Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[MJB12741]

theliq, et al,

You are using generic allegations (theft, murder, and expulsion), not pinned to a particular event of period in time. The current ad hoc Government of Palestine is fractured and on the verge of being dysfunctional. The principle Factions now operating in [what has come to be called as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt)] the territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177). The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

§ Selected elements of the People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded 1961;
§ People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded in 1964;
§ Selected elements of the Palestine Popular Struggle Front (PPSF) Founded in 1967;
§ Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) Founded 1967;
§ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) Founded 1968;
§ Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) Founded in 1969;
§ Revolutionary Communist Party (RCPof Palestine) Founded 1982;
§ Fatah Intifada (Abu Musa)Founded 1983;
§ Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) Founded 1987;
§ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Founded 1987;
​

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

(COMMENT)

All that can be said, is in the Fourth Geneva Convention, which the UN Security Council directed to be applied in UNSC Resolution 237: and again in Resolution 446:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 --- STATES IN PART: ---

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

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Additional Protocol I
Article 43(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

Additional Protocol II
Article 1(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides that the Protocol
shall apply to all armed conflicts … which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
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The Arab Palestinians have no special rights or dispensation to Jihad and Armed Conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

No question that the Palestinians have been their own greatest enemy. It's called Palestinian mentality.

 

[montelatici]

theliq, et al,

You are using generic allegations (theft, murder, and expulsion), not pinned to a particular event of period in time. The current ad hoc Government of Palestine is fractured and on the verge of being dysfunctional. The principle Factions now operating in [what has come to be called as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt)] the territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177). The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

§ Selected elements of the People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded 1961;
§ People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded in 1964;
§ Selected elements of the Palestine Popular Struggle Front (PPSF) Founded in 1967;
§ Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) Founded 1967;
§ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) Founded 1968;
§ Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) Founded in 1969;
§ Revolutionary Communist Party (RCPof Palestine) Founded 1982;
§ Fatah Intifada (Abu Musa)Founded 1983;
§ Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) Founded 1987;
§ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Founded 1987;
​

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

(COMMENT)

All that can be said, is in the Fourth Geneva Convention, which the UN Security Council directed to be applied in UNSC Resolution 237: and again in Resolution 446:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 --- STATES IN PART: ---

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

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Additional Protocol I
Article 43(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

Additional Protocol II
Article 1(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides that the Protocol
shall apply to all armed conflicts … which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
​

The Arab Palestinians have no special rights or dispensation to Jihad and Armed Conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

No question that the Palestinians have been their own greatest enemy. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Native people that have been invaded by foreigners have every right to resist the invader in any way possible. Pursuant to

"United Nations
A/RES/37/43

General Assembly
Distr. GENERAL

3 December 1982

ORIGINAL:
ENGLISH



.........................2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Would you say the Native American mentality that caused them to resist the European invasion was unreasonable?

 

[RoccoR]

theliq, et al,

Semantics is all you have......

(COMMENT)

"Semantics is the study of meaning. It focuses on the relationship between signifiers—like words, phrases, signs, and symbols—and what they stand for, their denotation."

Maybe that is part of what I have.

The Zionists only AIM was to try to eliminate Palestinians from Palestine Their the Palestinians Chosen Land......where they had been for thousands of years,you can say what you like Rocco,but we know what you did,how you did it and the stain of Guiltiness you will always carry......it will bite you in the future,all on the Mad sayings of an Athiest Zionist Jew............

(COMMENT)

I have know Idea what you are talking about.

Zionism is the Precurser to all Terrorism......Zionists are and always have been TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.......despite all your protestations, anyhow what makes you imagine Israels government are functional????

(COMMENT)

Zionism only arose in the mid-to-late 1800's. I'm sure that the use of "terrorism" as an instrument of power predates both political Zionism and cultural Zionism.

