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This a flat false position. The vaccines are narrower and allow you to become infectious over and over again. Natural Immunities are 27 times stronger, will not allow you to become a spreader of the virus a second time, and has longevity in excess of 20 years. 137 studies now show natural immunities far outlasting and out protecting than any vaccine driven immunity. Omicron is a good example of this. NI stops this variant in its tracks, but it evades all vaccine driven immunity and shots. It is 10-15 times more contagious than Delta but far less severe as those with cases are treated at home and no one has yet died from this variant's infection.Yeah o.k., except for: It's been mentioned that the vax provided better immunity than having had Covid. I don't know if that's true and I'm not claiming it is. But logical thinking on the question tells me tha it's at least possible that the vax could protect against most strains while having one strain of Covid may only protect against that one particular strain.
I'll just remain 50/50 and in the middle on the question.
I'm open to any argument that could prove it either way. Just be aware that I don't entertain unsophisticated nonsense from either side.
Most all of us had it and most all of us never even knew itThis a flat false position. The vaccines are narrower and allow you to become infectious over and over again. Natural immunities are 27 times stronger, will not allow you to become a spreader of the virus a second time, and has longevity in excess of 20 years. 137 studies now show natural immunities far outlasting and out protecting than any vaccine driven immunity. Omicron is a good example of this. NI stops this variant in its tracks, but it evades all vaccines driven immunity and shots. It is 10-15 times more contagious than Delta but far less severe as those with cases are treated at home and no one has yet died from this variant's infection.
This variant is going to burn through all of those with vaccine driven immunities and those who are unvaccinated equally. As it has a very low mortality rate and creates natural immunities it will end the pandemic in short order just as other pandemics have ended in history.
There is a recent report that came out that said vax protection was 6x better than natural immunity. Prior to that report there were and still are several others that say quite the opposite. Natural immunity is 7-13x more effective.Yeah o.k., except for: It's been mentioned that the vax provided better immunity than having had Covid. I don't know if that's true and I'm not claiming it is. But logical thinking on the question tells me tha it's at least possible that the vax could protect against most strains while having one strain of Covid may only protect against that one particular strain.
I'll just remain 50/50 and in the middle on the question.
I'm open to any argument that could prove it either way. Just be aware that I don't entertain unsophisticated nonsense from either side.
No he is correct there is a report that says that…This a flat false position. The vaccines are narrower and allow you to become infectious over and over again. Natural immunities are 27 times stronger, will not allow you to become a spreader of the virus a second time, and has longevity in excess of 20 years. 137 studies now show natural immunities far outlasting and out protecting than any vaccine driven immunity. Omicron is a good example of this. NI stops this variant in its tracks, but it evades all vaccine driven immunity and shots. It is 10-15 times more contagious than Delta but far less severe as those with cases are treated at home and no one has yet died from this variant's infection.
This variant is going to burn through all of those with vaccine driven immunities and those who are unvaccinated equally. As it has a very low mortality rate and creates natural immunities it will end the pandemic in short order just as other pandemics have ended in history.
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I was about to accept your evidence as one side of the debate but then you deliberately lied about the vax not being effective against Omicron. You can't do that with me.This a flat false position. The vaccines are narrower and allow you to become infectious over and over again. Natural immunities are 27 times stronger, will not allow you to become a spreader of the virus a second time, and has longevity in excess of 20 years. 137 studies now show natural immunities far outlasting and out protecting than any vaccine driven immunity. Omicron is a good example of this. NI stops this variant in its tracks, but it evades all vaccines driven immunity and shots. It is 10-15 times more contagious than Delta but far less severe as those with cases are treated at home and no one has yet died from this variant's infection.
Maybe but we don't know that as fact yet.This variant is going to burn through all of those with vaccine driven immunities and those who are unvaccinated equally. As it has a very low mortality rate and creates natural immunities it will end the pandemic in short order just as other pandemics have ended in history.
That's a good example of how the debate can take place.There is a recent report that came out that said vax protection was 6x better than natural immunity. Prior to that report there were and still are several others that say quite the opposite. Natural immunity is 7-13x more effective.
Thought I heard this morning that Fau Chi has now stated that omnicron appears to be not serious. Then why doesn't he say it nationally!!!! Stop with the extra vaccine rhetoric? why the enhanced testing to fly international? And, that omnicron may have already been in the US and not originated in South Africa.Except for Fau Chi and the vaccine lobby, all H. sapiens should be done with the communist Chinese virus, whose origins are still apparently unknown.
no demofk will ever let it end, we know that already.I was about to accept your evidence as one side of the debate but then you deliberately lied about the vax not being effective against Omicron. You can't do that with me.
Maybe but we don't know that as fact yet.
nothing to support this paragraph.Those who are vaccinated are better protected than those who are unvaxxed and haven’t had covid. Those who have had covid are better protected than those who are vaxxed and haven’t caught it. The most protected are those who are vaxxed and have caught it. I don’t know what you mean by “done with”
Only one of the vaccines is stopping this variant. It is the one that uses dead virus as its base. None of the mRNA vaccines (shots as they do not allow long term memory to form) do this. I assumed too much and I should have been more specific. My apologies.I was about to accept your evidence as one side of the debate but then you deliberately lied about the vax not being effective against Omicron. You can't do that with me.
Maybe but we don't know that as fact yet.
1. That it is a vaccine. It is not. The CDC removed the def. of a vaccine because this serum didn't meet the criteria of a vaccine.I asked what the lie was. Can you post the lie and who is saying it?
Apology accepted. I'll consider your assertion that none of the mRNA vaxs protect against is stopping Omicron. We might get something definitive on the news tonight?Only one of the vaccines is stopping this variant. It is the one that uses dead virus as its base. None of the mRNA vaccines (shots as they do not allow long term memory to form) do this. I assumed too much and I should have been more specific. My apologies.
To be honest I had only ever heard reports that NI was much more effective. Joe Rogan had an excellent discussion with Sanjay Gupta about it on his podcast and Gupta was affirming that claim. I just saw the report you are pointing to as I looked it up before responding to your claim. I havent dug in so I dont have an opinion yetThat's a good example of how the debate can take place.
Your contribution suggests both possibilities but leans a bit toward NI being more effective.
Of course, that's a job for you liberals. We should have known better.You and Jim Jordan don’t get to assign who are real Americans and who are not.
You do know that article has been disproved... I'm amazed that it is still up.No he is correct there is a report that says that…
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I’ve never heard a liberal call a certain segment of the population as a “real American”. Have you?Of course, that's a job for you liberals. We should have known better.
It’s only a month old. When was it disproven?You do know that article has been disproved... I'm amazed that it is still up.
When we explain to you libs what a real American is, you bitch that we're excluding people.I’ve never heard a liberal call a certain segment of the population as a “real American”. Have you?
Splitting up who is and isn’t a “real” member of the country is kinda fascist.When we explain to you libs what a real American is, you bitch that we're excluding people.
