Israeli Navy Opens Fire At Fishermen In Gaza

[Connery]

The article stated they were clearly within the legal bounds for fishing and that this has happened before.

It also stated: Eyewitnesses reported that the Israeli Navy fired dozens of rounds of live ammunition at several fishing boats, and into the air in an attempt to force the fishermen back to the shore.

Would the Navy use dummy rounds? Seriously? Regardless - what they did was illegal and harrassing, and prevented the fishermen from engaging in their livelihood.

Who were these eyewitnesses? Further, what kind of payload do these these "rounds" have? What are the qualification of these eyewitnesses?

This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Hey. You might have a point there. Maybe....all those supposed rockets being launched into Israel aren't real - how can you trust the eyewitness - surely they must be lying. Afterall maybe Israel launched them in order to implicate the Palestinians. This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Disclaimer: judicious amounts of sarcasm involved

The foolery is all yours, with due respect of course. The rockets fired from Palestine to Israel and from Israel to Palestine have been corroborated by several parties, moreover there has been no denying that such was done by the parties. Therein lies the truth of the matter.

All I am asking is for corroboration and proofs.

 

[toastman]

The article stated they were clearly within the legal bounds for fishing and that this has happened before.

It also stated: Eyewitnesses reported that the Israeli Navy fired dozens of rounds of live ammunition at several fishing boats, and into the air in an attempt to force the fishermen back to the shore.

Would the Navy use dummy rounds? Seriously? Regardless - what they did was illegal and harrassing, and prevented the fishermen from engaging in their livelihood.

Who were these eyewitnesses? Further, what kind of payload do these these "rounds" have? What are the qualification of these eyewitnesses?

This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Hey. You might have a point there. Maybe....all those supposed rockets being launched into Israel aren't real - how can you trust the eyewitness - surely they must be lying. Afterall maybe Israel launched them in order to implicate the Palestinians. This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Disclaimer: judicious amounts of sarcasm involved

Did you forget the partabout how Hamas and the al aqsa brigades claim responsibility for the rockets?

 

[toastman]

Whoops just saw the sarcasm comment lololol

 

[Coyote]

Who were these eyewitnesses? Further, what kind of payload do these these "rounds" have? What are the qualification of these eyewitnesses?

This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Hey. You might have a point there. Maybe....all those supposed rockets being launched into Israel aren't real - how can you trust the eyewitness - surely they must be lying. Afterall maybe Israel launched them in order to implicate the Palestinians. This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Disclaimer: judicious amounts of sarcasm involved

Did you forget the partabout how Hamas and the al aqsa brigades claim responsibility for the rockets?

They'll claim responsibility for anything just to get street cred

 

[Coyote]

Who were these eyewitnesses? Further, what kind of payload do these these "rounds" have? What are the qualification of these eyewitnesses?

This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Hey. You might have a point there. Maybe....all those supposed rockets being launched into Israel aren't real - how can you trust the eyewitness - surely they must be lying. Afterall maybe Israel launched them in order to implicate the Palestinians. This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Disclaimer: judicious amounts of sarcasm involved

The foolery is all yours, with due respect of course. The rockets fired from Palestine to Israel and from Israel to Palestine have been corroborated by several parties, moreover there has been no denying that such was done by the parties. Therein lies the truth of the matter.

All I am asking is for corroboration and proofs.

Which of course, you ONLY require from Palestinians

 

[Rocko]

Hey. You might have a point there. Maybe....all those supposed rockets being launched into Israel aren't real - how can you trust the eyewitness - surely they must be lying. Afterall maybe Israel launched them in order to implicate the Palestinians. This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Disclaimer: judicious amounts of sarcasm involved

Did you forget the partabout how Hamas and the al aqsa brigades claim responsibility for the rockets?

They'll claim responsibility for anything just to get street cred

You should claim responsibility for how stupid you are.

