Israel's "Right to Exist"?

[georgephillip]

...or the Israeli army will shoot you.

And your children.

Perhaps you shouldn't have your children in front of you when challenging Israel's border guards.

Perhaps you shouldn't have a nine year-old child in the front seat of your car on the way to her doctor with no gunfight raging around her only a teen-aged sniper in an IDF observation tower at the end of the block who knew he could kill at will and shills like you would cover-up:

"It is equally tragic to read of nine-year-old Akaber, killed by Israeli gunfire to her head while riding in her uncle’s car to get medical stitches removed, and of the 29 other nine-year-olds killed by Israeli forces in the past decade, eight of them by Israeli gunfire to the head."

You might even want to mention that to one of AIPAC's favorite former congress-critters:

"She (Gabby Giffords) called a 2001 visit to Israel a turning point in her life (Israeli forces killed 103 children that year, 31 of them shot in the head) and wrote in 2006 (a year in which Israeli forces killed 665 Palestinians, 139 of them children, and Palestinians killed 23 Israelis, two of them children) that 'the United States must do everything possible to secure Israel’s long-term security.'

"Palestinian victims killed first and in far greater numbers seem to have been invisible to her."

Shot in the Head » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Think Gabby'll get it now?

 

[georgephillip]

You're just being an obtuse little girl again, Princess.
Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link, Golda:

"Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east..."

Where's the line in the sand separating Israel and the West Bank, somewhere within 60% of Area C?

Israel's borders are defined as the positions of IDF tanks at any given time. Flexible.

Not since 1949, Adolph.
Your side lost...remember?

 

[georgephillip]

You're just being an obtuse little girl again, Princess.
Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link, Golda:

"Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east..."

Where's the line in the sand separating Israel and the West Bank, somewhere within 60% of Area C?

TinHorn insists Israel has no borders. That claim is patently false.

PF's making the claim Israel has never formally declared its borders, apparently doing so complicates the process of stealing your neighbors' land and water.

Can you point out Israel's eastern border?

 

[Billo_Really]

Self-serving camel crap.

Sung to the tune of "King of the Road".

Self-serving camel crap
Rooms to let IDF nap
No phone no pool no pets
Until this Israeli occupation gets
Ah but, two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four bit room
Palestinian life under Israeli goons
King of the road

Air strikes on a midnight train
Islamic terrorists the Israeli's claim
Old worn out propaganda blues
Not complete until we hate the joos
Israel is guilty the UN have found
But US veto protects their ground
As Palestinian life just goes down
King of the road

I know every engineer on every train
Are all targeted in Israeli games
And every handout in every town
Best get your ass out before sundown


Self-serving camel crap
Rooms to let IDF nap
No phone no pool no pets
Until this Israeli occupation gets
Ah but, two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four bit room
Palestinian life under Israeli goons
King of the road​

 

[georgephillip]

Self-serving camel crap.

Sung to the tune of "King of the Road".

Self-serving camel crap
Rooms to let IDF nap
No phone no pool no pets
Until this Israeli occupation gets
Ah but, two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four bit room
Palestinian life under Israeli goons
King of the road

Air strikes on a midnight train
Islamic terrorists the Israeli's claim
Old worn out propaganda blues
Not complete until we hate the joos
Israel is guilty the UN have found
But US veto protects their ground
As Palestinian life just goes down
King of the road

I know every engineer on every train
Are all targeted in Israeli games
And every handout in every town
Best get your ass out before sundown


Self-serving camel crap
Rooms to let IDF nap
No phone no pool no pets
Until this Israeli occupation gets
Ah but, two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four bit room
Palestinian life under Israeli goons
King of the road​

Einstein is applauding.

"TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the 'Freedom Party' (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.

"It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

"The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States.

"Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin"s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.

Albert Einstein's 1948 Letter to the New York Times

 

[SAYIT]

From your link, Golda:

"Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east..."

Where's the line in the sand separating Israel and the West Bank, somewhere within 60% of Area C?

TinHorn insists Israel has no borders. That claim is patently false.

PF's making the claim Israel has never formally declared its borders, apparently doing so complicates the process of stealing your neighbors' land and water.

Can you point out Israel's eastern border?

