Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

Where are the Mongols when you need them

In wallawong getting treatment for their genetic birth defect

 

[theliq]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

But NOT at the expense of destroying other people as is the case with the Jews over the thousands of years......your meaning of self-determination means slaughter,maiming,expulsion etc of the Palestinian people,driving them BY FORCE INTO EXILE and STEALING THEIR LAND AND PROPERTY......You are a fool to write such NON SENCE ON HERE.Like all Rabid Zionists ad-nausium......Eff Off

 

[theliq]

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

Where are the Mongols when you need them

In wallawong getting treatment for their genetic birth defect

Well you would have some Mongol DNA in you...fact but I doubt any Jew,being as you are an unrelated Asian Khasar from who knows where....your only attatchment to the 12 Tribes is that you begged to become a Zionist......Ya Waster.


42.4 C here today

 

[P F Tinmore]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

Stupid post. The Jewish home was to be inside Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

I rest my case.

So you admit defeat and accept that Israel has a right to exist under the UN charter, and because they got in first with their declaration of independence. They showed they had free determination, the ability to stand on their own and had a basis for a government leaving the arab muslims out on a limb.

When will the arab muslims show their free determination, ability to stand on their own and show even a rudimentary government ?

 

[theliq]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

Stupid post. The Jewish home was to be inside Palestine.

Stupid and IGNORANT Tinnie,steve

 

[P F Tinmore]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Just song and dance.

Have yiiu read the UN charter lately. Because if Israel does not have the right to exist then niether does palestine, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Saudi

Link with passage?

All people have the right to free determination and to live in peace

That is what the Palestinians are calling for.

 

[Phoenall]

Not non-inhabitants at the expense of the inhabitants. That's called an invasion.

So, possession is 10/10s of the law? Cool. Israel is winning at that.

Yes, they have won. What makes you think they haven't? They successfully illegally invaded Palestine and now control it, with no apparent consequences.

Like the muslims did and before them the Catholics. Any comment on your own religions invasions over the last 2000 years, when they did just what you are claiming the Jews are doing

 

[Phoenall]

The moral problem is that they now oppress and rule over a few million of the original inhabitants. But I am sure that does not pose a problem for your moral compass.

A few million of the original 350,000 original inhabitants. How did that happen without anyone noticing it taking place. Or is it the new mathmatics called montelatici quantum where bullshit and lies play a major part in the equations and then using propaganda to support the 1 + 1 = 1,000 answer

 

[Phoenall]

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

Where are the Mongols when you need them

In wallawong getting treatment for their genetic birth defect

Well you would have some Mongol DNA in you...fact but I doubt any Jew,being as you are an unrelated Asian Khasar from who knows where....your only attatchment to the 12 Tribes is that you begged to become a Zionist......Ya Waster.


42.4 C here today

No mongol DNA here old chap, and as yiou have been shown khazars never existed outside of the hate sites. They are a figment of an authors imagination, like Harry Potter.
You dont beg to be a Zionist you just are, it is something all decent intelligent people become, not supporters of islamonazi terrorism and genocides

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

Stupid post. The Jewish home was to be inside Palestine.

Which it is if you look at the 1917 maps of the LoN that show 78% of palestine to be trans Jordan. It also took in part or Egypt, Saudi, Syria and Lebanon being an ill defined area on the map. Something that seems to confuse you all the time how an area can also be a state after an illiterate group steals it's name

 

[Phoenall]

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

Stupid post. The Jewish home was to be inside Palestine.

Stupid and IGNORANT Tinnie,steve

Yes you two are aren't you

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Just song and dance.

Have yiiu read the UN charter lately. Because if Israel does not have the right to exist then niether does palestine, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Saudi

Link with passage?

All people have the right to free determination and to live in peace

That is what the Palestinians are calling for.

Then why dont they do what is needed to secure it, and that is not demand it be handed to them on a plate or engage in terrorism, violence and mass murder. They just need to stand up at the UN and say from this day we are a nation with a valid government standing on our own and proving we have free determination. Then the money from the UN stops and they have to rely on their own abilities. Any act of violence that goes unpunished will result in repercussions and censure by the UN. They will be liable for any debts they incur and could see their power and water shut off. If after 1 year they have not breached the laws then the blockade and occupation will be lifted and they will be free to rule over what lands they have negotiated with their neighbours ( read the UN resolutions they have agreed to be tied to )

 

[Phoenall]

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

Yes the Jews are doing all that, and have done for the last 1400 years

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

I don't really care what high horse you seem to judge from, but your understanding of the "why" is really outside the the real reason.

