Israel's Apartheid Laws

[TakeAStepBack]

I'm not in Israel and i don't much care for porn. Anyone who doesn't think Israel is the greatest thing ever is apparently not welcome to the discussion......

 

[docmauser1]

I'm not in Israel and i don't much care for porn. Anyone who doesn't think Israel is the greatest thing ever is apparently not welcome to the discussion......

Hilarious comeback drivel!

 

[Hossfly]

I'm not in Israel and i don't much care for porn. Anyone who doesn't think Israel is the greatest thing ever is apparently not welcome to the discussion......

You don't like porn? Of course you do. Try a sample. 2011 Hooters Calendar

 

[patrickcaturday]

Don't forget Jews also have 52 states (Florida and NY are their faves) and all of Canada too.

niehter of which is the Jewish homeland. If Jews want to live there, it's their own personal issue. However, America is for the Americans, Israel is for the people of Israel.

It is not that complicated, really.

At least 5 times more Jews live in the US than live in Israel. So going by the numbers, I'd say that most Jews don't want to live in Israel either. It's more like a toy to annoy arabs with.

Ima;
You need to check your facts ! As of 2004 according to the US State Dept. Jewish population in Israel was 5.9 Million, in the USA it was 5.4 million !

Jewish population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Billo_Really]

A much better idea would be to have a humanitarian evacuation of all of the Jews from the area.

We can give'em Wisconsin (the Mormon's already took Utah).

 

[JStone]

Former Prime Minister of Spain Jose Maria Aznar: Israel The Only Democracy In The Middle East

We cannot forget that Israel is the West’s best ally in a turbulent region. Israel is a nation with deeply rooted democratic institutions. It is a dynamic and open society that has repeatedly excelled in culture, science and technology. Owing to its roots, history, and values, Israel is a fully fledged Western nation. Indeed, it is a normal Western nation, but one confronted by abnormal circumstances. What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude.

Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined. The real threats to regional stability, however, are to be found in the rise of a radical Islamism which sees Israel’s destruction as the fulfillment of its religious destiny and, simultaneously in the case of Iran, as an expression of its ambitions for regional hegemony. Both phenomena are threats that affect not only Israel, but also the wider West and the world at large.

Israel is our first line of defense in a turbulent region that is constantly at risk of descending into chaos; a region vital to our energy security owing to our overdependence on Middle Eastern oil; a region that forms the front line in the fight against extremism. If Israel goes down, we all go down. To defend Israel’s right to exist in peace, within secure borders, requires a degree of moral and strategic clarity that too often seems to have disappeared in Europe. The United States shows worrying signs of heading in the same direction.

The West is going through a period of confusion over the shape of the world’s future. To a great extent, this confusion is caused by a kind of masochistic self-doubt over our own identity; by the rule of political correctness; by a multiculturalism that forces us to our knees before others; and by a secularism which, irony of ironies, blinds us even when we are confronted by jihadis promoting the most fanatical incarnation of their faith. To abandon Israel to its fate, at this moment of all moments, would merely serve to illustrate how far we have sunk and how inexorable our decline now appears.

This cannot be allowed to happen. Motivated by the need to rebuild our own Western values, expressing deep concern about the wave of aggression against Israel, and mindful that Israel’s strength is our strength and Israel’s weakness is our weakness, I have decided to promote a new Friends of Israel initiative with the help of some prominent people, including David Trimble, Andrew Roberts, John Bolton, Alejandro Toledo (the former President of Peru), Marcello Pera (philosopher and former President of the Italian Senate), Fiamma Nirenstein (the Italian author and politician), the financier Robert Agostinelli and the Catholic intellectual George Weigel.

What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude. Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined.

Republicans Abroad

Former Prime Minister of Spain Jose Maria Aznar

If Israel goes down, we all go down. If Israel is a part of the Western world, if the Western world is eliminated from the Middle East, it is a problem for all of us not only for ISrael. It would be a great victory for the enemies of democracy, for the enemies of freedom."

What Israel and the Jewish People have meant historically to Western democracy: "I cannot explain Europe, I cannot explain my country, I cannot explain myself without referring to this heritage they share with us the same values: Freedom, democracy, tolerance and pluralism."