TBD. The WB is disputed turf

 

[Roudy]

And your children.

Perhaps you shouldn't have your children in front of you when challenging Israel's border guards.

Perhaps you shouldn't have a nine year-old child in the front seat of your car on the way to her doctor with no gunfight raging around her only a teen-aged sniper in an IDF observation tower at the end of the block who knew he could kill at will and shills like you would cover-up:

"It is equally tragic to read of nine-year-old Akaber, killed by Israeli gunfire to her head while riding in her uncle’s car to get medical stitches removed, and of the 29 other nine-year-olds killed by Israeli forces in the past decade, eight of them by Israeli gunfire to the head."

You might even want to mention that to one of AIPAC's favorite former congress-critters:

"She (Gabby Giffords) called a 2001 visit to Israel a turning point in her life (Israeli forces killed 103 children that year, 31 of them shot in the head) and wrote in 2006 (a year in which Israeli forces killed 665 Palestinians, 139 of them children, and Palestinians killed 23 Israelis, two of them children) that 'the United States must do everything possible to secure Israel’s long-term security.'

"Palestinian victims killed first and in far greater numbers seem to have been invisible to her."

Shot in the Head » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Think Gabby'll get it now?

Philip's numbers come are like himself, fulla shit from IslamoNazi sites.

 

[Roudy]

Self-serving camel crap.

Sung to the tune of "King of the Road".

Self-serving camel crap
Rooms to let IDF nap
No phone no pool no pets
Until this Israeli occupation gets
Ah but, two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four bit room
Palestinian life under Israeli goons
King of the road

Air strikes on a midnight train
Islamic terrorists the Israeli's claim
Old worn out propaganda blues
Not complete until we hate the joos
Israel is guilty the UN have found
But US veto protects their ground
As Palestinian life just goes down
King of the road

I know every engineer on every train
Are all targeted in Israeli games
And every handout in every town
Best get your ass out before sundown


Self-serving camel crap
Rooms to let IDF nap
No phone no pool no pets
Until this Israeli occupation gets
Ah but, two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four bit room
Palestinian life under Israeli goons
King of the road​

Einstein is applauding.

"TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the 'Freedom Party' (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.

"It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

"The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States.

"Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin"s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.

Albert Einstein's 1948 Letter to the New York Times

Sure thing, that's why he considered running for prime minister of Israel.

 

[georgephillip]

TinHorn insists Israel has no borders. That claim is patently false.

PF's making the claim Israel has never formally declared its borders, apparently doing so complicates the process of stealing your neighbors' land and water.

Can you point out Israel's eastern border?

TBD. The WB is disputed turf

Not according to IL (International Law); the WB is under BO (Belligerent Occupation)
The only dispute is whether Israel becomes a democratic state or an apartheid one.
Are you ready for free elections open to all adults living between the Mediterranean and the Jordan who are subject to all Israeli civil or military laws?

 

[irosie91]

PF's making the claim Israel has never formally declared its borders, apparently doing so complicates the process of stealing your neighbors' land and water.

Can you point out Israel's eastern border?

TBD. The WB is disputed turf

Not according to IL (International Law); the WB is under BO (Belligerent Occupation)
The only dispute is whether Israel becomes a democratic state or an apartheid one.
Are you ready for free elections open to all adults living between the Mediterranean and the Jordan who are subject to all Israeli civil or military laws?

There is no law in the world that demands a country put its right to existence to a VOTE that includes an enemy country. the gazan and west bank entities have not yet surrendered If Japan had not surrendered---the US would still be occupying------try again ----you lost this one

 

[georgephillip]

Sung to the tune of "King of the Road".

Self-serving camel crap
Rooms to let IDF nap
No phone no pool no pets
Until this Israeli occupation gets
Ah but, two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four bit room
Palestinian life under Israeli goons
King of the road

Air strikes on a midnight train
Islamic terrorists the Israeli's claim
Old worn out propaganda blues
Not complete until we hate the joos
Israel is guilty the UN have found
But US veto protects their ground
As Palestinian life just goes down
King of the road

I know every engineer on every train
Are all targeted in Israeli games
And every handout in every town
Best get your ass out before sundown


Self-serving camel crap
Rooms to let IDF nap
No phone no pool no pets
Until this Israeli occupation gets
Ah but, two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four bit room
Palestinian life under Israeli goons
King of the road​

Einstein is applauding.

"TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the 'Freedom Party' (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.

"It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

"The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States.

"Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin"s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.

Albert Einstein's 1948 Letter to the New York Times

Sure thing, that's why he considered running for prime minister of Israel.

Not on the Herut platform:

"Objection to IDF withdrawal and negotiations with Arab states was the (Herut) party's main platform in Israel's first elections. The party vigorously opposed the ceasefire agreements with the Arab states, both before and after the election.

"Herut differentiated itself by refusing to recognise the legitimacy of the Kingdom of Jordan after the armistice, and frequently used the slogan 'To the banks of the Jordan River' in claiming Israel's right to the whole of Eretz Israel/Palestine. According to Joseph Heller, Herut was a one-issue party intent on expanding Israel's borders."

Do you claim "Israel's right to the whole of Eretz Israel/Palestine?"

Herut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

TBD. The WB is disputed turf

Not according to IL (International Law); the WB is under BO (Belligerent Occupation)
The only dispute is whether Israel becomes a democratic state or an apartheid one.
Are you ready for free elections open to all adults living between the Mediterranean and the Jordan who are subject to all Israeli civil or military laws?

There is no law in the world that demands a country put its right to existence to a VOTE that includes an enemy country. the gazan and west bank entities have not yet surrendered If Japan had not surrendered---the US would still be occupying------try again ----you lost this one

What "enemy country" are you hasbar-babbling about?
I thought the country called "Palestine" never existed?
There is no legal or moral right in this world for a Jewish state to exist.
If you're afraid of free elections, consult the biography of FW deKlerk for your future.

A minority of Jews created this problem in 1948 when they inflicted their religion on the majority of Palestinians.

Ready for payback?

 

[irosie91]

There are a far far far higher number of muslims in the world who demand the annhilation of israel ----than there are jews in the world who seek to destroy Jordan In fact there even in terms of PERCENTAGES--as opposed to absolute numbers A FAR HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MUSLIMS SUPPORT THE ANNHILATION OF ISRAEL than the percentage of jews who advocate the destruction of Israel--------the difference in percentages is ENORMOUS. If the muslims of the world were asked "would the destruction of israel be a good thing" -------I am confident that more than 98% would vote YES If the jews of the world were asked "would the destruction of jordan be a good thing" I am confident that more than 98% of the jews of the world would answer "are you nuts?"

 

[georgephillip]

Assuming your percentages are accurate, the Jews currently possess the nuclear firepower to actually exterminate 90% of Muslims in the Middle East. A far higher percentage of Muslims advocate the destruction of Israel because, unlike media in the US, the Muslims are routinely treated to scenes of IDF destruction of Muslim civilians' homes and lives. If painful compromises for both sides are not found and implemented, the inevitable destruction will be mutual and endless.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There are a far far far higher number of muslims in the world who demand the annhilation of israel ----than there are jews in the world who seek to destroy Jordan In fact there even in terms of PERCENTAGES--as opposed to absolute numbers A FAR HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MUSLIMS SUPPORT THE ANNHILATION OF ISRAEL than the percentage of jews who advocate the destruction of Israel--------the difference in percentages is ENORMOUS. If the muslims of the world were asked "would the destruction of israel be a good thing" -------I am confident that more than 98% would vote YES If the jews of the world were asked "would the destruction of jordan be a good thing" I am confident that more than 98% of the jews of the world would answer "are you nuts?"

There is a major difference Jordan was not created by kicking out the natives and replacing them with foreign settlers.

