Jesus on Marriage...

Still sticking by that claim: The RC church approves of pedophilia?

Are you honest enough to change that claim?

:eusa_whistle:

Again...they are known by their actions. How much time and money has the Church Hierarchy spent in covering up as opposed to rooting out the pedophiles in their midst?
Dodge.

It's a simple question: Are you still sticking to your claim that the RC church approves of pedophilia?

That would be a yes or a no response.

Easy to do, for most, that is.
It is not a dodge at all...it is an accessment of the desires of the Catholic Hierarchy based on their ACTIONS.


They are known by their actions. How much time and money has the Church Hierarchy spent in covering up as opposed to rooting out the pedophiles in their midst?
 
Again...they are known by their actions. How much time and money has the Church Hierarchy spent in covering up as opposed to rooting out the pedophiles in their midst?
Dodge.

It's a simple question: Are you still sticking to your claim that the RC church approves of pedophilia?

That would be a yes or a no response.

Easy to do, for most, that is.
It is not a dodge at all...it is an accessment of the desires of the Catholic Hierarchy based on their ACTIONS.


They are known by their actions. How much time and money has the Church Hierarchy spent in covering up as opposed to rooting out the pedophiles in their midst?
OK.

So, that is a yes. You are making the claim that the RC church approves of pedophilia.
 
Again...they are known by their actions. How much time and money has the Church Hierarchy spent in covering up as opposed to rooting out the pedophiles in their midst?

How true!
How much time and money has the Homosexual Lobby spent in covering up as opposed to rooting out the pedophiles in their midst?

There are pedophiles in the midst of the Homosexual Lobby? Name one....in fact we'll match one for one.

Here's my first pedophile priest name:

1. Father Ruben Abayan....Los Angeles Diocese


Your turn.

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James Rennie, one time co-coordinator of the homosexual rights group LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) Youth Scotland and a former teacher, and Neil Strachan, the former secretary of a Celtic boys club and campaigner on homosexual issues, were convicted in May on charges including sex attacks on children, conspiring to abuse children, and possessing and distributing child pornography."

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http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/nov/09110308

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On the surface, Neil Strachan and James Rennie held down good jobs and were trusted members of the community.
But the pair, both from Edinburgh, had a shared interest in young boys and had collected some of the worst child abuse images ever seen by police experts.
They were also responsible for the abuse of very young children - one as young as three months old.
Strachan, 41, also hid a dark past, in which he was jailed for three years for molesting a young boy.



Rennie, 38, was the successful chief executive ofLGBT Youth Scotland, an organisation dedicated to helping young gay people."

Paedophile Ring In Scotland: Operation Alegebra Snares Ringleaders Neil Strachan and James Rennie | Home | Sky News
 
What the RCC did as a matter of administrative policy to hide pedophile priests was criminal.

Instead of protecting RCC children, they valued the priests more and moved them from one parish to the other. It was evil.

The Pope is evil.
 
How true!
How much time and money has the Homosexual Lobby spent in covering up as opposed to rooting out the pedophiles in their midst?

There are pedophiles in the midst of the Homosexual Lobby? Name one....in fact we'll match one for one.

Here's my first pedophile priest name:

1. Father Ruben Abayan....Los Angeles Diocese


Your turn.

"
James Rennie, one time co-coordinator of the homosexual rights group LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) Youth Scotland and a former teacher, and Neil Strachan, the former secretary of a Celtic boys club and campaigner on homosexual issues, were convicted in May on charges including sex attacks on children, conspiring to abuse children, and possessing and distributing child pornography."

JamesRennieNeilStrachan.gif


http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/nov/09110308

"
On the surface, Neil Strachan and James Rennie held down good jobs and were trusted members of the community.
But the pair, both from Edinburgh, had a shared interest in young boys and had collected some of the worst child abuse images ever seen by police experts.
They were also responsible for the abuse of very young children - one as young as three months old.
Strachan, 41, also hid a dark past, in which he was jailed for three years for molesting a young boy.