"Trying to isolate Israel is not a good policy. And to demonize Israel is not a good policy."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23kvw85tWs]Aznar on his "Friends of Israel" initiative - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Roudy]

At least 5 times more Jews live in the US than live in Israel. So going by the numbers, I'd say that most Jews don't want to live in Israel either. It's more like a toy to annoy arabs with.

Ima;
You need to check your facts ! As of 2004 according to the US State Dept. Jewish population in Israel was 5.9 Million, in the USA it was 5.4 million !

Jewish population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ima's "facts" seem to be located where most people defecate from.

 

[Billo_Really]

Is this where you guys come to take out your frustrations of having gentiles nearby?

I see Israel on the map. I recognize their right to be there too. I just don't give a fuck about Israel.

That's exactly what I think!

I'm a citizen of a completely different country on the other side of the planet. They play no role in my daily life regarding the things that are important to me. I could care less whether they sink or swim. It's not my dance.

 

[JStone]

Tashbih Sayyed, Muslim Pakistani scholar, journalist, and author and former Editor in Chief of Our Times, Pakistan Today, and The Muslim World Today

A Muslim In A Jewish Land

I tried very hard to find any Muslim state that has true democracy and where religious minorities are accorded equal democratic rights, but failed. The map of the Muslim world is too crowded with kings, despots, dictators, sham democrats and theocratic autocrats and the persecution of minorities is an essential part of Islamist social behavior.

Here, protected by Israel's democratic principles, the Muslim Arab citizens of Israel are afforded all the rights and privileges of Israeli citizenship. When the first elections to the Knesset were held in February 1949, Israeli Arabs were given the right to vote and to be elected along with Israeli Jews. Today, Israel's Arab citizens are accorded full civil and political rights entitled to complete participation in Israeli society. They are active in Israeli social, political and civic life and enjoy representation in Israel's Parliament, Foreign Service and judicial system.

Large Arab residences, wide spread construction activity and big cars underlined the prosperity and affluence of Palestinians living under the Star of David. The big houses owned by Arab Israelis and the amount of construction that was going on in the Arab towns exposed the falsity of propaganda that Israel discriminates against Israeli Arabs from buying lands. The Arab Waqf owns land that is for the express use and benefit of Muslim Arabs. Government land can be leased by anyone, regardless of race, religion or sex. All Arab citizens of Israel are eligible to lease government land.

On my way from the city of David to the Royal Prima hotel in Jerusalem, I asked my Palestinian taxi driver how he feels about moving to the territories under Palestinian Authority. He said that he could never think of living outside Israel. His answer blasted the myth spread by anti-Semites that Israel's Arab citizens are not happy there. Another Israeli Arab informed me that Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights. In fact, Israel is one of the few countries in the Middle East where Arab women can vote. In contrast to the non-Israeli Arab world, Arab women in Israel enjoy the same status as men. Muslim women have the right to vote and to be elected to public office. Muslim women, in fact are more liberated in Israel than in any Muslim country. Israeli law prohibits polygamy, child marriage, and the barbarity of female sexual mutilation. Moreover, I found out that there are no incidences of honor killings in Israel. The status of Muslim women in Israel is far above that of any country in the region. Israeli health standards are by far the highest in the Middle East and Israeli health institutions are freely open to all Arabs, on the same basis as they are to Jews.

Israel's Arabic press is the most vibrant and independent of any country in the region. There are more than 20 Arabic periodicals. Today, there are hundreds of Arab schools. Israeli universities are renowned centers of learning in the history and literature of the Arab Middle East.
Aware of the constraints that a non-Wahhabi is faced with while performing religious rituals in Saudi Arabia, Kiran (my wife) could not hide her surprise at the freedoms and ease with which peoples of all religions and faiths were carrying out their religious obligations at the Church of the holy Sepulcher, Garden Tomb, Sea of Galilee, newly discovered Western Wall Tunnels, Western Wall, tomb of King David and all the other holy places we visited.

My first visit to Israel has not only consolidated my belief that Israel is vital for the stability of the region but has also convinced me that the existence of Israel will one day convince the Muslims of the necessity of reformation in their theology as well as sociology. Looking at the development and transformation that the land has gone through because of the Jewish innovative spirit, hard labor and commitment to freedoms for all times to come, I am convinced that it is true that God created this earth but it is also a fact that only an Israel can keep this earth from dying.
Muslim World Today: Front Page 1222005

 

[ima]

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Ima;
You need to check your facts ! As of 2004 according to the US State Dept. Jewish population in Israel was 5.9 Million, in the USA it was 5.4 million !

