It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.
 
It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.
 
It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.






Let me know when the police no longer have to write speeding tickets because everyone is following the laws against speeding.

"Do you even have a brain in there, or is it all horn?"
 
It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.






Let me know when the police no longer have to write speeding tickets because everyone is following the laws against speeding.

"Do you even have a brain in there, or is it all horn?"

Why have police and speed limits if some people will still break the laws?
 
It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.






Let me know when the police no longer have to write speeding tickets because everyone is following the laws against speeding.

"Do you even have a brain in there, or is it all horn?"

Why have police and speed limits if some people will still break the laws?






uuuuuhh, to punish the ones who do. That's all a law is a method for punishing bad behavior. They don't stop the crime though. How is it you people can't seem to figure that fact out? Just innately stupid?
 
It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.






Let me know when the police no longer have to write speeding tickets because everyone is following the laws against speeding.

"Do you even have a brain in there, or is it all horn?"

Why have police and speed limits if some people will still break the laws?






uuuuuhh, to punish the ones who do. That's all a law is a method for punishing bad behavior. They don't stop the crime though. How is it you people can't seem to figure that fact out? Just innately stupid?

Why not reinstate the federal assault weapons ban, close the gun show loophole, and adopt universal background checks? Won't stop all the nuts - but would help.
 
Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.






Let me know when the police no longer have to write speeding tickets because everyone is following the laws against speeding.

"Do you even have a brain in there, or is it all horn?"

Why have police and speed limits if some people will still break the laws?






uuuuuhh, to punish the ones who do. That's all a law is a method for punishing bad behavior. They don't stop the crime though. How is it you people can't seem to figure that fact out? Just innately stupid?

Why not reinstate the federal assault weapons ban, close the gun show loophole, and adopt universal background checks? Won't stop all the nuts - but would help.






Because none of that will have the slightest impact on the mass murders we have experienced. Not one fucking bit. I would like to see a universal background check enacted for anyone selling a gun. However, you are doing a background check on the PERSON. There is no gun information at all. No data base of who owns what. It's none of the governments business what I own. And, make it free. Every background check law you people want to pass has a hefty fee involved and you always want to register guns.

It is moronic, and does absolutely nothing to stop crime with guns. Grow up and educate yourself.
 
By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Yes, all the RW nuts denied tobacco was a killer for years, as the cigarette dangled from their mouth. The tobacco industry funded the GOP to keep tobacco rolling. Now those tobacco smokers are dead, have lung canced or COPD.

The same will happen with guns, but it will take a long time. The NRA will pay GOP Congressmen big bucks to keep Congress from studying gun violence.

But it will happen...
 
By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Yes, all the RW nuts denied tobacco was a killer for years, as the cigarette dangled from their mouth. The tobacco industry funded the GOP to keep tobacco rolling. Now those tobacco smokers are dead, have lung canced or COPD.

The same will happen with guns, but it will take a long time. The NRA will pay GOP Congressmen big bucks to keep Congress from studying gun violence.

But it will happen...

Well, not all of us tobacco smokers are dead. I still enjoy mine in moderation. However, I get your point. It would be nice if we all owned guns in "moderation" - meaning no assault style semi-auto weapons with large magazine capacities.
 
By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Yes, all the RW nuts denied tobacco was a killer for years, as the cigarette dangled from their mouth. The tobacco industry funded the GOP to keep tobacco rolling. Now those tobacco smokers are dead, have lung canced or COPD.

The same will happen with guns, but it will take a long time. The NRA will pay GOP Congressmen big bucks to keep Congress from studying gun violence.

But it will happen...

Well, not all of us tobacco smokers are dead. I still enjoy mine in moderation. However, I get your point. It would be nice if we all owned guns in "moderation" - meaning no assault style semi-auto weapons with large magazine capacities.

I was a smoker for 16 years. Quitting was the hardest thing I have ever done. I smoked two packs a day when I quit.

I am not an anti-smoking crusader. The point is gun violence can be addressed if the NRA would allow it.
 
It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.

Your post makes almost less sense than your signature.

How do you do that?
 
It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.

Your post makes almost less sense than your signature.

How do you do that?

Good upbringing and education.
 
It's time do something. Something.







Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.

Only a moron would conclude from a claim we should defend ourselves from law breakers, means we should get rid of stop signs.

How dumb does a person have to be, to think that's a logical argument?
 
By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Yes, all the RW nuts denied tobacco was a killer for years, as the cigarette dangled from their mouth. The tobacco industry funded the GOP to keep tobacco rolling. Now those tobacco smokers are dead, have lung canced or COPD.

The same will happen with guns, but it will take a long time. The NRA will pay GOP Congressmen big bucks to keep Congress from studying gun violence.

But it will happen...

Well, not all of us tobacco smokers are dead. I still enjoy mine in moderation. However, I get your point. It would be nice if we all owned guns in "moderation" - meaning no assault style semi-auto weapons with large magazine capacities.

I was a smoker for 16 years. Quitting was the hardest thing I have ever done. I smoked two packs a day when I quit.

I am not an anti-smoking crusader. The point is gun violence can be addressed if the NRA would allow it.

Yeah, how would the NRA allow it? By banning people who don't break the law, from defending themselves? If only the NRA would allow that, then.... then the criminals who don't follow the laws... would magically give up their guns?

Don't be stupid.
 
Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.






Let me know when the police no longer have to write speeding tickets because everyone is following the laws against speeding.

"Do you even have a brain in there, or is it all horn?"

Why have police and speed limits if some people will still break the laws?






uuuuuhh, to punish the ones who do. That's all a law is a method for punishing bad behavior. They don't stop the crime though. How is it you people can't seem to figure that fact out? Just innately stupid?

Why not reinstate the federal assault weapons ban, close the gun show loophole, and adopt universal background checks? Won't stop all the nuts - but would help.
An assertion that has proven to be utterly false.

Does not seem to stop you from demanding it anyway.
 
Wait a minute you hate religious people. Ohhhh, it's apolitical issue so you can feign distress. I get it. As far as doing something I agree, arm yourself so that when these pricks go off there are people around who can kill the fucker.

May as well also get rid of stop signs and speed limits so we can all drive like maniacs.






Let me know when the police no longer have to write speeding tickets because everyone is following the laws against speeding.

"Do you even have a brain in there, or is it all horn?"

Why have police and speed limits if some people will still break the laws?






uuuuuhh, to punish the ones who do. That's all a law is a method for punishing bad behavior. They don't stop the crime though. How is it you people can't seem to figure that fact out? Just innately stupid?

Why not reinstate the federal assault weapons ban, close the gun show loophole, and adopt universal background checks? Won't stop all the nuts - but would help.

We have posted this a number of times on this forum, where they surveyed criminals in prison, on how they got their guys to commit the crimes that they did.

The vast vast majority, I forget what the exact figure, but it was way more than 75%, all got their guns... illegally. It wasn't from a 'gun show'. It wasn't through a legal dealer. It wasn't any method that would be affected in any way by laws, because it already violated laws.

And it wasn't through stealing either. It was through illegal black market sales. Putting more laws on legal sales, will not have any affect on illegal sales. Except perhaps to grow the market for illegal sales.
 
Y’all got a plan to get criminals to turn in their guns? I’ve asked this question many times and I never get a real answer. So please liberals can you please answer that?


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