Israeli sovereignty covers a geographic area which is nearly three-quarters of the Israelis are Jewish (of which 75% are Sabra). The major characteristics ethnoreligious components to the population come from Muslims 17.6%; with the remainder (≈7.4%) consisting of Christians, Druze and others.

anyhow what makes you imagine Israels government are functional????

(COMMENT)

Of all the nations in or adjacent to the Levant, Israel is the most economic and commercially successful --- with the highest human development characteristics of any Arab League state.

They are a Right Wing Terrorist Government, that is why decent Jews are leaving Israel in hordes........

(COMMENT)

Well, Israel is not the most prosperous country in the world, but it is maintains a steady and sustainable growth rate.

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They have SEEN THE SUPPOSED DREAM .....AND DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT........FACT...you and your Possee ramble on about how Great Israel is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..Being a Zionist is nothing to be Proud Of>>>>>>>>steve....

(COMMENT)

So, --- I suppose that the Arab Palestinians leaders offer a better way of life.

Think what you will of the Zionist of the 1906. The principle objective of Zionism was the reconstituting their national home and Jewish sovereignty in the Ottoman Territory of Palestine. Establishing a place of refugee for Jews from the antisemitic discrimination and persecution.

As a measure of success, you might compare the objective to the resulting outcome.

and why would I need to give you specific periods or time lines when this has been going on since 1906....

(COMMENT)

What "rights and title" did the Arabs of Ottoman Palestine have in 1906? (Rhetorical) The simple fact is that in 1906 all the territory of Ottoman Palestine was in the hands of Mehmed VI (the last Sultan of the Ottoman Empire).

you are merely blurring my response to try to give yourself a superior angle....Fcuking does not work anymore Rocco,as I can see through you as if you were/are a sheet of plastic...........Shameful POST Rocco,I expect better from you...st

(COMMENT)

Think what you will of me --- tarnish what you can. I think I can withstand any attack you might mount against my character. But that does not diminish the content of the arguments I present.

• One plus One is Two. Truth --- in accordance with the facts and the reality of the time, is still Truth, no matter the evil which might speak it.
------------------------------------------------------------ R3, Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, 1985
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

Indeed, they still reject the colonial project. Adopting General Assembly resolution 1514 would solve this problem. This isn't rocket science.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, P F Tinmore, theliq, et al,

Yes, I've seen this argument before.

theliq, et al,

You are using generic allegations (theft, murder, and expulsion), not pinned to a particular event of period in time. The current ad hoc Government of Palestine is fractured and on the verge of being dysfunctional. The principle Factions now operating in [what has come to be called as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt)] the territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177). The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

§ Selected elements of the People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded 1961;
§ People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded in 1964;
§ Selected elements of the Palestine Popular Struggle Front (PPSF) Founded in 1967;
§ Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) Founded 1967;
§ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) Founded 1968;
§ Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) Founded in 1969;
§ Revolutionary Communist Party (RCPof Palestine) Founded 1982;
§ Fatah Intifada (Abu Musa)Founded 1983;
§ Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) Founded 1987;
§ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Founded 1987;
​

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

(COMMENT)

All that can be said, is in the Fourth Geneva Convention, which the UN Security Council directed to be applied in UNSC Resolution 237: and again in Resolution 446:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 --- STATES IN PART: ---

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

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Additional Protocol I
Article 43(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

Additional Protocol II
Article 1(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides that the Protocol
shall apply to all armed conflicts … which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
​

The Arab Palestinians have no special rights or dispensation to Jihad and Armed Conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

No question that the Palestinians have been their own greatest enemy. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Native people that have been invaded by foreigners have every right to resist the invader in any way possible. Pursuant to

"United Nations
A/RES/37/43

​

General Assembly
Distr. GENERAL

3 December 1982

ORIGINAL:
ENGLISH



.........................2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Would you say the Native American mentality that caused them to resist the European invasion was unreasonable?

