It's Official: Trump Appeals $355 Million Ruling in New York Civil Fraud Case -- February 26, 2024

[Oldestyle]

And you think your donations are why he's leading in almost every poll?

I'm guessing that's because Trump was actually GOOD at the job of President and Joe Biden is absolutely AWFUL at it!

 

[jc456]

So.



Under Exec law 62(12) ya, its restitution to the state.

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haven't explained the victim. Who was it?

 

[WEATHER53]

I’ll gotten gains, that means money gained from better than average interest rates from banks?

So, are they going to take this money and return it to the banks? If he owes back taxes and fines, that’s one thing, but doubtful those equate to over 400 million, so if this judgement is on behalf of the banks..then should they money go to them? Instead, the state of New York gets to keep it, because they sued trump on behalf of banks who didn’t request a lawsuit and were not defrauded? (They agreed to the terms of the loans).

The liberal suggestion that interest rates vary widely up or down based on what the buyer expresses is 97% incorrect

 

[WEATHER53]

haven't explained the victim. Who was it?

Feelings and suspicions and wishes

 

[Doc7505]

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Not Timbs was not a Civil Case, it was a criminal case. The SCOTUS decision in the case involved a criminal case and civil forgeture unter a criminal system.

It had nothing to do with a Civil Case of disgorgement. Disgorgement being the removal of illegally obtained assets in New York for persistent fraudulent and illegal business activites.

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Again..., the 8th Amendement covers both Civil and Criminal actions. To make claim that the 8th Amendment covers only Criminal cases is not correct.

 

[martybegan]

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Again..., the 8th Amendement covers both Civil and Criminal actions. To make claim that the 8th Amendment covers only Criminal cases is not correct.

There are also other claims. 1st he was never convicted of any criminal fraud, and this particular law has never been used on someone not convicted of such a crime. 2nd, the judge didn't even hold a trial, just gave a summary judgement and proceeded right to the penalty phase.

 

[jc456]

Feelings and suspicions and wishes

whose? nudge nudge.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Again..., the 8th Amendement covers both Civil and Criminal actions. To make claim that the 8th Amendment covers only Criminal cases is not correct.

I never said that the 8th Amendment doesn't cover Civil fines.

FPOTUS#45's judgement isn't a fine, it's a disgorgement which is a very different think and as the court said in Liu, ...
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[AZrailwhale]

So.



Under Exec law 62(12) ya, its restitution to the state.

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Restitution and damages to WHOM exactly? The banks weren't damaged, they profited from Trump and the state wasn't damaged, it got all its assessed taxes which must have been fair since the tax assessors work for the city and state, NOT Trump.

 

[para bellum]

Under Exec law 62(12) ya, its restitution to the state.

The State is not a defrauded investor.

You and the State can call it whatever you want- a PB&J sandwich for all I care. Sotomayor's language is clear. If it's a "disgorgement", it's an equitable remedy and it has to be paid to the victims.

Otherwise it is a punitive sanction (a fine), which puts it squarely in the realm of the 8th and 14th amendment prohibitions.

This case is begging for SCOTUS review, and they've been looking for a case to clarify this issue beyond Kokesh and Liu. I think this could be the one...

 

[Catsnmeters]

The eighth amendment to the constitution forbids excessive fines and forfeitures in civil cases. The SCOTUS already ruled (9-0) on this in Timbs vs Indiana (2019). The state cannot assess excessive fines.


Trump will win on that alone.

Donald Trump Appeals $355 Million Ruling in New York Civil Fraud Case

Former President Donald Trump filed a notice of appeal Monday in the matter of the New York civil judgment finding him liable for fraudulently inflating his net worth on years of financial statements.

www.breitbart.com

It wasn't a fine. It was disgorgement.

Your post is predicated on false information.

 

[strollingbones]

unless he put up the bond he cant appeal

 

[Doc7505]

I never said that the 8th Amendment doesn't cover Civil fines.

FPOTUS#45's judgement isn't a fine, it's a disgorgement which is a very different think and as the court said in Liu, ...
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Whom are the victims?

 

[jc456]

Here's the steal laid out perfectly. Can't make up the evil demofks for their pure hate of mankind. Just can't. Everyone of you demofks in here you should be ashamed of yourselves.



Maralogo worth 20 million in 1981. And the NY AG wants you to believe it's worth 18 million today!!!!! you're all fking ignorant sheep eating the AG's poop and drinking her pee!!!!!!!

Watch and understand where you are. fking cucks

 

[jc456]

No.

Not all violations of the law are criminal.

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did you write that with a straight face?

 

[john doe 101]

"Evidence"

Presented in a court of law, not a message board filled with right wing lunatics.

 

[jc456]

I never said that the 8th Amendment doesn't cover Civil fines.

FPOTUS#45's judgement isn't a fine, it's a disgorgement which is a very different think and as the court said in Liu, ...
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too fking funny, again, did you post that with a straight face?

 

[WorldWatcher]

did you write that with a straight face?

Yes, didn't you know there are different types of laws, some are criminal some are civil?

Come on, I can't believe you don't know that.

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[john doe 101]

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Whom are the victims?

The people having to pay higher rates to cover for trump's inevitable bankruptcy.

 

[jc456]

Presented in a court of law, not a message board filled with right wing lunatics.

Do you know that in 1981, Maralago was worth 20 million dollars. Are you suggesting that it lost money over the last 40 years? hahahaahhaahahhahahahahahah