Gaza.

Now, if you want to argue that there are certain sanctions which ARE collective punishment such as adding tires to the sanctions list then I might be able to agree. (Might).

But then I think we would have to talk about things like BDS. Are boycotts, divestment and sanctions also collective punishment?

 

[Coyote]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Coyote, et al,

All over the world, the use of cars, boats, homes, planes and whatever, have been subject to goverment seizure when law enforcement connects that property with certain crimes. More often than not, it is some connection made with illicited transport of "drugs." But it could be any number of violations; to include the use of homes and conveyances as "safe houses" by an individual or group connected with the direct support for Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

(COMMENT)

Following is the full text of the Resolution and the Plan of Action:

1. Plan of Action
2. Measures to address the conditions conducive to the spread of terrorism
3. Measures to prevent and combat terrorism
4. Measures to build States' capacity to prevent and combat terrorism and to strengthen the role of the United Nations system in this regard
5. Measures to ensure respect for human rights for all and the rule of law as the fundamental basis of the fight against terrorism

Resolution: The United Nations Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy
ANNEX
Plan of Action

Section II. Measures to prevent and combat terrorism:

We resolve to undertake the following measures to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorists access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets and to the desired impact of their attacks:
→ ...
2. To cooperate fully in the fight against terrorism, in accordance with our obligations under international law, in order to find, deny safe haven and bring to justice, on the basis of the principle of extradite or prosecute, any person who supports, facilitates, participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.
→ ...​

Most Respectfully,
R

I'm not sure how that relates to what I said Rocco, because I am not talking about confiscation for criminal purposes. I'm talking about destroying the homes of a terrorist's family - who have not engaged in criminal behavior - as punishment.

 

[Coyote]

Collective punishment, embargos, blockades, sanctions...

Collective Punishment
Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions.[1] Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by Resistance movements (such as destroying entire towns and villages which were believed to have harboured or aided such resistance movements).

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

But there is a lack of moral clarity in the use of embargos, blockades, seiges and sanctions. Are they collective punishment?

When do they become collective punishment?

Blockades and sanctions represent a form of "soft" pressure on a state to change some form of behavior. That's better than bombing them. So at some point collective punishment seems to be "ok" - western countries are using it on NK, it was used on Saddam's Iraq, pre-civil war Syria...and it HAS had some positive results - bringing people to the negotiating table for example.

At what point do blockades become morally unacceptable?

I agree that destroying the homes of relatives of terrorists is collective punishment. It is both morally and legally wrong of Israel to do so.

Thank you

The blockade, however, is not intended as a deterent or as punishment and isn't collective punishment. It has the very specific intent of preventing certain materials and weapons from entering Gaza.

Now, if you want to argue that there are certain sanctions which ARE collective punishment such as adding tires to the sanctions list then I might be able to agree. (Might).

But then I think we would have to talk about things like BDS. Are boycotts, divestment and sanctions also collective punishment?

I agree - and that was my question in my post...when does something go from sanctions/etc to collective punishment?

In terms of sanctions...electricity is being restricted and this has a 3-part blame to it: Hamas, PA primarily - and Israel secondarily.

U.N. urges end to Gaza crisis in punishing summer heat

According to this one, Israel has times limited basic goods:

Israel allows limited humanitarian supplies from aid organizations into the Gaza Strip, but not dual-use items, which can also be used for military purposes. According to the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories of the Israel Defense Forces, in May 2010, this included over 1.5 million litres of diesel fuel and gasoline, fruits and vegetables, wheat, sugar, meat, chicken and fish products, dairy products, animal feed, hygiene products, clothing and shoes.[22]

According to Gisha, items that have at various times been denied importation into Gaza in 2010 include ordinary consumer goods such as jam, candles, books, musical instruments, shampoo, A4 paper, and livestock such as chicken, donkeys, and cows.[23][24]

According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs at various times, Israel has blocked goods including wheelchairs, dry food items, and crayons, Stationery, soccer balls, and musical instruments.[25][26][27] International aid group Mercy Corps said it was blocked from sending 90 tons of macaroni and other foodstuffs. After international pressure, Israeli authorities said that they were giving the shipment a green light.[28] Israel was also reported to have prevented aid groups from sending in other items, such as paper, crayons, tomato paste and lentils.[29]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Collective punishment, embargos, blockades, sanctions...