Rennie, 38, was the successful chief executive ofLGBT Youth Scotland, an organisation dedicated to helping young gay people."

Paedophile Ring In Scotland: Operation Alegebra Snares Ringleaders Neil Strachan and James Rennie | Home | Sky News
Thank you.

So, using the same "logic" of Bodecea, homosexuals approve of pedophilia.

:thup:
 
How true!
How much time and money has the Homosexual Lobby spent in covering up as opposed to rooting out the pedophiles in their midst?

There are pedophiles in the midst of the Homosexual Lobby? Name one....in fact we'll match one for one.

Here's my first pedophile priest name:

1. Father Ruben Abayan....Los Angeles Diocese


Your turn.

"
James Rennie, one time co-coordinator of the homosexual rights group LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) Youth Scotland and a former teacher, and Neil Strachan, the former secretary of a Celtic boys club and campaigner on homosexual issues, were convicted in May on charges including sex attacks on children, conspiring to abuse children, and possessing and distributing child pornography."

JamesRennieNeilStrachan.gif


http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/nov/09110308

"
On the surface, Neil Strachan and James Rennie held down good jobs and were trusted members of the community.
But the pair, both from Edinburgh, had a shared interest in young boys and had collected some of the worst child abuse images ever seen by police experts.
They were also responsible for the abuse of very young children - one as young as three months old.
Strachan, 41, also hid a dark past, in which he was jailed for three years for molesting a young boy.



Rennie, 38, was the successful chief executive ofLGBT Youth Scotland, an organisation dedicated to helping young gay people."

Paedophile Ring In Scotland: Operation Alegebra Snares Ringleaders Neil Strachan and James Rennie | Home | Sky News

Ok, they are both in GB...so, tell me how they are part of the "Homosexual Lobby" and how the "Homosexual Lobby spent time and money hiding them?

But, even tho....I will accept those two and will raise you three:

2.Father Andrew Abdon....Santa Fe, NM

3. Father Leonard Abercrombie...Denver, CO

4.Father John Abrams....Brooklyn, NY

Your turn.
 
10,000 cases of priest pedophilia in the US alone.

Kevin Annett an ex-priest of the Catholic Church and social activist in favor of the prosecution of Pope Benedict XVI and other Vatican officials for crimes of genocide, torture and pedophilia perpetrated by them specifically in Canada where millions of children were killed, sterilized, tortured and sexually abused in residential schools (boarding schools) in Canada between 1890 and 1989. His struggles against is already taken into account and the International Tribunal on Crimes of Church and State, which is a part, has issued a public statement warning the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church which announces arrests of members of citizens clergy who have committed these barbaric acts including Father Joseph Ratzinger for his concealment of them.
http://vaticancrimesinusa.blogspot.com/
 
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There are pedophiles in the midst of the Homosexual Lobby? Name one....in fact we'll match one for one.

Here's my first pedophile priest name:

1. Father Ruben Abayan....Los Angeles Diocese


Your turn.

"
James Rennie, one time co-coordinator of the homosexual rights group LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) Youth Scotland and a former teacher, and Neil Strachan, the former secretary of a Celtic boys club and campaigner on homosexual issues, were convicted in May on charges including sex attacks on children, conspiring to abuse children, and possessing and distributing child pornography."

JamesRennieNeilStrachan.gif


http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/nov/09110308

"
On the surface, Neil Strachan and James Rennie held down good jobs and were trusted members of the community.
But the pair, both from Edinburgh, had a shared interest in young boys and had collected some of the worst child abuse images ever seen by police experts.
They were also responsible for the abuse of very young children - one as young as three months old.
Strachan, 41, also hid a dark past, in which he was jailed for three years for molesting a young boy.



Rennie, 38, was the successful chief executive ofLGBT Youth Scotland, an organisation dedicated to helping young gay people."