(COMMENT)

No non-binding Resolution may supersede binding Treaty Law. The Treaty Law that has been common since 1950 is the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV). See the excerpts already cited above.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

theliq, et al,

You are using generic allegations (theft, murder, and expulsion), not pinned to a particular event of period in time. The current ad hoc Government of Palestine is fractured and on the verge of being dysfunctional. The principle Factions now operating in [what has come to be called as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt)] the territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177). The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

§ Selected elements of the People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded 1961;
§ People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded in 1964;
§ Selected elements of the Palestine Popular Struggle Front (PPSF) Founded in 1967;
§ Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) Founded 1967;
§ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) Founded 1968;
§ Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) Founded in 1969;
§ Revolutionary Communist Party (RCPof Palestine) Founded 1982;
§ Fatah Intifada (Abu Musa)Founded 1983;
§ Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) Founded 1987;
§ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Founded 1987;
​

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

(COMMENT)

All that can be said, is in the Fourth Geneva Convention, which the UN Security Council directed to be applied in UNSC Resolution 237: and again in Resolution 446:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 --- STATES IN PART: ---

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

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Additional Protocol I
Article 43(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

Additional Protocol II
Article 1(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides that the Protocol
shall apply to all armed conflicts … which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
​

The Arab Palestinians have no special rights or dispensation to Jihad and Armed Conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

No question that the Palestinians have been their own greatest enemy. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Native people that have been invaded by foreigners have every right to resist the invader in any way possible. Pursuant to

"United Nations
A/RES/37/43

​

General Assembly
Distr. GENERAL

3 December 1982

ORIGINAL:
ENGLISH



.........................2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Would you say the Native American mentality that caused them to resist the European invasion was unreasonable?

As much as you would hope to encourage the Arabs-Moslems toward violence and armed attacks directed at the Israelis, nothing in your article provides an entitlement to kill israeli citizens.

That's the problem you are confronted with when you mindlessly cut and paste articles without understanding some very basic principles.

 

[montelatici]

theliq, et al,

You are using generic allegations (theft, murder, and expulsion), not pinned to a particular event of period in time. The current ad hoc Government of Palestine is fractured and on the verge of being dysfunctional. The principle Factions now operating in [what has come to be called as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt)] the territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177). The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

§ Selected elements of the People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded 1961;
§ People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded in 1964;
§ Selected elements of the Palestine Popular Struggle Front (PPSF) Founded in 1967;
§ Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) Founded 1967;
§ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) Founded 1968;
§ Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) Founded in 1969;
§ Revolutionary Communist Party (RCPof Palestine) Founded 1982;
§ Fatah Intifada (Abu Musa)Founded 1983;
§ Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) Founded 1987;
§ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Founded 1987;
​

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

(COMMENT)

All that can be said, is in the Fourth Geneva Convention, which the UN Security Council directed to be applied in UNSC Resolution 237: and again in Resolution 446:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 --- STATES IN PART: ---

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

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Additional Protocol I
Article 43(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

Additional Protocol II
Article 1(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides that the Protocol
shall apply to all armed conflicts … which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
​

The Arab Palestinians have no special rights or dispensation to Jihad and Armed Conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

No question that the Palestinians have been their own greatest enemy. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Native people that have been invaded by foreigners have every right to resist the invader in any way possible. Pursuant to

"United Nations
A/RES/37/43

​

General Assembly
Distr. GENERAL

3 December 1982

ORIGINAL:
ENGLISH



.........................2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Would you say the Native American mentality that caused them to resist the European invasion was unreasonable?

As much as you would hope to encourage the Arabs-Moslems toward violence and armed attacks directed at the Israelis, nothing in your article provides an entitlement to kill israeli citizens.

That's the problem you are confronted with when you mindlessly cut and paste articles without understanding some very basic principles.

Your problem is that you confuse "articles" with excerpts of treaties, resolutions or laws. LOL

 

[P F Tinmore]

No non-binding Resolution may supersede binding Treaty Law.