Collective Punishment
Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions.[1] Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by Resistance movements (such as destroying entire towns and villages which were believed to have harboured or aided such resistance movements).

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

But there is a lack of moral clarity in the use of embargos, blockades, seiges and sanctions. Are they collective punishment?

When do they become collective punishment?

Blockades and sanctions represent a form of "soft" pressure on a state to change some form of behavior. That's better than bombing them. So at some point collective punishment seems to be "ok" - western countries are using it on NK, it was used on Saddam's Iraq, pre-civil war Syria...and it HAS had some positive results - bringing people to the negotiating table for example.

At what point do blockades become morally unacceptable?

You have FAILED to answer my question. How else does Israel contain the rampant weapons shipments that are used to attack her?

What does a farmer exporting strawberries have to do with weapons? Or a student going to college in the US or Europe have to do with weapons?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You're a fuckin' liar!

[Israel] "...does not permit Palestinian, Israeli and foreign staff of human rights organizations to enter or leave Gaza. Israel controls Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters and has prevented the operation of an airport or seaport for the past two decades..."

"Israel’s restrictions on access to and from Gaza go far beyond what is permitted by international humanitarian law and human rights law. Because Israel continues to exercise control over significant aspects of life in Gaza, it continues to have obligations under the law of occupation in the areas in which it continues to exercise control..."​

Israel also shoots unarmed protesters.

Fuckers like you, act as though the Palestinians don't have the right to have rights. Fuckers like you are cowards. You never talk about the evil you bring to the table.

Next time try a real source.

Gazans leaving Gaza
Gazans in Egypt.
Gazans in Berlin

I still don't see the law that obligates a country to give entrance to subjects of an enemy state.

I wonder why the Egyptians so tightly control travel into and out of Gaza.


Are they working with the Jews?

Egypt has it's own security interests.
In one word- ARMS TRAFFICKING PREVENTION:



Egypt also fights the Islamic state in Sinai, while their militants infiltrate Gaza.
Just two weeks ago they jammed all their communication to spot the Islamists from Sinai in Gaza.

Not to mention that Egypt doesn't look all to well at Gaza becoming an Iranian proxy.
It's a serious problem in the neighborhood.

Seems strange because Egypt and Hamas are fighting against the same people.

That is true.


It seems that despite that unifying enemy, that the people of Gaza are such that the Egyptians don't trust them to behave in a civilized fashion, if allowed to travel into, or even though their nation.

Do you think the couple billion dollars a year that the US has given to Egypt since the peace agreement has anything to do with that?

 

[Correll]

Next time try a real source.

Gazans leaving Gaza
Gazans in Egypt.
Gazans in Berlin

I still don't see the law that obligates a country to give entrance to subjects of an enemy state.

I wonder why the Egyptians so tightly control travel into and out of Gaza.


Are they working with the Jews?

Egypt has it's own security interests.
In one word- ARMS TRAFFICKING PREVENTION:



Egypt also fights the Islamic state in Sinai, while their militants infiltrate Gaza.
Just two weeks ago they jammed all their communication to spot the Islamists from Sinai in Gaza.

Not to mention that Egypt doesn't look all to well at Gaza becoming an Iranian proxy.
It's a serious problem in the neighborhood.

Seems strange because Egypt and Hamas are fighting against the same people.

That is true.


It seems that despite that unifying enemy, that the people of Gaza are such that the Egyptians don't trust them to behave in a civilized fashion, if allowed to travel into, or even though their nation.

Do you think the couple billion dollars a year that the US has given to Egypt since the peace agreement has anything to do with that?

No, the US has no reason to care if the people of Gaza get to roam around Egypt.