 

[irosie91]

Assuming your percentages are accurate, the Jews currently possess the nuclear firepower to actually exterminate 90% of Muslims in the Middle East. A far higher percentage of Muslims advocate the destruction of Israel because, unlike media in the US, the Muslims are routinely treated to scenes of IDF destruction of Muslim civilians' homes and lives. If painful compromises for both sides are not found and implemented, the inevitable destruction will be mutual and endless.

you are quite a joke georgie. I have been acquainted with LOTS OF MUSLIMS mostly NOT PALESTINIANS ------and, in fact----even before the 1967 war. Muslims back then advocated the destruction of israel just as much as they do today. It has nothing to do with your myth of DAILY DESTRUCTION OF HOMES or LIVES. One of the phenomena I noted way back then was------the people MOST FERVENT ABOUT DESTROYING ISRAEL and the EVILS OF JEWS -----were from lands that had no jews. Its a LEARNED THING georgie---------they grow up with it its taught in the mosques and in the schools. There have been times in my life that I was the first jew a muslim landing in the USA ever met. ------but they KNEW ALL ABOUT ISRAEL AND JUDAISM AND THE "FACT" THAT ISRAEL HAD TO BE DESTROYED. I had interesting interaction. Muslims from foreign lands often LOGICALLY assumed me to be christian------and so spoke to me as a muslim to a christian If you want to know what muslims think of jews------let that muslim think you are a christian. If you want to know what muslims think of christians----let the muslim think you are a jew. Depending on the place that the muslim was born-----you might hear something about how disgusting hindus are no matter what you claim to be

 

[Billo_Really]

you are quite a joke georgie. I have been acquainted with LOTS OF MUSLIMS mostly NOT PALESTINIANS ------and, in fact----even before the 1967 war. Muslims back then advocated the destruction of israel just as much as they do today. It has nothing to do with your myth of DAILY DESTRUCTION OF HOMES or LIVES. One of the phenomena I noted way back then was------the people MOST FERVENT ABOUT DESTROYING ISRAEL and the EVILS OF JEWS -----were from lands that had no jews. Its a LEARNED THING georgie---------they grow up with it its taught in the mosques and in the schools. There have been times in my life that I was the first jew a muslim landing in the USA ever met. ------but they KNEW ALL ABOUT ISRAEL AND JUDAISM AND THE "FACT" THAT ISRAEL HAD TO BE DESTROYED. I had interesting interaction. Muslims from foreign lands often LOGICALLY assumed me to be christian------and so spoke to me as a muslim to a christian If you want to know what muslims think of jews------let that muslim think you are a christian. If you want to know what muslims think of christians----let the muslim think you are a jew. Depending on the place that the muslim was born-----you might hear something about how disgusting hindus are no matter what you claim to be

That's just bullshit Israeli propaganda. Many times the Palestinian's have persued non-violent means to bring an end to hostilities, but in every case, the Israeli's would not reciprocate. So in light of the way the Israeli's treat the Palestinian's, rocket attacks are the reasonable response.

The only reason you spew this "that's how they're raised" bullshit, is because you're too big of a coward to be responsible for your own actions.

 

[georgephillip]

There are a far far far higher number of muslims in the world who demand the annhilation of israel ----than there are jews in the world who seek to destroy Jordan In fact there even in terms of PERCENTAGES--as opposed to absolute numbers A FAR HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MUSLIMS SUPPORT THE ANNHILATION OF ISRAEL than the percentage of jews who advocate the destruction of Israel--------the difference in percentages is ENORMOUS. If the muslims of the world were asked "would the destruction of israel be a good thing" -------I am confident that more than 98% would vote YES If the jews of the world were asked "would the destruction of jordan be a good thing" I am confident that more than 98% of the jews of the world would answer "are you nuts?"

There is a major difference Jordan was not created by kicking out the natives and replacing them with foreign settlers.

There does seem to be an "original sin" aspect to the Jewish state's inception...

"Objection to IDF withdrawal and negotiations with Arab states was the party's main platform in Israel's first elections. The party vigorously opposed the ceasefire agreements with the Arab states, both before and after the election. Herut differentiated itself by refusing to recognise the legitimacy of the Kingdom of Jordan after the armistice, and frequently used the slogan 'To the banks of the Jordan River' in claiming Israel's right to the whole of Eretz Israel/Palestine. According to Joseph Heller, Herut was a one-issue party intent on expanding Israel's borders."

Herut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The latest attempt at annexing Area C should prove to everyone how successive generations of Israeli Jews have lied to the world about their commitment to the "peace process." All along the goal has been for a Jewish minority to control all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan.

