It is certainly true that those who support abortion are monsters...

[WEATHER53]

I want to know where a pregnant woman was killed and the perp wasn’t charged for the baby as well!

Which, of course, is completely consistent with pro-choice views.

So? I say fk you to anyone ok with killing a baby

Nobody is OK with killing a baby. A fetus is not a baby.

What is it then?

It is potentially a future life
You do not get to determine what happens inside someone else

 

[WEATHER53]

Which, of course, is completely consistent with pro-choice views.

So? I say fk you to anyone ok with killing a baby

Good for you. While I am personally against getting an abortion, I say it is the woman's choice.

Why, why does she get to kill a baby?

Because it’s not one
“Why does she get to kill a baby”
What emotional drivel.

It’s a baby a human baby. Do you think it’s a fish?

You speak like an 8 year old so we are done

 

[jc456]

Okay, raise your hands: Who here has been to a funeral for a miscarriage?

Whoever just raised their hand is LYING.

We know there is a difference between a fetus and a baby, inherently.

I have

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Okay, raise your hands: Who here has been to a funeral for a miscarriage?

Whoever just raised their hand is LYING.

We know there is a difference between a fetus and a baby, inherently.

I have

You're lying, naturally.

 

[jc456]

I want to know where a pregnant woman was killed and the perp wasn’t charged for the baby as well!

Which, of course, is completely consistent with pro-choice views.

So? I say fk you to anyone ok with killing a baby

Nobody is OK with killing a baby. A fetus is not a baby.

What is it then?

It is potentially a future life
You do not get to determine what happens inside someone else

So it’s not alive? Why does it grow? You’re confused

Can one take an eagle egg?

 

[buttercup]

There are lots of prolifers who are not religious

Hmm, no, not that many at all. take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

Here's just one page, but there are many other groups like this: Secular Pro-Life

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There are lots of prolifers who are not religious

Hmm, no, not that many at all. take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

Here's just one page, but there are many other groups like this: Secular Pro-Life

That's nice.

Take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

 

[jc456]

So? I say fk you to anyone ok with killing a baby

Good for you. While I am personally against getting an abortion, I say it is the woman's choice.

Why, why does she get to kill a baby?

Because it’s not one
“Why does she get to kill a baby”
What emotional drivel.

It’s a baby a human baby. Do you think it’s a fish?

You speak like an 8 year old so we are done

You can’t argue a reason and that’s pathetic

 

[buttercup]

If it were murder then it would not be legal. Once again, facts are troubling to those driven by emotion

Because laws are always correct, right? Come on you guys, you can do better than this.

 

[jc456]

There are lots of prolifers who are not religious

Hmm, no, not that many at all. take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

Here's just one page, but there are many other groups like this: Secular Pro-Life

That's nice.

Take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You’re confused mankind says differently

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There are lots of prolifers who are not religious

Hmm, no, not that many at all. take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

Here's just one page, but there are many other groups like this: Secular Pro-Life

That's nice.

Take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You’re confused mankind says differently

No, it's a fact: Take away the secularists from that movement, and nobody notices. Take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

 

[jc456]

There are lots of prolifers who are not religious

Hmm, no, not that many at all. take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

Here's just one page, but there are many other groups like this: Secular Pro-Life

That's nice.

Take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You’re confused mankind says differently

No, it's a fact: Take away the secularists from that movement, and nobody notices. Take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

No no the majority of the globe is religious . You just hate humans you hate yourself and that’s strange

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No no the majority of the globe is religious

Yes, I realize that. Do you have a point? You aren't really making any counter points to anything I have said.

 

[buttercup]

There are lots of prolifers who are not religious

Hmm, no, not that many at all. take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

Here's just one page, but there are many other groups like this: Secular Pro-Life

That's nice.

Take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You’re confused mankind says differently

No, it's a fact: Take away the secularists from that movement, and nobody notices. Take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You are simply wrong. These days, with the advancement of ultrasound technology, people you might've thought would be for abortion are pro-life, because we can clearly observe the humanity of the pre-born. It has nothing to do with religion, it is a scientific fact that human life begins at conception. That is why most of us never even bring up religion in these debates, because there's no need to.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Hmm, no, not that many at all. take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

Here's just one page, but there are many other groups like this: Secular Pro-Life

That's nice.

Take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You’re confused mankind says differently

No, it's a fact: Take away the secularists from that movement, and nobody notices. Take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You are simply wrong. These days, with the advancement of ultrasound technology, people you might've thought would be for abortion are pro-life, because we can clearly observe the humanity of the pre-born. It has nothing to do with religion, it is a scientific fact that human life begins at conception. That is why most of us never even bring up religion in these debates, because there's no need to.

Hmm, no, I am spot on. The anti-choice movement is almost completely comprised of religious people doing things for religious reasons.

 

[buttercup]

No no the majority of the globe is religious

Yes, I realize that. Do you have a point? You aren't really making any counter points to anything I have said.

I'm pretty sure he's saying that since the overwhelming majority of the population are believers, obviously there are going to be more prolifers who are believers, than not. But as I said, all different types of prolifers exist, atheist, agnostic, pagan, liberal, gay, etc. etc.

 

[jc456]

No no the majority of the globe is religious

Yes, I realize that. Do you have a point? You aren't really making any counter points to anything I have said.

Well it’s tough for you to say it’s about morality cause you see religious as the majority, but us christians are morally involved!

 

[jc456]

Here's just one page, but there are many other groups like this: Secular Pro-Life

That's nice.