Or though it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Collective punishment, embargos, blockades, sanctions...

Collective Punishment
Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions.[1] Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by Resistance movements (such as destroying entire towns and villages which were believed to have harboured or aided such resistance movements).

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

But there is a lack of moral clarity in the use of embargos, blockades, seiges and sanctions. Are they collective punishment?

When do they become collective punishment?

Blockades and sanctions represent a form of "soft" pressure on a state to change some form of behavior. That's better than bombing them. So at some point collective punishment seems to be "ok" - western countries are using it on NK, it was used on Saddam's Iraq, pre-civil war Syria...and it HAS had some positive results - bringing people to the negotiating table for example.

At what point do blockades become morally unacceptable?

You have FAILED to answer my question. How else does Israel contain the rampant weapons shipments that are used to attack her?

Weapons is just Israeli propaganda bullshit. For example the flotillas was inspected by the governments where loaded. Everyone was invited to inspect the cargo before departure. The flotilla offered to allow any international body to inspect while at sea.

Everybody knew there were no weapons. Israel attacked and killed people anyway.

 

[rylah]

Here's Murtaja using a drone during the march.

Good post, thanks.

Where it the violent riot that Israeli propaganda bullshit is always talking about?

In the rifles, molotovs, granades , IED's , calls for violence and attempt to breach the fence to act upon those calls by Hamas.
All of that has already been presented in many ways throughout the thread, I suggest You go back and read the thread - there's plenty of undeniable evidence to violent intent and action.

The question about why there's no footage of that in the Palestinian propaganda is ridiculous and naive -the same as asking why doesn't the criminal provide evidence to his crime.

The video in itself - contradicts the lies about the drone spread by Gazans for days.
Lack of evidence, in the form of the bullet, footage of the incident itself, or a concrete proof by Hamas that he was killed by an Israeli - IS TELLING.
And even rise bigger questions about the possibility of direct Hamas involvement in his death, for propaganda purposes.

I'm yet rule this out with the way this case goes.

 

[Billo_Really]

All it took me was 1 post and You confirm that You're full of it.

No law no whining. When Hamas stop their stupid wars, Israel and Egypt might be more accommodating - but they owe NOTHING to the Gazans.

BTW Hamas themselves closed the crossings more than once blocking their own people from leaving.

Since 2/3's of my response was from sources you provided, you make up 66% of my "fullness".

BTW, Hamas didn't start the war, Israel did. That's what those unarmed Palestinians were protesting when your fuckers murdered them in cold blood. You showed the entire world you think Palestinians don't even have the right to protest.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Coyote, et al,

All over the world, the use of cars, boats, homes, planes and whatever, have been subject to goverment seizure when law enforcement connects that property with certain crimes. More often than not, it is some connection made with illicited transport of "drugs." But it could be any number of violations; to include the use of homes and conveyances as "safe houses" by an individual or group connected with the direct support for Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

(COMMENT)

Following is the full text of the Resolution and the Plan of Action:

1. Plan of Action
2. Measures to address the conditions conducive to the spread of terrorism
3. Measures to prevent and combat terrorism
4. Measures to build States' capacity to prevent and combat terrorism and to strengthen the role of the United Nations system in this regard
5. Measures to ensure respect for human rights for all and the rule of law as the fundamental basis of the fight against terrorism

Resolution: The United Nations Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy
ANNEX
Plan of Action

Section II. Measures to prevent and combat terrorism:

We resolve to undertake the following measures to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorists access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets and to the desired impact of their attacks:
→ ...
2. To cooperate fully in the fight against terrorism, in accordance with our obligations under international law, in order to find, deny safe haven and bring to justice, on the basis of the principle of extradite or prosecute, any person who supports, facilitates, participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.
→ ...​

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you still on that terrorism propaganda bullshit?

 

[Correll]

Collective punishment, embargos, blockades, sanctions...

Collective Punishment
Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions.[1] Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by Resistance movements (such as destroying entire towns and villages which were believed to have harboured or aided such resistance movements).