Jewish population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ima's "facts" seem to be located where most people defecate from.

here's from the US census bureau http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0076.pdf
6.5 million Jews in the US, still more than in Israel. If you add up all the Jews in other countries, there are many more Jews who DON'T want to live in Israel than live in it, like 2 or 3 times as many. (ok, I thought it was more in the US, my apologies, I guess the Jewish lobby just makes it seems like there's more of you here given that they've been able to make every prez shit matzo balls on command).

 

[Lipush]

At least 5 times more Jews live in the US than live in Israel. So going by the numbers, I'd say that most Jews don't want to live in Israel either. It's more like a toy to annoy arabs with.

Ima;
You need to check your facts ! As of 2004 according to the US State Dept. Jewish population in Israel was 5.9 Million, in the USA it was 5.4 million !

Jewish population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to mention the mathematical error in the statement.

In Israel live about 6 million Jews give or take. Maybe a little over 5.5

5 times more Jews in the USA? it means that in the use there are 25 million? 26?

How is it possible, if in general there are less then 16 million Jews all over the world?

Someone just made themselves sound really stupid

 

[Billo_Really]

If the stupid, off-topic math lesson is over, I'd like to get back to the thread topic...

Another classic example of Isreal's apartheid policy, is what happened in Hebron.

Hebron...present a case history of what Palestinians under Israeli occupation have endured for decades from a state-imposed policy of separation, forced displacement and terror. They show how Israel is colonizing Palestine incrementally through new and expanding settlements on illegally seized land. The human toll is horrific - "protracted and severe harm to Palestinians (from) some of the gravest human rights violations" against them that go unaddressed in the mainstream and continue unabated.

Hebron's City Center is a case study example. It was once a thriving commercial and residential area. Today it's a "Ghost Town" because Israel destroyed its fabric of life through a state-imposed policy of land seizures, extended curfews, harsh restrictions on free movement and unaddressed violence. Combined, they terrorize Palestinians and prohibit them from driving or even walking on the area's main streets. That, in turn, makes life impossible for them. The consequences have been devastating with peoples' lives uprooted. The material below reviews the evidence B'Tselem and ACRI revealed in their study. Consider the consequences.

Since the territories were occupied in 1967, Israel expelled tens of thousands of Palestinians throughout the OPT. In Hebron alone, thousands of residents and merchants were removed or had no other option than to leave the City Center because of Israel's "principle of separation" policy.

Hebron is important as the West Bank's second largest city, the largest in the territory's South, and the only Palestinian city with an Israeli settlement in its center. It's concentrated in and around the Old City that once was the entire southern West Bank's commercial center. No longer.

Yeah, right, everybody is treated the same, in apartheid Israel.

For many years, Israel severely oppressed Palestinians in Hebron's center. It partitioned the city into northern and southern parts and created a long strip of land for Jewish vehicles only. In addition, in areas open to Palestinians, they're subjected to "repeated detention and humiliating inspections" any time, for any reason, and it got worse after the 1994 Baruch Goldstein massacre of Muslim worshipers in the Tomb of the Patriarchs. Israel's military commander ordered many Palestinian-owned shops closed that were the livelihood for thousands of people. In addition, he condoned frequent settler violence as a way to remove Palestinians from their own land. It worked.

I think we should start calling these Israeli settlers, "jewish insurgents".

The IDF protects Israeli settlers who freely attack Palestinians with impunity. Offenses include physical assaults and beatings (at times with clubs), stone throwing, and hurling of refuse, sand, water, chlorine, and empty bottles. Settlers also loot Palestinian shops and commit acts of vandalism against them and other owner property. Killings also occur as well as attempts to run over people with vehicles, fruit trees chopped down, water wells poisoned, home break-ins, and hot liquids poured on Palestinian faces. IDF forces are positioned everywhere in the area. They witness settler acts and do nothing to stop them.

Soldiers also commit violence and use excessive force as do police. In addition, they engage in arbitrary house searches at all hours of the day and night, house seizures, harassment, and random detentions and humiliating searches and treatment overall. These actions violate international and Israeli administrative and constitutional law. They persist nonetheless.