 

[irosie91]

it was clear from the footage that if the israelis wanted to KILL people---
they could have easily done so------good thing roles were not reversed---
given an opportunity to kill JOOOOOS and failing to do so would
have been a death sentence at home---for a gazan

 

[irosie91]

Here is a website addressing attacks on fishermen. Fishing Under Fire maintained by ISM Gaza. I read a story from 2/13/2013 2 fishermen arrested and fishing boat confiscated PCHR condemns Israeli Forces assaults on Palestinian fishermen in Gaza waters. 2/8/2013 15 Israeli violations against Gaza fishermen in January

A smear site with a cause..... PRESENTING THE INTERNATIONAL DAY OF ACTION FOR THE BOYCOTT OF ISRAELI AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS-A Day of Solidarity with Palestinian Farmers and Fishermen
Fishing Under Fire: International Day of Action for the Boycott of Israeli Agricultural Products


Next....

oh goody----now I will not have to fight all those vulgar NIQABI
ladies over the canned israeli pickles

 

[Coyote]

Did you forget the partabout how Hamas and the al aqsa brigades claim responsibility for the rockets?

They'll claim responsibility for anything just to get street cred

You should claim responsibility for how stupid you are.

Which has what to do with Israeli Navy shooting at Palestinian fishing boats? Do you think more corroboration is required? Or - is it only required when it's Palistinians? Or, is it just some big misunderstanding that can be corrected with group hug or maybe it's just a conspiracy theory?

A suggestion Rocko - try to stay remotely on topic and consider adding value to the discussion. Doesn't take much, you can do it, I know you can!

 

[Coyote]

it was clear from the footage that if the israelis wanted to KILL people---
they could have easily done so------good thing roles were not reversed---
given an opportunity to kill JOOOOOS and failing to do so would
have been a death sentence at home---for a gazan

So, you think it's ok to shoot at peaceful fishermen, fishing in their legal waters and preventing them from earning a livelihood?

Silly JOOOOOOOOOS.....let's go kills MOOOOOOOOOSLIMS

 

[Billo_Really]

What about the fish ?!??!! Won't anybody here talk about the fish ?!! They are being suffocated to death after being dragged in with a net !

Dude, you got me there!

Fish-crime, is not a topic that is easily addressed.

 

[Connery]

Hey. You might have a point there. Maybe....all those supposed rockets being launched into Israel aren't real - how can you trust the eyewitness - surely they must be lying. Afterall maybe Israel launched them in order to implicate the Palestinians. This all seems like fodder for foolery...

Disclaimer: judicious amounts of sarcasm involved

The foolery is all yours, with due respect of course. The rockets fired from Palestine to Israel and from Israel to Palestine have been corroborated by several parties, moreover there has been no denying that such was done by the parties. Therein lies the truth of the matter.

All I am asking is for corroboration and proofs.

Which of course, you ONLY require from Palestinians

Oh cut the baloney....actual proof from any verifiable source which could be and is vetted would suffice.

 

[Coyote]

The foolery is all yours, with due respect of course. The rockets fired from Palestine to Israel and from Israel to Palestine have been corroborated by several parties, moreover there has been no denying that such was done by the parties. Therein lies the truth of the matter.

All I am asking is for corroboration and proofs.

Which of course, you ONLY require from Palestinians

Oh cut the baloney....actual proof from any verifiable source which could be and is vetted would suffice.

What sources would you consider to be "verifiable"?

 

[Connery]

Which of course, you ONLY require from Palestinians

Oh cut the baloney....actual proof from any verifiable source which could be and is vetted would suffice.

What sources would you consider to be "verifiable"?

Something more substantial than "Eyewitnesses". A name, physical evidence, corroboration....something enough to launch an official investigation at which point I would take this more seriously. I do not care who is associated with what organization, cause or country if they are committing a crime or breach of established law then they should be "brought to the fore" and prosecuted.

 

[Coyote]

Oh cut the baloney....actual proof from any verifiable source which could be and is vetted would suffice.

What sources would you consider to be "verifiable"?

Something more substantial than "Eyewitnesses". A name, physical evidence, corroboration....something enough to launch an official investigation at which point I would take this more seriously. I do not care who is associated with what organization, cause or country if they are committing a crime or breach of established law then they should be "brought to the fore" and prosecuted.

It's not an isolated incident by any means - this kind of harrassment has been documented multiple times:

PressTV - Israel navy still harassing and arresting Palestinian fishermen
The old man and the 'strip and swim' procedure in Gaza - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Euro-mid Observer For Human Rights

 

[toastman]

What about the fish ?!??!! Won't anybody here talk about the fish ?!! They are being suffocated to death after being dragged in with a net !

Dude, you got me there!

Fish-crime, is not a topic that is easily addressed.