Paedophile Ring In Scotland: Operation Alegebra Snares Ringleaders Neil Strachan and James Rennie | Home | Sky News

Ok, they are both in GB...so, tell me how they are part of the "Homosexual Lobby" and how the "Homosexual Lobby spent time and money hiding them?

But, even tho....I will accept those two and will raise you three:

2.Father Andrew Abdon....Santa Fe, NM

3. Father Leonard Abercrombie...Denver, CO

4.Father John Abrams....Brooklyn, NY

Your turn.
Now, now, don't move those goal posts. I know it's convenient, though. :lol:

As we accept your claim as true, so must be the claim that gays approve of pedophilia.

Well, a better comparison is that Penn State approves of pedophilia. And, I bet Penn State never even knew they did. And, hell, the NCAA also approves of pedophilia.

:thup:
 
"
James Rennie, one time co-coordinator of the homosexual rights group LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) Youth Scotland and a former teacher, and Neil Strachan, the former secretary of a Celtic boys club and campaigner on homosexual issues, were convicted in May on charges including sex attacks on children, conspiring to abuse children, and possessing and distributing child pornography."

JamesRennieNeilStrachan.gif


http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/nov/09110308

"
On the surface, Neil Strachan and James Rennie held down good jobs and were trusted members of the community.
But the pair, both from Edinburgh, had a shared interest in young boys and had collected some of the worst child abuse images ever seen by police experts.
They were also responsible for the abuse of very young children - one as young as three months old.
Strachan, 41, also hid a dark past, in which he was jailed for three years for molesting a young boy.



Rennie, 38, was the successful chief executive ofLGBT Youth Scotland, an organisation dedicated to helping young gay people."

Paedophile Ring In Scotland: Operation Alegebra Snares Ringleaders Neil Strachan and James Rennie | Home | Sky News

Ok, they are both in GB...so, tell me how they are part of the "Homosexual Lobby" and how the "Homosexual Lobby spent time and money hiding them?

But, even tho....I will accept those two and will raise you three:

2.Father Andrew Abdon....Santa Fe, NM

3. Father Leonard Abercrombie...Denver, CO

4.Father John Abrams....Brooklyn, NY

Your turn.
Now, now, don't move those goal posts. I know it's convenient, though. :lol:

As we accept your claim as true, so must be the claim that gays approve of pedophilia.

Well, a better comparison is that Penn State approves of pedophilia. And, I bet Penn State never even knew they did. And, hell, the NCAA also approves of pedophilia.

:thup:

Upping to 4 this time:

5. Father Joseph Abruzzese...Providence RI

6. Father Jeffrey Acebo...Oakland, CA

7. Father JOrge Acosta...St. Petersburg, FL

8. Jesuit Brother John Acres...Boston, MA


I'm still on the early "A's"

Your turn.
 
The Archdiocese of Milwaukee and a former priest who received money to leave the ministry after allegations of sexual abuse say that payment and others were a form of charity meant to help men transition to a new life.

The archdiocese acknowledged paying suspected pedophile clergy after an abuse victims’ group produced a court document on Wednesday that mentioned a 2003 proposal to pay $20,000 to “unassignable priests” who agree to leave the ministry.



Read more: Church gave $20,000 to pedophile priests
 
The Archdiocese of Milwaukee and a former priest who received money to leave the ministry after allegations of sexual abuse say that payment and others were a form of charity meant to help men transition to a new life.

The archdiocese acknowledged paying suspected pedophile clergy after an abuse victims’ group produced a court document on Wednesday that mentioned a 2003 proposal to pay $20,000 to “unassignable priests” who agree to leave the ministry.



Read more: Church gave $20,000 to pedophile priests

"Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) have started to ask questions about why taxpayers in the European Union (EU) are being forced to finance a giant homosexual lobbying group with past links to organizations promoting pedophilia."

