It's Official: Trump Appeals $355 Million Ruling in New York Civil Fraud Case -- February 26, 2024

[jc456]

Yes, didn't you know there are different types of laws, some are criminal some are civil?

Come on, I can't believe you don't know that.

WW

do they require victims?

 

[Mac1958]

It's so entertaining when MAGAs gets hopeful.

Yeah, they haven't been told how this works in their world.

He hasn't even posted a bond yet, and it's gonna be tough for him to find a company that will take that risk.

Well, let 'em hope. Maybe they'll be a little less miserable for a while.

 

[john doe 101]

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Whom are the victims?

A crime doesnt necessarily need to have a victim.

 

[BackAgain]

The constitution... remember the constitution?...

One of the problems with modern American “liberal” political thinking regarding our Constitution is that when they try to label it as a “living and breathing” document, it is subject to simply dying of old age.

Before he was President, Obumbler held a gig as an instructor of Constitutional law at an Ivy League Law School. (He has been erroneously referred to as a “professor” of Constitutional Law, but that is bullshit.)

He denigrated the very subject matter. He said it was a charter of negative ”liberties” (because it constrained the government from “doing” what the public officials may wanted to do).

Obama in his interview disparages the Constitution as merely "a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf." He believes—and he's right—that changing this is the way to bring about "redistributive change."

But the founders were deeply purposeful and intellectually coherent in their definition of rights. Classically, rights are the lowest, most basic universal claims. Think of them as the ground rules for everyone, weak and strong, to respect each other and get on. * * * *

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...obamas-poor-understanding-of-the-constitution (my emphasis added)

That opinion piece is worth reading in full.

 

[Zincwarrior]

why it was excessive. learn how evil works

You have not stated why the disgorgement was illegal. He can post collateral to support his appeal until it is heard.

See they testify at appeal Your “ where were they” further shows you are ignorant of the process and matter at hand. Nobody needed them until judge nut case came up with the contrived bullshit.

Appeals are generally concerning questions of law, not fact.

unless he put up the bond he cant appeal

It sounds like he is attempting to put together syndicates of bond providers. I think a syndicate for the $83mm judgement would be easier as the $455mm one is directly based on fraudulent asset values - which directly impugns taking assets to support them...

 

[john doe 101]

Yeah, they haven't been told how this works in their world.

He hasn't even posted a bond yet, and it's gonna be tough for him to find a company that will take that risk.

Well, let 'em hope. Maybe they'll be a little less miserable for a while.

There are plenty of marks out there willing to give trump a handout.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Do you know that in 1981, Maralago was worth 20 million dollars. Are you suggesting that it lost money over the last 40 years? hahahaahhaahahhahahahahahah

I have no idea was MAL was worth in 1981.

It isn't part of the court record. The Palm Beach Tax Assessor valued it at 18 million in 2011 and (IIRC) 27 million in 2022.

But what the fair market appraisal values were from 2011 to 2022 would be higher than that. (Although no where near FPOTUS#45's 1.5 Billion.)

WW

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yeah, they haven't been told how this works in their world.

He hasn't even posted a bond yet, and it's gonna be tough for him to find a company that will take that risk.

Well, let 'em hope. Maybe they'll be a little less miserable for a while.

He has officially filed notice of appeal, but nothing about assets yet. I imagine he still has the <30 days to come up with that.

 

[john doe 101]

I have no idea was MAL was worth in 1981.

It isn't part of the court record. The Palm Beach Tax Assessor valued it at 18 million in 2011 and (IIRC) 27 million in 2022.

But what the fair market appraisal values were from 2011 to 2022 would be higher than that. (Although no where near FPOTUS#45's 1.5 Billion.)

WW

Trump says it's worth 9 figures.

 

[MagicMike]

It is kinda funny that essentially the court is punishing a victimless crime.

Bank got interest. Trump got the loan. People got employed. Money was earned by all parties.

Kangaroo Court.