But then again, I;m a fisherman myself ! I also free dive spearfish ...

Do you live anywhere near the water by any chance ?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

it was clear from the footage that if the israelis wanted to KILL people---
they could have easily done so------good thing roles were not reversed---
given an opportunity to kill JOOOOOS and failing to do so would
have been a death sentence at home---for a gazan

So, you think it's ok to shoot at peaceful fishermen, fishing in their legal waters and preventing them from earning a livelihood?

Silly JOOOOOOOOOS.....let's go kills MOOOOOOOOOSLIMS

Therein lies the problem. They weren't in legal waters they were illegally trespassing where they should not have been. The Israelis did what they had to to move them along. No one was hurt. If they obey the laws of the land / waters they won't have any problems. It is very simple - Jeremiah NOTE*** Comment about silly jews want to go kill Muslims was highly inappropriate in my opinion. You are a moderator. Act like one. Thank you.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Since the declaration of the "ceasefire"(18/1/2009) and till the end of 2010, at least 3 fishermen have been killed by IOF, at least 12 fishermen have been injured by gunfire (and another one sustained burns after shelling) in the sea, while another 5 have been reportedly injured on shore by Israeli shelling (among other Palestinian civilians including children). 94 abductions have been reported (at least 2 fishermen abducted twice) and 39 "confiscations" of fishing boats. Several fishing boats have been returned but with damages and equipment missing, and at least one hassaka was stolen again.

Fishing Under Fire: Partial list of major attacks against Palestinian fishermen (September 2008 - December 2010)

Sherri

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Why the mullet, not the Israel Navy, are to blame for the death of a Gaza fisherman

Haaretz

Israel allows fishermen to sail only to a distance of three nautical miles off the Gaza shore, instead of 20, as specified in the Oslo Accords. But the fish have the chutzpah not to take this restriction into account.

By Amira Hass | Oct.29, 2012 | 4:09 AM

Abu Riash of Beit Lahia was a fisherman, 22 years old, married to Fatma, father of 16-month-old Saleh. From the standard response of the IDF spokesman (in the style of "copy and paste" ) we can conclude that the "suspicious figures" were walking on foot to the border fence. Maybe they were also hiding suspicious objects in their bags. But that is not the case. When he was shot, Abu Riash was standing in the water, about five meters from the beach. That Friday morning he went out with his brother and cousin to fish for mullet, which swim in schools near the beach. That's why "we didn't go out in boats," explained the cousin, Yousef Ziad, adding a few details to the "overall circumstances." "We entered the water almost naked, we cast the nets. We were a few meters from the beach. And it's true, not far from the border, a few dozen meters from the fence that continues into the water. We started out further away (from the fence) and advanced with the movement of the fish."

And additional details omitted from the "overall circumstances": Israel allows the Gaza fisherman to sail only to a distance of three nautical miles (instead of 20, as specified in the Oslo Accords). The fish have the chutzpah not to take into account this restriction, for the most part. That's why the proximity of the mullet to the beach is a welcome opportunity for earning money. Every week, in a routine that the omniscient narrator ignores in his routine reports, the soldiers of the Israeli Navy fire on Palestinian fishermen (still within the three-mile limit) and sometimes detain them and transfer them for a minor interrogation at the Shin Bet security service's offices in Ashdod (only last week four were detained), in an attempt to gather intelligence information. Due to the shooting, the routine of instilling fear and the restriction of maritime space, the fishing industry has shrunk greatly and many have joined the army of the unemployed (28.4 percent in the Strip, according to the World Bank ) and to families suffering from food uncertainty (52 percent according to the United Nations ).

Fishing Under Fire: fisherman killed

Sherri

 

[Connery]

What sources would you consider to be "verifiable"?

Something more substantial than "Eyewitnesses". A name, physical evidence, corroboration....something enough to launch an official investigation at which point I would take this more seriously. I do not care who is associated with what organization, cause or country if they are committing a crime or breach of established law then they should be "brought to the fore" and prosecuted.

It's not an isolated incident by any means - this kind of harrassment has been documented multiple times:

PressTV - Israel navy still harassing and arresting Palestinian fishermen
The old man and the 'strip and swim' procedure in Gaza - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Euro-mid Observer For Human Rights

Have these people been prosecuted to your knowledge and if not why not.