Prison Planet.com » EU Funding of Homosexual Lobby with Pedophile Links Questioned
 
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Researchers using publicly available data found that the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association-Europe (ILGA) received more than two-thirds of its funding directly from taxpayers through the European Commission. When tax money provided by the Dutch government was added in, over 70 percent of the group’s funds last year came from taxpayers. The rest came from billionaire leftist George Soros and two other major donors.
“It appears to be a puppet organization in the hand of a very small group of donors, of which the Commission is the most important one,” noted European human rights lawyer J.C. von Krempach, who shined the spotlight on the issue late last year in a series of articles. “Is this really a ‘non-governmental’ organization, or part of ‘civil society?’ Or is it an inofficial EU Agency?”
Despite the close ties to governments, the lobbying group has a highly controversial past, according to critics. In the 1990s, for example, after international pressure and a global scandal erupted, the ILGA was forced to purge several groups from its membership ranks because their primary mission was promoting pedophilia. Among the more controversial members was the infamous North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a group which seeks to legalize and normalize pedophilia."

Prison Planet.com » EU Funding of Homosexual Lobby with Pedophile Links Questioned
 
US only:


Archdiocese of Anchorage
See also: Sexual abuse scandal in the Society of Jesus
In 2007, the Society of Jesus made a $50 million payout to over 100 Inuits who alleged that they had been sexually abused. The settlement did not require them to admit molesting Inuit children, but accusations involved 13 or 14 priests who allegedly molested these children for 30 years.[57]

In 2008, the Diocese of Fairbanks, a co-defendant in the case, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, claiming inability to pay the 140 plaintiffs filing claims against the diocese for alleged sexual abuse by priests or church workers during this period.[58][59][60]

Archdiocese of Boston
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Boston
Allegations of sexual misconduct by priests of the Archdiocese of Boston, and following revelations of a cover-up by the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Bernard Francis Law, became known in 2004, causing Roman Catholics in other dioceses of the United States to investigate similar situations. Cardinal Law's actions prompted public scrutiny of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the steps taken in response to past and current allegations of sexual misconduct by priests. The events in the Archdiocese of Boston became a national scandal.

Archdiocese of Chicago
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Chicago
Daniel McCormack, a self-confessed sexually abusive priest was sentenced to five years in prison for abusing five boys (8–12 years) in 2001.[61]

Diocese of Crookston
Rev. Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul was charged with molesting two teenage girls at a Catholic church in Greenbush, Minnesota, a small rural town near the Canadian border. The abuse occurred in 2004, and charges were filed in 2006 and amended in 2007.[62] Without facing legal punishment, Jevapaul returned to his home diocese in Ootacamund, India, where today he works in the church’s diocesan office. A Roseau County, Minnesota attorney is seeking to extradite the priest from India in a criminal case involving one of the girls.[63] The Archbishop of Madras, India (Madras is now called “Chennai”) has asked Jeyapaul to return to the US to face the charges.[64] Jevapaul has said that he will not fight extradition if the US seeks it.[65]

Diocese of Davenport
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Davenport diocese
On October 10, 2006, the Diocese of Davenport filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.[66]

Archdiocese of Denver
In July 2008 the Archdiocese of Denver paid a settlement of $5.5 million dollars to 18 claims of alleged sexual abuse perpetrated by two clerics between the years of 1954 and 1981.[67]

Archdiocese of Dubuque
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Dubuque archdiocese
In 2006 the Archdiocese settled a number of claims of sexual abuse, and the Archbishop offered a personal apology.[68]

Diocese of Fall River
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Fall River diocese
Father James Porter was a Roman Catholic priest who was convicted of molesting 28 children;[69] He admitted sexually abusing at least 100 of both sexes over a period of 30 years, starting in the 1960s.[70] Bishop Sean O'Malley settled 101 abuse claims and initiated a zero-tolerance policy against sexual abuse. He also instituted one of the first comprehensive sexual abuse policies in the Roman Catholic Church.[71]

Diocese of Honolulu
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Honolulu diocese
Reverend Joseph Bukoski, III, SS.CC., Honolulu, Hawaii, a member of the Congregation of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary was canonically removed in 2003 as the pastor of Maria Lanakila Catholic Church in Lahaina by Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo for allegations relating to sexual improprieties some 30 years earlier. Fr. Bukoski issued a written public apology to his victim on November 12, 2005.