Take them away, and nobody notices. take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You’re confused mankind says differently

No, it's a fact: Take away the secularists from that movement, and nobody notices. Take away the religious nutballs, and the resistance disappears.

You are simply wrong. These days, with the advancement of ultrasound technology, people you might've thought would be for abortion are pro-life, because we can clearly observe the humanity of the pre-born. It has nothing to do with religion, it is a scientific fact that human life begins at conception. That is why most of us never even bring up religion in these debates, because there's no need to.

Hmm, no, I am spot on. The anti-choice movement is almost completely comprised of religious people doing things for religious reasons.

Well duh cause most humans are religious. Stupid statement

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No no the majority of the globe is religious

Yes, I realize that. Do you have a point? You aren't really making any counter points to anything I have said.

Well it’s tough for you to say it’s about morality cause you see religious as the majority, but us christians are morally involved!

Because i don't recognize a moral that is predicated on magical hoo-ha as being a "moral". It's a logic thing.

 

[sakinago]

Well shit, didn’t know that IQ levels relied on whether or not the child was wanted, that’s some pretty interesting science. Almost said something way too mean, I’ll abstain. Is that some new epigenetics stuff coming fresh out of the world of science that you so clearly inhabit?

And no that is not even close to the definition of the beginning of life, not by law, not even by science.

And handmaidens tale, wow...Amazon comes out with one show and all of a sudden, people like me who believe in the importance of using birth control so they don’t pregnant, is the exact same as justifying raping women because that’s all their good for. Forgive me if I think birth control is vastly more important and vastly less morally wrong (birth control isn’t morally wrong) than killing you’re own offspring.

So if life begins at birth, why is it we have time limits on abortion? That doesn’t make a whole lotta sense. Why is it it’s a double homicide when a pregnant women is murdered, even if she’s on her way to get an abortion? That’s also weird. Why is it a fetus meets all the requirements of life as defined by science? I’m not understanding any of this, please explain. How is it life all of a sudden just happens once a fully formed friggen baby passes through the birth canal, in the words of Ron Burgendy makes me think “boy that escalated quickly.”

Why is a double homicide when a pg woman is killed, because she apparently has not had an abortion and maybe didn't want one, that is why. Its a well know fact you GOP are pro birth , not pro life.

It's still a somewhat hypocritical stance, legally speaking. If the fetus is not a person and can be aborted at any time without repercussion, how can it be murdered? If it is a person; or if any human being, whether a person or not, has a legal right to life; how can abortion on demand be legal? Or how can abortion be about simply a woman's control over her own body, if legally she is making the decision to kill another protected human life?

Are there any other situations in which a person might be killed on demand, yet killing that person is still murder? The closest examples that come to mind would be someone on life support or on death row, and neither of those examples quite fits. Someone who is being kept alive through mechanical ventilation, who is in a vegetative state, still would not be killed. Instead, such a person might be removed from life support; a fine distinction, perhaps, but an important one. The death row inmate will be killed, true, but as a punishment by the state.

The idea that it's just a woman's body, that the fetus is merely 'a clump of cells', does not make a lot of sense alongside the idea that killing a pregnant woman's fetus (before a viable stage) constitutes murder.

Because she did not want an abortion and probably would of carried to term. Murder is killing the women and so the fetus has no chance of becoming a viable infant.

Your suppositions have no basis in reality. Women don’t carry a child for six or seven months and then “change their minds” about carrying it to term. It is pointless to base responses on idiot scenarios that have no basis in reality.

You attribute a level of casualness and inhumanity to these decisions that has no basis in reality, while ignoring the very real issues of poverty and lack of worker protections that drive the abortion rate in the US.

You ignore the poverty and the lack of health care or job protections for low income workers and instead paint these women as selfish who have no morals.

You go with these ridiculous conservative anti-abortion talking points that don’t address any of the real issues driving the reasons for abortions.

oh my god, just answer the question. I pretty much cited the reasons you gave about your friend getting her abortion. And so far your only answer has been, “well that’ll never happen.” Uh, yes that absolutely could happen. And stop avoiding the question. Trump is president, any fucking thing can happen at this point.

No it absolutely couldn’t. And you can’t find a single example where it did. No doctor would perform such a procedure and no woman would ask for an abortion at such a late date. These are just campfire tales to rile up stupid conservatives against abortion.

Even the late term babies born without brains are delivered normally so that their organs can be harvested for transplants. So that the parents have at comfort of knowing that other families will have a happy ending from their loss.

But not one of you anti-abortion types have given a single reason why women should be stripped of their rights to make decisions about whether or not to have a baby.

So why wouldn’t any doctor or any woman want that procedure? Is it because it’s wrong? If that’s the case then we do protect the right of life. Debbie washerman-Shultz said that abortion should be legal up until birth. In Oregon, late term abortions are legal for whatever reason, there are NO restrictions on abortion. If you want a girl not a boy, scrape it out and try again. So, yes they do happen, or else a state wouldn’t put it into writing. You’ve already stated that your belief is life doesn’t begin until birth. So is it ok for me to just assume that yes it’s ok to abort at 38 weeks, in your opinion.

Your avoidance on this question and red herrings thrown every which way is amusing and obvious.

I’ve already answered your red herring many many many many times. Because a fetus is human life, government has a prime directive to protect life, rights stop at the point of infringing on others rights, and abortion is not an issue of privacy since government and private industries keep extensive records on the matter.