This appeal is dead on arrival.
Any claim that the fine is excessive lacks legal merit because the amount is calculated based upon the value of Trump's "ill gotten gains," meaning the dollar amount of lower interest rates that the organization took in over the span of decades vs. What it should have been paying had it submitted accurate numbers to the banks for the loans it received.
It isn't rocket science, nor is it complicated (relatively speaking).
Any argument that this fine is somehow "excessive" would have to be based upon an assumption that Trump was "entitled" to these ill gotten gains that he came by through illegal (fraudulent) means.
And what would be the legal basis for that assumption?
There isn't one.
Here are some arguments though that will certainly NOT work.
"Election interference."
"Selective prosecution."
"Stifling the real estate market in NY."
"Political persecution."
"No victims."
"Vendetta by radical liberal D.A./judge."
"WHAAH! Not fair!."
Trump's attorneys have already cycled a few of these ridiculous claims through this very appellate court and been shot down each time. He already doesn't have a very good track record on attempted appeals in this case.
Besides, an appeal is not a "do over," or complete re litigation of the original case.
The case has already been tried and ruled on.
With every step up the appeals ladder the court becomes more and more deferential to the prior rulings that the case has gone through.
So basically you (or in this case Trump) become LESS likely to win on appeal than in the initial trial.
But of course Trump, being the shitty, inept businessman that he is doesn't care.
He's happy to continue throwing good money after bad.
Especially with millions of clueless, MAGAt sheeple footing his bill.

 

[Mac1958]

He has officially filed notice of appeal, but nothing about assets yet. I imagine he still has the <30 days to come up with that.

Yeah, 30 from the day of the ruling a few days ago.

 

[Arlette]

Yeah, they haven't been told how this works in their world.

He hasn't even posted a bond yet, and it's gonna be tough for him to find a company that will take that risk.

Well, let 'em hope. Maybe they'll be a little less miserable for a while.

Trump got 30 days to come up with the money and appeal. After that James will sell his stuff right from under his ass.

 

[john doe 101]

This appeal is dead on arrival.
Any claim that the fine is excessive lacks legal merit because the amount is calculated based upon the value of Trump's "ill gotten gains," meaning the dollar amount of lower interest rates that the organization took in over the span of decades vs. What it should have been paying had it submitted accurate numbers to the banks for the loans it received.
It isn't rocket science, nor is it complicated (relatively speaking).
Any argument that this fine is somehow "excessive" would have to be based upon an assumption that Trump was "entitled" to these ill gotten gains that he came by through illegal (fraudulent) means.
And what would be the legal basis for that assumption?
There isn't one.
Here are some arguments though that will certainly NOT work.
"Election interference."
"Selective prosecution."
"Stifling the real estate market in NY."
"Political persecution."
"No victims."
"Vendetta by radical liberal D.A./judge."
"WHAAH! Not fair!."
Trump's attorneys have already cycled a few of these ridiculous claims through this very appellate court and been shot down each time. He already doesn't have a very good track record on attempted appeals in this case.
Besides, an appeal is not a "do over," or complete re litigation of the original case.
The case has already been tried and ruled on.
With every step up the appeals ladder the court becomes more and more deferential to the prior rulings that the case has gone through.
So basically you (or in this case Trump) become LESS likely to win on appeal than in the initial trial.
But of course Trump, being the shitty, inept businessman that he is doesn't care.
He's happy to continue throwing good money after bad.
Especially with millions of clueless, MAGAt sheeple footing his bill.

The appeal is DOA.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Trump says it's worth 9 figures.

That's part of the reason he's was sued.

(DISCLAIMER: Not saying FPOTUS#45 can't go on T.V. and say MAL is worth $1,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, but when he puts into legal documents that is a whole different matter.)

WW

 

[martybegan]

Presented in a court of law, not a message board filled with right wing lunatics.

Plessey and Dred Scott were presented in a court of law as well.

 

[Mac1958]

There are plenty of marks out there willing to give trump a handout.

I dunno, there aren't many bond-issuing companies that have those reserves and are willing to work with him. Hell, most banks won't go near him, for good reason.

Given his luck, someone will bite the bullet. But even then, the most he can hope for is a reduction in the penalty.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Trump says it's worth 9 figures.

What did he pay tax on? And with that question, we see what the issue is.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I dunno, there aren't many bond-issuing companies that have those reserves and are willing to work with him. Hell, most banks won't go near him, for good reason.

Given his luck, someone will bite the bullet. But even then, the most he can hope for is a reduction in the penalty.

I imagine any appeal will not be heard before his death from natural causes.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I dunno, there aren't many bond-issuing companies that have those reserves and are willing to work with him. Hell, most banks won't go near him, for good reason.

Given his luck, someone will bite the bullet. But even then, the most he can hope for is a reduction in the penalty.

We know who will fund the bond. First initial "V" second initial "P".

They are setting up the shell companies right now to launder the rubles- I mean dollars.

WW

 

[Rawley]

Yeah, they haven't been told how this works in their world.

You mean the the real world outside your Trump hate bubble? LOL