Reverend Mr. James "Ron" Gonsalves, Wailuku, Hawaii, Gonsalves the administrator of Saint Ann Roman Catholic Church in Waihee, Maui, pleaded guilty on May 17, 2006 to several counts of sexual assault on a 12-year-old male. Bishop Clarence Richard Silva has permanently withdrawn his faculties and has initiated laicization proceedings against Deacon Gonsalves with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Archdiocese of Los Angeles
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Los Angeles
The Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay out 60 million dollars to settle 45 lawsuits it still faces over 450 other pending cases. According to the Associated Press, 22 priests were involved in the settlement with cases going back as far as the 1930s.[72] 20 million dollars of this was paid by the insurers of the archdiocese. The main administrative office of the archdiocese is due to be sold to cover the cost of these and future law suits. The archdiocese will settle about 500 cases for about $600 million.[73]

Diocese of Memphis
The Diocese of Memphis reached a $2 million settlement with a man who was abused as a boy by Father Juan Carlos Duran, a priest with a history of sexual misconduct with juveniles in St. Louis, Panama, and Bolivia.[74]

Archdiocese of Miami
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Miami archdiocese
Since 1966, the Archdiocese of Miami Insurance Programs have paid $26.1 million in settlement, legal, and counseling costs associated with sexual misconduct allegations made by minors involving priests, laity and religious brothers and sisters.[75]

Archdiocese of Milwaukee
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Catholic archdiocese of Milwaukee
A 2003 report on the sexual abuse of minors by clergy in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee revealed that allegations of sexually assaulting minors had been made against 58 ordained men.[citation needed] By early 2009, the Archdiocese of Milwaukee had spent approximately $26.5 million in attorney fees and settlements. Under Archbishop Timothy Dolan the archdiocese was able to avoid bankruptcy from lawsuits.[76]

A Wisconsin priest, the Rev. Lawrence C Murphy, who taught at the former St. John School for the Deaf in the Milwaukee suburb of St. Francis, Wisconsin from 1950 to 1974, allegedly molested more than 200 deaf boys. Several U.S. bishops warned the Vatican that failure to act on the matter could embarrass the church. Murphy was moved by then Milwaukee Archbishop William E Cousins to Superior, Wisconsin, a small city near Lake Superior, where he spent his final 24 years working with children in parishes, schools and a juvenile detention center. He died in 1998. As of March 2010, there were four outstanding lawsuits against the Archdiocese of Milwaukee in the case.[77][78]

Diocese of Oakland
In 1981, the former Rev. Stephen Kiesle was convicted for tying up and molesting two boys in a California church rectory.[79] From 1981 to 1985, Bishop John Stephen Cummins, who oversaw Kiesle, contacted the Vatican about defrocking him. Then-cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI, responded by letter that the case needed more time, as it was "necessary to consider the good of the Universal Church" and "the detriment that granting the dispensation" could provoke among the faithful. In 1987, the Vatican defrocked Kiesle. The letter was widely regarded as evidence of Ratzinger's role in blocking the removal of pedophile priests.[80][81] Vatican officials responded that that interpretation rested on a misreading of the letter, in which the issue was not whether Kiesle should be defrocked but whether he should be granted the dispensation he had requested from the obligation of chastity. By refusing to grant such a dispensation right away in the Kiesle case, Ratzinger was actually being tough with an abuser, not lax.[82][83]

Archdiocese of Omaha
During his tenure as the Bishop of Helena, Montana, Archbishop Elden Francis Curtiss chose to reassign a priest who had been accused of pedophilia in 1959, later admitting that he had not properly examined the church's personnel file on the individual concerned. Curtiss faced similar criticism in 2001 in regard to a priest accused of accessing child pornography. Curtiss, it was alleged, had failed to bring the case to the attention of the authorities, and had chosen to send the priest for counseling and to reassign the priest, removing him from his high-school teaching position but reassigning him to a middle-school.[84]

Diocese of Orange, California
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic diocese of Orange
On January 3, 2005 Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange apologized to 87 alleged victims of sexual abuse and announced a settlement of $100 million following two years of mediation.