There is a partial truth to that. However, a resolution that is based on relevant international law defines the applicability of existing law. Even if the resolution itself is non binding the referenced international law is binding.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, P F Tinmore, theliq, et al,

Yes, I've seen this argument before.

theliq, et al,

You are using generic allegations (theft, murder, and expulsion), not pinned to a particular event of period in time. The current ad hoc Government of Palestine is fractured and on the verge of being dysfunctional. The principle Factions now operating in [what has come to be called as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt)] the territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177). The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

§ Selected elements of the People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded 1961;
§ People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded in 1964;
§ Selected elements of the Palestine Popular Struggle Front (PPSF) Founded in 1967;
§ Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) Founded 1967;
§ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) Founded 1968;
§ Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) Founded in 1969;
§ Revolutionary Communist Party (RCPof Palestine) Founded 1982;
§ Fatah Intifada (Abu Musa)Founded 1983;
§ Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) Founded 1987;
§ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Founded 1987;
​

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

(COMMENT)

All that can be said, is in the Fourth Geneva Convention, which the UN Security Council directed to be applied in UNSC Resolution 237: and again in Resolution 446:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 --- STATES IN PART: ---

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

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Additional Protocol I
Article 43(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

Additional Protocol II
Article 1(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides that the Protocol
shall apply to all armed conflicts … which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
​

The Arab Palestinians have no special rights or dispensation to Jihad and Armed Conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

No question that the Palestinians have been their own greatest enemy. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Native people that have been invaded by foreigners have every right to resist the invader in any way possible. Pursuant to

"United Nations
A/RES/37/43

​

General Assembly
Distr. GENERAL

3 December 1982

ORIGINAL:
ENGLISH



.........................2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Would you say the Native American mentality that caused them to resist the European invasion was unreasonable?

(COMMENT)

No non-binding Resolution may supersede binding Treaty Law. The Treaty Law that has been common since 1950 is the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV). See the excerpts already cited above.

Most Respectfully,
R

GA Resolution A/RES/37/43 merely clarifies the rights of occupied people. It does not supersede anything.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, yes, --- one more time.

The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

Indeed, they still reject the colonial project. Adopting General Assembly resolution 1514 would solve this problem. This isn't rocket science.

(COMMENT)

OK, everyone ready this closely.

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).

You will note that there is no reference to any such Middle Eastern territory (including Palestine, Gaza, West Bank, Jerusalem) requiring "Decolonization" listed on the Table of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs).

You are absolutely correct. You are passing along the demands. The Arab Palestinians are simple terrorist blackmailers that hold peace and regional stability hostage for ransom (that which they failed to achieve through diplomacy and statesmanship).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

You will note that there is no reference to any such Middle Eastern territory (including Palestine, Gaza, West Bank, Jerusalem) requiring "Decolonization" listed on the Table of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs).

So? That is based on politics not legalities. This says different.

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to
self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is an interpretation that you want; otherwise the justification and legitimacy of the Arab Palestine Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence fades away into lawlessness.

No non-binding Resolution may supersede binding Treaty Law.

There is a partial truth to that. However, a resolution that is based on relevant international law defines the applicability of existing law. Even if the resolution itself is non binding the referenced international law is binding.

(COMMENT)

I contend that many Arab Palestinian leaders violate the purposes and principles of the United Nations, that States have the duty to refrain from propaganda for wars of aggression.

Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts in another State or acquiescing in organized activities within its territory directed towards the commission of such acts, when the acts referred to in the present paragraph involve a threat or use of force.

Every State shall settle its international disputes with other States by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered.

States shall accordingly seek early and just settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. In seeking such a settlement the parties shall agree upon such peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute

Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
​

Trying to persuade the discussion group that some "non-binding" resolution, --- for which further interpretation is required, --- gives Carte Blanche to disregard the basic tenants of international law is absolutely absurd.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Every State shall settle its international disputes with other States by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered.

Is colonization an international dispute?

Just curious.

 

[Hollie]

Every State shall settle its international disputes with other States by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered.