I'm beginning to think right-wing Israeli's are just pure evil. You gotta really work to be this sadistic.

No need to react to this post. I know everything you're gonna say, thanks to that book, The Republican Brain. Boo-yah!

 

[Roudy]

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Ima;
You need to check your facts ! As of 2004 according to the US State Dept. Jewish population in Israel was 5.9 Million, in the USA it was 5.4 million !

Jewish population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to mention the mathematical error in the statement.

In Israel live about 6 million Jews give or take. Maybe a little over 5.5

5 times more Jews in the USA? it means that in the use there are 25 million? 26?

How is it possible, if in general there are less then 16 million Jews all over the world?

Someone just made themselves sound really stupid

Islamic math.

 

[Lipush]

If the stupid, off-topic math lesson is over, I'd like to get back to the thread topic...

Another classic example of Isreal's apartheid policy, is what happened in Hebron.

Hebron...present a case history of what Palestinians under Israeli occupation have endured for decades from a state-imposed policy of separation, forced displacement and terror. They show how Israel is colonizing Palestine incrementally through new and expanding settlements on illegally seized land. The human toll is horrific - "protracted and severe harm to Palestinians (from) some of the gravest human rights violations" against them that go unaddressed in the mainstream and continue unabated.

Hebron's City Center is a case study example. It was once a thriving commercial and residential area. Today it's a "Ghost Town" because Israel destroyed its fabric of life through a state-imposed policy of land seizures, extended curfews, harsh restrictions on free movement and unaddressed violence. Combined, they terrorize Palestinians and prohibit them from driving or even walking on the area's main streets. That, in turn, makes life impossible for them. The consequences have been devastating with peoples' lives uprooted. The material below reviews the evidence B'Tselem and ACRI revealed in their study. Consider the consequences.

Since the territories were occupied in 1967, Israel expelled tens of thousands of Palestinians throughout the OPT. In Hebron alone, thousands of residents and merchants were removed or had no other option than to leave the City Center because of Israel's "principle of separation" policy.

Hebron is important as the West Bank's second largest city, the largest in the territory's South, and the only Palestinian city with an Israeli settlement in its center. It's concentrated in and around the Old City that once was the entire southern West Bank's commercial center. No longer.

Yeah, right, everybody is treated the same, in apartheid Israel.

For many years, Israel severely oppressed Palestinians in Hebron's center. It partitioned the city into northern and southern parts and created a long strip of land for Jewish vehicles only. In addition, in areas open to Palestinians, they're subjected to "repeated detention and humiliating inspections" any time, for any reason, and it got worse after the 1994 Baruch Goldstein massacre of Muslim worshipers in the Tomb of the Patriarchs. Israel's military commander ordered many Palestinian-owned shops closed that were the livelihood for thousands of people. In addition, he condoned frequent settler violence as a way to remove Palestinians from their own land. It worked.

I think we should start calling these Israeli settlers, "jewish insurgents".

The IDF protects Israeli settlers who freely attack Palestinians with impunity. Offenses include physical assaults and beatings (at times with clubs), stone throwing, and hurling of refuse, sand, water, chlorine, and empty bottles. Settlers also loot Palestinian shops and commit acts of vandalism against them and other owner property. Killings also occur as well as attempts to run over people with vehicles, fruit trees chopped down, water wells poisoned, home break-ins, and hot liquids poured on Palestinian faces. IDF forces are positioned everywhere in the area. They witness settler acts and do nothing to stop them.

Soldiers also commit violence and use excessive force as do police. In addition, they engage in arbitrary house searches at all hours of the day and night, house seizures, harassment, and random detentions and humiliating searches and treatment overall. These actions violate international and Israeli administrative and constitutional law. They persist nonetheless.

I'm beginning to think right-wing Israeli's are just pure evil. You gotta really work to be this sadistic.

No need to react to this post. I know everything you're gonna say, thanks to that book, The Republican Brain. Boo-yah!

No, you simply live in a tiny box that is waaay to tiny.

Some right wing Israelis are pure realistic. Not all are "Baruch Goldsteins"

 

[Lipush]

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Ima;
You need to check your facts ! As of 2004 according to the US State Dept. Jewish population in Israel was 5.9 Million, in the USA it was 5.4 million !

Jewish population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to mention the mathematical error in the statement.