Diocese of Palm Beach
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic diocese of Palm Beach
Joseph Keith Symons resigned as ordinary in 1998 after admitting he molested five boys while he was a pastor.[85]

Diocese of Peoria
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Peoria diocese
Coadjutor Bishop John J. Myers of Peoria was among the two-thirds of sitting bishops and acting diocese administrators that the Dallas Morning News found had allowed priests accused of sexual abuse to continue working.[86]

In 2005, Rev. Francis Engels pleaded guilty to molesting a Peoria altar boy on trips to Milwaukee in the early 1980s.[87]

Archdiocese of Philadelphia
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Philadelphia
According to a 2005 investigation, while serving as assistant vicar for administration in 1996, Bishop Cistone was involved with silencing a nun who tried to alert parishioners at St. Gabriel parish about abuse by a priest. According to the report, there were several other instances of priest sexual abuse that Cistone was complicit in covering up.[88] In February 2011, Monsignor William Lynn, former secretary of the clergy for the Philadelphia Archdiocese, was charged with child endangerment, marking the first time that a high-ranking official has been charged since the eruption of sex abuse scandals nearly ten years prior.[89] Lynn was found by a grand jury to have placed pedophiles in posts involving contact with children, which led directly to the sexual assault of two boys. Three priests and one teacher face rape charges.

Diocese of Phoenix
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Phoenix diocese
On November 21, 2005, Monsignor Dale Fushek of the Diocese of Phoenix was arrested and charged with 10 criminal misdemeanor counts related to alleged inappropriate sexual contact with teens and young adults.[90]

Archdiocese of Portland
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Portland archdiocese
The Archdiocese of Portland filed for Chapter 11 reorganization on July 6, 2004, hours before two abuse trials were set to begin.[citation needed] Portland became the first Catholic diocese to file for bankruptcy. An open letter to the archdiocese's parishioners explained the archbishop's motivation.

Archdiocese of San Antonio
John Salazar was sentenced to life in prison for sexually assaulting a 18-year-old parishioner.[91]

Diocese of San Diego
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in San Diego diocese
On February 27, 2007, the Diocese of San Diego filed for Chapter 11 protection, hours before the first of about 150 lawsuits was due to be heard.[citation needed]

Diocese of Savannah
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic diocese of Savannah
In October, 2009, the diocese of Savannah paid $4.24 million to settle a lawsuit which alleged that Lessard allowed a priest named Wayland Brown to work in the diocese when Lessard knew that Brown was a serial child molester who posed a danger to children.[92]

Diocese of Spokane
Under Bishop William S. Skylstad the Diocese of Spokane declared bankruptcy in December 2004. As part of its bankruptcy, the diocese has agreed to pay at least $48 million as compensation. This payout has to be agreed to by the victims and a judge before it will be made. According to federal bankruptcy judge, Gregg W. Zive, money for the settlement would come from insurance companies, the sale of church property, contributions from Catholic groups and from the diocese's parishes.[93]

Diocese of Stockton
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Stockton diocese
Fr. Oliver O'Grady molested multiple children in Stockton.[94] The 2006 documentary Deliver Us From Evil is based on accusations that Bishop Roger Mahony knew that Oliver O'Grady was an active pedophile.[95]

Diocese of Tucson
The Diocese of Tucson filed for bankruptcy in September, 2004. It reached an agreement with plaintiffs, which the bankruptcy judge approved on June 11, 2005, specifying terms that included allowing the diocese reorganization to continue in return for a $22.2 million settlement.[96]

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