'Think it won't get worse when Mitt moves into the White House?

 

[irosie91]

There are a far far far higher number of muslims in the world who demand the annhilation of israel ----than there are jews in the world who seek to destroy Jordan In fact there even in terms of PERCENTAGES--as opposed to absolute numbers A FAR HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MUSLIMS SUPPORT THE ANNHILATION OF ISRAEL than the percentage of jews who advocate the destruction of Israel--------the difference in percentages is ENORMOUS. If the muslims of the world were asked "would the destruction of israel be a good thing" -------I am confident that more than 98% would vote YES If the jews of the world were asked "would the destruction of jordan be a good thing" I am confident that more than 98% of the jews of the world would answer "are you nuts?"

There is a major difference Jordan was not created by kicking out the natives and replacing them with foreign settlers.

You should learn a bit of history TINNY as to "KICKING OUT THE NATIVES" you are describing just about every country now called a "MUSLIM COUNTRY" including Saudi arabia-----and even IRAN Israel/palestine was never ethnically cleansed by jews to any extent that even approaches that of just about EVERY COUNTRY today called a "MUSLIM COUNTRY" was ethnically cleansed by muslims. In fact the population of
Israel is about 50% made up of people ETHNICALLY cleansed out of "muslim countries"


Of the countries from which jews were ethnically cleansed----ALL retained a far less PERCENTAGE of their jewish populations than Israel retained of its arab population -----now try to learn the definitions of words like "genocide, ethnic cleansing, and "kicking out" I once bought a house that had been condemned and UNOWNED for years. It contained squatters I asked them to leave within four weeks-------they did. Did I commit genocide or ethnic cleansing or KICKING OUT? Jews came to palestine in the early 1800s because the OTTOMANS DECIDED TO ALLOW JEWS TO OWN LAND. When jews bought land------that was called STEALING MUSLIM LAND by jihadists like you and it still is Keep in mind-----shariah law does not actually allow non muslims to OWN LAND see? I understand your depraved POV The Ottomans (turks) have been paying for their SIN with hatred from their muslim brethern for two centuries. Erdogan DEPENDS ON THAT HATRED FOR HIS POWER-----he is going to fix it up for the honor of SHARIAH and to attain the LOVE of the UMMAH and the love of the islamicists in Turkey

 

[georgephillip]

Assuming your percentages are accurate, the Jews currently possess the nuclear firepower to actually exterminate 90% of Muslims in the Middle East. A far higher percentage of Muslims advocate the destruction of Israel because, unlike media in the US, the Muslims are routinely treated to scenes of IDF destruction of Muslim civilians' homes and lives. If painful compromises for both sides are not found and implemented, the inevitable destruction will be mutual and endless.

you are quite a joke georgie. I have been acquainted with LOTS OF MUSLIMS mostly NOT PALESTINIANS ------and, in fact----even before the 1967 war. Muslims back then advocated the destruction of israel just as much as they do today. It has nothing to do with your myth of DAILY DESTRUCTION OF HOMES or LIVES. One of the phenomena I noted way back then was------the people MOST FERVENT ABOUT DESTROYING ISRAEL and the EVILS OF JEWS -----were from lands that had no jews. Its a LEARNED THING georgie---------they grow up with it its taught in the mosques and in the schools. There have been times in my life that I was the first jew a muslim landing in the USA ever met. ------but they KNEW ALL ABOUT ISRAEL AND JUDAISM AND THE "FACT" THAT ISRAEL HAD TO BE DESTROYED. I had interesting interaction. Muslims from foreign lands often LOGICALLY assumed me to be christian------and so spoke to me as a muslim to a christian If you want to know what muslims think of jews------let that muslim think you are a christian. If you want to know what muslims think of christians----let the muslim think you are a jew. Depending on the place that the muslim was born-----you might hear something about how disgusting hindus are no matter what you claim to be

You're ALMOST riveting, Rosie.
In terms of absolute numbers how many Muslims have you allegedly spoken to?
What percentage told you they sought the destruction of Israel?
Does hasbara pay you by the syllable or by the lie?
Will you be around after the US election?
Sure hope so...you're a HOOT.