Is colonization an international dispute?

Just curious.

Not in the case involving the establishment of the state of Israel.

How would you describe the Arab-islamist invasion and colonization of the area described as Pal'istan. You choose to sidestep around that issue.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes --- As I said: Your interpretation of the International Laws must be so, otherwise the Arab Palestinians lose thier legitimacy. So they MUST TWIST the law in order to achieve the illusion of legitimacy.

You will note that there is no reference to any such Middle Eastern territory (including Palestine, Gaza, West Bank, Jerusalem) requiring "Decolonization" listed on the Table of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs).

So? That is based on politics not legalities. This says different.

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to
self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

(COMMENT)

This is an example as to why, Israel must hold its position. The Arab Palestinian "Right TO" self-determination, and national independence was exercised in 1988 and acknowledged (A/RES/43/177).

On the issue of territorial integrity, the Palestinians made no effort to form a treaty with the Israelis.

On the issue of national unity. "The Palestinians formed a Unity Government. The Palestinian Unity Government of June 2014 was a national unity government from 2 June 2014 to 17 June 2015 under Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas." It is not Israels fault that the Arab Palestinian cannot manage a government.

Palestinian unity government resigns - Al Jazeera English

The Palestinian unity government formed only a year ago has resigned after President Mahmoud Abbas said it was unable to operate in the Gaza Strip.

The resignation came after it emerged that the Gaza Strip's rulers Hamas held separate indirect talks with Israel.​

On the matter of sovereignty: Where is Arab Palestinian Sovereignty. The "Right TO" is very different from the "Gift OF." If the Arab Palestinians cannot hold their own government together, then what chance to they have that their government will be able to establish some "sovereignty?"

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a Committee of 24 Issue.

Every State shall settle its international disputes with other States by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered.

Is colonization an international dispute?

Just curious.

(COMMENT)

Of the 17 Cases of NSGTs, only one erupted into conflict in the last century; the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). The people of the Falkland Islands have not petitioned for a change in their status.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is an interpretation that you want; otherwise the justification and legitimacy of the Arab Palestine Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence fades away into lawlessness.

No non-binding Resolution may supersede binding Treaty Law.

There is a partial truth to that. However, a resolution that is based on relevant international law defines the applicability of existing law. Even if the resolution itself is non binding the referenced international law is binding.

(COMMENT)

I contend that many Arab Palestinian leaders violate the purposes and principles of the United Nations, that States have the duty to refrain from propaganda for wars of aggression.

Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts in another State or acquiescing in organized activities within its territory directed towards the commission of such acts, when the acts referred to in the present paragraph involve a threat or use of force.

Every State shall settle its international disputes with other States by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered.

States shall accordingly seek early and just settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. In seeking such a settlement the parties shall agree upon such peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute

Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
​

Trying to persuade the discussion group that some "non-binding" resolution, --- for which further interpretation is required, --- gives Carte Blanche to disregard the basic tenants of international law is absolutely absurd.

Most Respectfully,
R

What's absurd is your assertion that occupied people do not have a right to resist occupation through force of arms if necessary.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a Committee of 24 Issue.

Every State shall settle its international disputes with other States by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered.

Is colonization an international dispute?

Just curious.

(COMMENT)

Of the 17 Cases of NSGTs, only one erupted into conflict in the last century; the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). The people of the Falkland Islands have not petitioned for a change in their status.

Most Respectfully,
R

It would seem that it is considered "international" by the UN.

"Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian
people to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to
Palestine and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of
the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

 

[P F Tinmore]

If the Arab Palestinians cannot hold their own government together, then what chance to they have that their government will be able to establish some "sovereignty?"

Vanity Fair​

has obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America’s behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power.

The Gaza Bombshell​

 

[P F Tinmore]

On the issue of territorial integrity, the Palestinians made no effort to form a treaty with the Israelis.

Palestine already has uncontested international borders. Why would they need a treaty with Israel?