In Israel live about 6 million Jews give or take. Maybe a little over 5.5

5 times more Jews in the USA? it means that in the use there are 25 million? 26?

How is it possible, if in general there are less then 16 million Jews all over the world?

Someone just made themselves sound really stupid

Islamic math.

Ima is a Muslim?

I don't think It's Islamic math, I think is a stupid math, is all.

People should check basic actual facts before saying things which don't make any sense.

 

[Billo_Really]

No, you simply live in a tiny box that is waaay to tiny.

Some right wing Israelis are pure realistic. Not all are "Baruch Goldsteins"

Realistic my ass! You can't even deal with the article I just posted, that say's right there you want no part of reality. You just live in this make believe, pollyanna world where you make up what you want to be real. Like me in a tiny box. Which has nothing to do with anything. This isn't about me. I didn't write the article. BTW, the source of the report is jewish. Written by jews living in Israel. It's pretty common sense to assume that they would know what's going on in their own country. But you dismiss that and act like they don't. Then turn right around and try to talk to me about what is real.

 

[Sunni Man]

No, you simply live in a tiny box that is waaay to tiny.

Some right wing Israelis are pure realistic. Not all are "Baruch Goldsteins"

Realistic my ass! You can't even deal with the article I just posted, that say's right there you want no part of reality. You just live in this make believe, pollyanna world where you make up what you want to be real. Like me in a tiny box. Which has nothing to do with anything. This isn't about me. I didn't write the article. BTW, the source of the report is jewish. Written by jews living in Israel. It's pretty common sense to assume that they would know what's going on in their own country. But you dismiss that and act like they don't. Then turn right around and try to talk to me about what is real.

Zionist's version of reality and truth; are light years from reality and truth.

 

[Lipush]

No, you simply live in a tiny box that is waaay to tiny.

Some right wing Israelis are pure realistic. Not all are "Baruch Goldsteins"

Realistic my ass! You can't even deal with the article I just posted, that say's right there you want no part of reality. You just live in this make believe, pollyanna world where you make up what you want to be real. Like me in a tiny box. Which has nothing to do with anything. This isn't about me. I didn't write the article. BTW, the source of the report is jewish. Written by jews living in Israel. It's pretty common sense to assume that they would know what's going on in their own country. But you dismiss that and act like they don't. Then turn right around and try to talk to me about what is real.

First of all, WHY are you so angry? wer'e debating, no need to bite my head off.

Second, i did respond to your points, fact that you didn't like my point of view doesn't mean I didn't.

Most of the Israeli laws regarding immigration are more then logical. They exist all over the world.

I didn't dismiss your sources, but I simply don't see them as bad as you do.

But then again, what is exactly that you expect from people who have a total enemy community live inside them?

I really don't understand how can someone that probebly knows nothing about living in such condition, to critisize.

No offense.

 

[Lipush]

No, you simply live in a tiny box that is waaay to tiny.

Some right wing Israelis are pure realistic. Not all are "Baruch Goldsteins"

Realistic my ass! You can't even deal with the article I just posted, that say's right there you want no part of reality. You just live in this make believe, pollyanna world where you make up what you want to be real. Like me in a tiny box. Which has nothing to do with anything. This isn't about me. I didn't write the article. BTW, the source of the report is jewish. Written by jews living in Israel. It's pretty common sense to assume that they would know what's going on in their own country. But you dismiss that and act like they don't. Then turn right around and try to talk to me about what is real.

Zionist's version of reality and truth; are light years from reality and truth.

Unlike Terrorists muslims, which their view makes SO MUCH SENSE!

 

[ima]

Realistic my ass! You can't even deal with the article I just posted, that say's right there you want no part of reality. You just live in this make believe, pollyanna world where you make up what you want to be real. Like me in a tiny box. Which has nothing to do with anything. This isn't about me. I didn't write the article. BTW, the source of the report is jewish. Written by jews living in Israel. It's pretty common sense to assume that they would know what's going on in their own country. But you dismiss that and act like they don't. Then turn right around and try to talk to me about what is real.

Zionist's version of reality and truth; are light years from reality and truth.

Unlike Terrorists muslims, which their view makes SO MUCH SENSE!

Sorry Lips, but Sunni isn't a terrorist, but you are a zionist. Please try again.