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

But there is a lack of moral clarity in the use of embargos, blockades, seiges and sanctions. Are they collective punishment?

When do they become collective punishment?

Blockades and sanctions represent a form of "soft" pressure on a state to change some form of behavior. That's better than bombing them. So at some point collective punishment seems to be "ok" - western countries are using it on NK, it was used on Saddam's Iraq, pre-civil war Syria...and it HAS had some positive results - bringing people to the negotiating table for example.

At what point do blockades become morally unacceptable?

You have FAILED to answer my question. How else does Israel contain the rampant weapons shipments that are used to attack her?

Weapons is just Israeli propaganda bullshit. For example the flotillas was inspected by the governments where loaded. Everyone was invited to inspect the cargo before departure. The flotilla offered to allow any international body to inspect while at sea.

Everybody knew there were no weapons. Israel attacked and killed people anyway.

And if it was allowed to pass, then the blockade would become an illegal blockade.


And the weapons would flow.

 

[Billo_Really]

..in general it is not the policy of Israelis to murder/target innocent civilians
..there will always be mistakes/errors/lone wolves/etc--but it is not Israel's policy to murder/target innocent civilians
it IS the policy of the Pals to murder/directly target innocent civilians

Videos showed them being shot in the head by Israeli snipers. IDF leaders have already gone on record as saying all their bullets went where they intended to go.

You're FOS! It has been Israeli policy since before it was Israel, to target innocent civilians. Just ask the members of Irgun, which is now the Likud Party.

 

[rylah]

All it took me was 1 post and You confirm that You're full of it.

No law no whining. When Hamas stop their stupid wars, Israel and Egypt might be more accommodating - but they owe NOTHING to the Gazans.

BTW Hamas themselves closed the crossings more than once blocking their own people from leaving.

Since 2/3's of my response was from sources you provided, you make up 66% of my "fullness".

BTW, Hamas didn't start the war, Israel did. That's what those unarmed Palestinians were protesting when your fuckers murdered them in cold blood. You showed the entire world you think Palestinians don't even have the right to protest.

By the response I read on Arab social media, here as well - the notion is towards Israel.

The Swastika on their flag said it all, and the open call for murder also didn't go unnoticed.

Gazans are their own worst enemies.

 

[harmonica]

..in general it is not the policy of Israelis to murder/target innocent civilians
..there will always be mistakes/errors/lone wolves/etc--but it is not Israel's policy to murder/target innocent civilians
it IS the policy of the Pals to murder/directly target innocent civilians

Videos showed them being shot in the head by Israeli snipers. IDF leaders have already gone on record as saying all their bullets went where they intended to go.

You're FOS! It has been Israeli policy since before it was Israel, to target innocent civilians. Just ask the members of Irgun, which is now the Likud Party.

please provide proof it is Israeli policy to directly target civilians
so a sniper shot a civilian---this does not show Israeli policy

 

[rylah]

Collective punishment, embargos, blockades, sanctions...

Collective Punishment
Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions.[1] Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by Resistance movements (such as destroying entire towns and villages which were believed to have harboured or aided such resistance movements).

Looking at this definition, actions that Israel has engaged in, such as destroying the homes of the families of terrorists IS collective punishment.

But there is a lack of moral clarity in the use of embargos, blockades, seiges and sanctions. Are they collective punishment?

When do they become collective punishment?

Blockades and sanctions represent a form of "soft" pressure on a state to change some form of behavior. That's better than bombing them. So at some point collective punishment seems to be "ok" - western countries are using it on NK, it was used on Saddam's Iraq, pre-civil war Syria...and it HAS had some positive results - bringing people to the negotiating table for example.

At what point do blockades become morally unacceptable?

You have FAILED to answer my question. How else does Israel contain the rampant weapons shipments that are used to attack her?

What does a farmer exporting strawberries have to do with weapons? Or a student going to college in the US or Europe have to do with weapons?

Can one turn a fertilizer into fuel, or an explosive?