It's a medical fact. Life begins at conception.

GG, you are not the law, you don't understand the law, so you can write as silly as you want, and is only that: just silly.

A fetus has neither parity nor priority over the mother: flat fact.

Legally you are correct, it has to be that way to justify a million dead babies a year.

That does not change the science behind the fact that the baby in the womb is a separate, individual being from the day it is conceived. There is no other option with regards to the science of the matter.
It is not a baby

Of course it is, what else could it be?

Are you a parent?
 
At birth. That's the standard all of humanity has used over all of human history.

"Person" or "human being" is a legal and social definition, so trying to make it a medical or scientific definition is historical revisionism, an exercise in attempting to define yourself as correct.

Pro-life logic is basically "I define a zygote as a human being, therefore a zygote is a human being." It's not very convincing. Their standards are entirely subjective, being that objective standards subjectively chosen are still subjective. Hence, they're no better than any other subjective standard.

If you really believe that, please answer this question. If a woman who is five minutes away from giving birth decided she didn't feel like being a mother… Do you think it would be perfectly OK to take that full-term, healthy baby just minutes before delivery, ram scissors into the back of his head, dismember the baby and kill him, for no reason except that the mother simply didn't want the baby?

Please don't answer with "something like that never happens"… I'm asking you what you believe, based on what you said above.
 
Ruh-roh. Someone just got triggered by the whole liberty concept.

Ha. No. I'm not triggered. I actually understand Individual liberty. I also know that when a doctor is treating a pregnant women, he's told he's treating two patients. Two Individuals.
 
It's a medical fact. Life begins at conception.

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ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.

So, if life begins at conception, doesn't that mean that it should be protected by the 14th Amendment? The only difference between a fully grown adult and a zygote is form, not nature. They both have a unique genetic identity. They are both members of the human species.

When Human Life Begins

Yes, life begins at conception. This was breaking news to you? Life never ended, both egg and sperm are alive and both human.

No, as long as the fetus is in utero, it is part of the woman's body. The fetus does not become a child until about 20-24 weeks. At the child stage there are very few abortions and they occur only when the baby is deformed, brain dead or the life of the mother is threatened.

Abortion is not about the life of the embryo/fetus. It is about the rights of the mother.

The sperm and the egg are not "human" any more than your finger is a human. They are parts of the human body, they are not human.

One day science will be able to make a child from only a female egg by doubling it's chromosomes.

The fetus is in utero, is not part of the woman's body, it is merely using the woman's body for a certain length of time.

If you remove a fetus from a woman's body, it will die. That makes it only part of the woman's body. Perhaps in the future with very expensive medical care and lots of machines, it might be possible.
 
And so is yours. It's just dumb luck that you're likely a collectivist by nature, huh?

I happen to be on topic, however.

Yours was not an opinion though. It is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception. That is not a matter of opinion.

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Then the child should be fed by the government if need be
The diaper better be changed by the government if need be

The government is the people and since the people feel that this baby should be brought into this world.

At the state level, I'd be okay with it. It's constitutial at the state level.
 
'individuated...'

So why do you keep saying that word?



''the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism..."
But – and yet, yet again – not a person as a fact of law.

The right to privacy allows Americans to debate the issue in the context of science.

The right to privacy allows Americans to debate the issue in the context of religion.

The right to privacy allows Americans to debate the issue in the context of philosophy.

The right to privacy allows Americans to believe whatever it is they wish to believe, and to act on those beliefs with regard to their private lives and private conduct.
 
It's a medical fact. Life begins at conception.

Admin closed this thread because it contained no original content. So here it is.

ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.

So, if life begins at conception, doesn't that mean that it should be protected by the 14th Amendment? The only difference between a fully grown adult and a zygote is form, not nature. They both have a unique genetic identity. They are both members of the human species.

When Human Life Begins

Yes, life begins at conception. This was breaking news to you? Life never ended, both egg and sperm are alive and both human.

No, as long as the fetus is in utero, it is part of the woman's body. The fetus does not become a child until about 20-24 weeks. At the child stage there are very few abortions and they occur only when the baby is deformed, brain dead or the life of the mother is threatened.

Abortion is not about the life of the embryo/fetus. It is about the rights of the mother.

The sperm and the egg are not "human" any more than your finger is a human. They are parts of the human body, they are not human.

One day science will be able to make a child from only a female egg by doubling it's chromosomes.

The fetus is in utero, is not part of the woman's body, it is merely using the woman's body for a certain length of time.

If you remove a fetus from a woman's body, it will die. That makes it only part of the woman's body. Perhaps in the future with very expensive medical care and lots of machines, it might be possible.

that does not make it part of the woman's body, that is just wrong. That makes it dependent on the woman, but it does not make it part of her body. The fetus is a separate, individual being.
 
If you remove a fetus from a woman's body, it will die. That makes it only part of the woman's body. Perhaps in the future with very expensive medical care and lots of machines, it might be possible.

Apparently you've never heard of embryo adoption.
 
If you really believe that, please answer this question. If a woman who is five minutes away from giving birth decided she didn't feel like being a mother… Do you think it would be perfectly OK to take that full-term, healthy baby just minutes before delivery, ram scissors into the back of his head, dismember the baby and kill him, for no reason except that the mother simply didn't want the baby?

No.

So why did you think that was some kind of gotcha question?

I believe your mistake there is equating "not a person" with "zero value". Since that's only your fallacy, it's only your problem.

What normal people believe, and what I believe, is that the worth of the zygote/embryo/fetus grows as it grows. Something does not need to be a person to have moral value. A late-term fetus is not a person, but it still has significant moral value.
 
No.

So why did you think that was some kind of gotcha question?

I believe your mistake there is equating "not a person" with "zero value". Since that's only your fallacy, it's only your problem.

What normal people believe, and what I believe, is that the worth of the zygote/embryo/fetus grows as it grows. Something does not need to be a person to have moral value. A late-term fetus is not a person, but it still has significant moral value.

A person is simply a human being. The pre-born is a human being. If your whole argument rests on what the current law is, then there's no point in even debating this.
 
And so is yours. It's just dumb luck that you're likely a collectivist by nature, huh?

I happen to be on topic, however.

Yours was not an opinion though. It is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception. That is not a matter of opinion.

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It’s Constitutionally correct to say that one is not a person entitled to 14th Amendment protections until he is born. That is also not a matter of opinion.
 

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