The moral problem is that they now oppress and rule over a few million of the original inhabitants. But I am sure that does not pose a problem for your moral compass.

(COMMENT)

Nearly all of the actions Israel has taken, relative to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank fit largely (90% or more) into three broad categories.

• To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors (most of which are from with the Arab League) in the reach for regional hegemonic power --- and --- align the geopolitical focus on the defense against direct conventional warfare attacks from long-term threats (a continuation of the 1948 War) to Israeli national security.

• To protect Israel against espionage, sabotage, or assassinations conducted by or on behalf of foreign governments or elements thereof, foreign organizations, or foreign persons, or international terrorist activities.

• To restore and maintain civil security, public order and citizen/protected persons safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country. And to protect against criminal Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, Arab Resistance Movements and Asymmetric Fighters
activities intended to harm the Occupying Power.
​

Normally a hostile threat is not as larger as non-conventional threats from a hostile population that is approximately 3.6M strong. There is no real countermeasure for a generationally spread hatred that starts indoctrination at birth. Thus, there is no reason to believe that (as an outside observer) any relaxation of of security controls and containment will lead to a path to peace.

The Arab Palestinian, as a people, can be corrupted more and disintegrated faster a culture thoroughly as does its moral agnosticism, that a people must not assume that their religious or political convictions have any moral high ground. The Israelis (and much of the Western World) have a difficult time associating any good moral values that in a people (like the Arab Palestinians) that pledge Jihad and Armed Struggle, by any means available.

Most Respectfully,
R

Bull Shit Rocco......Israel started with Terrorism,continued with Terrorism and is Run By Terrorism against the People of Palestine...Viva Palestine the Birth Place of Jesus Christ......themagnificent

So there was no history of the land prior to May 15 1948. No mass murders of Jews by mo'mad in 635 C.E., no command from their god to " KILL THE JEWS ", no dhimmi laws, no pact of Umar. Or are these ignored because they go against your brainwashing.


Yes Jesus Christ the Zionist Jew

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

But NOT at the expense of destroying other people as is the case with the Jews over the thousands of years......your meaning of self-determination means slaughter,maiming,expulsion etc of the Palestinian people,driving them BY FORCE INTO EXILE and STEALING THEIR LAND AND PROPERTY......You are a fool to write such NON SENCE ON HERE.Like all Rabid Zionists ad-nausium......Eff Off

So when did they become sovereign owners of the land, what treaty gave them this power ?

Like what treaty gave you sovereignty over Australia ?

 

[RoccoR]

theliq, et al,

You are using generic allegations (theft, murder, and expulsion), not pinned to a particular event of period in time. The current ad hoc Government of Palestine is fractured and on the verge of being dysfunctional. The principle Factions now operating in [what has come to be called as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt)] the territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177). The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

§ Selected elements of the People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded 1961;
§ People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded in 1964;
§ Selected elements of the Palestine Popular Struggle Front (PPSF) Founded in 1967;
§ Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) Founded 1967;
§ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) Founded 1968;
§ Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) Founded in 1969;
§ Revolutionary Communist Party (RCPof Palestine) Founded 1982;
§ Fatah Intifada (Abu Musa)Founded 1983;
§ Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) Founded 1987;
§ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Founded 1987;
​

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

(COMMENT)

All that can be said, is in the Fourth Geneva Convention, which the UN Security Council directed to be applied in UNSC Resolution 237: and again in Resolution 446:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 --- STATES IN PART: ---

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

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Additional Protocol I
Article 43(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

Additional Protocol II
Article 1(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides that the Protocol
shall apply to all armed conflicts … which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
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The Arab Palestinians have no special rights or dispensation to Jihad and Armed Conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[theliq]

theliq, et al,

You are using generic allegations (theft, murder, and expulsion), not pinned to a particular event of period in time. The current ad hoc Government of Palestine is fractured and on the verge of being dysfunctional. The principle Factions now operating in [what has come to be called as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt)] the territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177). The oPt has a mixture of rejectionist groups including (but not limited to) Islamic and secular movements:

§ Selected elements of the People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded 1961;
§ People’s Liberation Front (PLF) Founded in 1964;
§ Selected elements of the Palestine Popular Struggle Front (PPSF) Founded in 1967;
§ Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) Founded 1967;
§ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) Founded 1968;
§ Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) Founded in 1969;
§ Revolutionary Communist Party (RCPof Palestine) Founded 1982;
§ Fatah Intifada (Abu Musa)Founded 1983;
§ Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) Founded 1987;
§ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Founded 1987;
​

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

(COMMENT)

All that can be said, is in the Fourth Geneva Convention, which the UN Security Council directed to be applied in UNSC Resolution 237: and again in Resolution 446:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 --- STATES IN PART: ---

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

Additional Protocol I
Article 43(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

Additional Protocol II
Article 1(1) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides that the Protocol
shall apply to all armed conflicts … which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
​

The Arab Palestinians have no special rights or dispensation to Jihad and Armed Conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Semantics is all you have......The Zionists only AIM was to try to eliminate Palestinians from Palestine Their the Palestinians Chosen Land......where they had been for thousands of years,you can say what you like Rocco,but we know what you did,how you did it and the stain of Guiltiness you will always carry......it will bite you in the future,all on the Mad sayings of an Athiest Zionist Jew............Zionism is the Precurser to all Terrorism......Zionists are and always have been TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.......despite all your protestations,anyhow what makes you imagine Israels government are functional???? They are a Right Wing Terrorist Government,that is why decent Jews are leaving Israel in hordes........They have SEEN THE SUPPOSED DREAM .....AND DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT........FACT...you and your Possee ramble on about how Great Israel is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..Being a Zionist is nothing to be Proud Of>>>>>>>>steve....and why would I need to give you specific periods or time lines when this has been going on since 1906....you are merely blurring my response to try to give yourself a superior angle....Fcuking does not work anymore Rocco,as I can see through you as if you were/are a sheet of plastic...........Shameful POST Rocco,I expect better from you...st

 

[theliq]

montelatici, et al,

I don't really care what high horse you seem to judge from, but your understanding of the "why" is really outside the the real reason.

The moral problem is that they now oppress and rule over a few million of the original inhabitants. But I am sure that does not pose a problem for your moral compass.

(COMMENT)

Nearly all of the actions Israel has taken, relative to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank fit largely (90% or more) into three broad categories.

• To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors (most of which are from with the Arab League) in the reach for regional hegemonic power --- and --- align the geopolitical focus on the defense against direct conventional warfare attacks from long-term threats (a continuation of the 1948 War) to Israeli national security.

• To protect Israel against espionage, sabotage, or assassinations conducted by or on behalf of foreign governments or elements thereof, foreign organizations, or foreign persons, or international terrorist activities.

• To restore and maintain civil security, public order and citizen/protected persons safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country. And to protect against criminal Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, Arab Resistance Movements and Asymmetric Fighters
activities intended to harm the Occupying Power.
​

Normally a hostile threat is not as larger as non-conventional threats from a hostile population that is approximately 3.6M strong. There is no real countermeasure for a generationally spread hatred that starts indoctrination at birth. Thus, there is no reason to believe that (as an outside observer) any relaxation of of security controls and containment will lead to a path to peace.

The Arab Palestinian, as a people, can be corrupted more and disintegrated faster a culture thoroughly as does its moral agnosticism, that a people must not assume that their religious or political convictions have any moral high ground. The Israelis (and much of the Western World) have a difficult time associating any good moral values that in a people (like the Arab Palestinians) that pledge Jihad and Armed Struggle, by any means available.

Most Respectfully,
R

Bull Shit Rocco......Israel started with Terrorism,continued with Terrorism and is Run By Terrorism against the People of Palestine...Viva Palestine the Birth Place of Jesus Christ......themagnificent

So there was no history of the land prior to May 15 1948. No mass murders of Jews by mo'mad in 635 C.E., no command from their god to " KILL THE JEWS ", no dhimmi laws, no pact of Umar. Or are these ignored because they go against your brainwashing.


Yes Jesus Christ the Zionist Jew

Jesus would find ZIONISM........IMBISOLIC......and would cast you asunder.....Anyhow you ZIONIST don't believe in Jesus Christ the Son of God,which makes your post a complete JOKE as you are

 

[SAYIT]

...They are a Right Wing Terrorist Government,that is why decent Jews are leaving Israel in hordes....

You failed to post a link for that "fact" ... just an oversight I'm sure.