Judge Challenges Prosecution Bullshit at Manafort Trial

[jc456]

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A guy who worked for a Russian lickspittle and mobsters with connections to the Russian regime offers to work for free as Donald Trump's campaign manager.

Hmmmm. No red warning lights here!

You're using the Muller tactic.

More mental masterbation for the trumpets....

Manafort wilfully evaded tax.... the proof is there....

Your problem is that you know Trump is guilty and that Manafort might have proof. Why didn't vote for a guy who isn't a criminal...

Because you can't resist a guy who jerks off your bigoted views...

Now when answering this don't forget "BUT BUT HILLARY/OBAMA.........

Guilty of what exactly?
No evidence exists of any crime, yet you keep saying Trump is guilty.

He's not guilty of beating Hillary, is he?
There's evidence of that.

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Bripatty has no critical thinking skills. His blind devotion to his master reeks of a cult member.

and yet you believe russia russia with absolutely nothing in evidence. not a fking damn thing. what does that make you? I have names.

How do you say that there is nothing in evidence. It's coming out.
BTW: what does Weinstein have anything at all to do with this topic?

what is? so far all that's happened is the prosecution has been scolded for not presenting evidence to the indictment presented. why is that?

 

[jc456]

No, bode...they aren't bringing it. They are yammering about shit that has nothing to do with anything.

And the court is going to dismiss the charges if they don't knock it off.

And it sounds to me like the court is seriously thinking about charging at least one of the prosecutors with contempt. Which would be hilarious and fitting.

You have never said why the prosecution in Manafort's trial is bogus. Not a word. Again, why do you love manafort so much? Do you know him and know his character?

The prosecution here is bogus because it has nothing to do with trump.......

Yawn

It's up to you to explain it. Prosecutors do not go to court without sufficient evidence. Is manafort guilty of what he has been charged with or not? If manafort's doings have something to do with trump, shouldn't the American People know about it? What is to be hidden from the public?

Kid, this all happened way before Manafort worked for trump, you need to deal with reality. If you didn't pay your taxes or filed wrong returns, should your boss be arrested for what you did

Kid, how is the arrest of his boss implicated in all of this? It hasn't been mentioned. Are you trying to draw a connection between manafort's activities and trump? Interesting.

and never will. so?

 

[Rosy]

No, bode...they aren't bringing it. They are yammering about shit that has nothing to do with anything.

And the court is going to dismiss the charges if they don't knock it off.

And it sounds to me like the court is seriously thinking about charging at least one of the prosecutors with contempt. Which would be hilarious and fitting.

You have never said why the prosecution in Manafort's trial is bogus. Not a word. Again, why do you love manafort so much? Do you know him and know his character?

The prosecution here is bogus because it has nothing to do with trump.......

Yawn

It's up to you to explain it. Prosecutors do not go to court without sufficient evidence. Is manafort guilty of what he has been charged with or not? If manafort's doings have something to do with trump, shouldn't the American People know about it? What is to be hidden from the public?

Kid, this all happened way before Manafort worked for trump, you need to deal with reality. If you didn't pay your taxes or filed wrong returns, should your boss be arrested for what you did

Kid, how is the arrest of his boss implicated in all of this? It hasn't been mentioned.

I am asking is your boss responsible if you file a fraudulent return?

Think doofus

 

[Lysistrata]

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A guy who worked for a Russian lickspittle and mobsters with connections to the Russian regime offers to work for free as Donald Trump's campaign manager.

Hmmmm. No red warning lights here!

You're using the Muller tactic.

Guilty of what exactly?
No evidence exists of any crime, yet you keep saying Trump is guilty.

He's not guilty of beating Hillary, is he?
There's evidence of that.

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Bripatty has no critical thinking skills. His blind devotion to his master reeks of a cult member.

and yet you believe russia russia with absolutely nothing in evidence. not a fking damn thing. what does that make you? I have names.

How do you say that there is nothing in evidence. It's coming out.
BTW: what does Weinstein have anything at all to do with this topic?

what is? so far all that's happened is the prosecution has been scolded for not presenting evidence to the indictment presented. why is that?

No one is responsible for the judge's behavior. What matters is the evidence and witnesses presented.
Opinion | Manafort's judge berating the prosecutors isn't good for his defense

What is your interest in getting manafort off? Are you a buddy of his?

 

[jc456]

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You're using the Muller tactic.
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Bripatty has no critical thinking skills. His blind devotion to his master reeks of a cult member.

and yet you believe russia russia with absolutely nothing in evidence. not a fking damn thing. what does that make you? I have names.

How do you say that there is nothing in evidence. It's coming out.
BTW: what does Weinstein have anything at all to do with this topic?

what is? so far all that's happened is the prosecution has been scolded for not presenting evidence to the indictment presented. why is that?

No one is responsible for the judge's behavior. What matters is the evidence and witnesses presented.
Opinion | Manafort's judge berating the prosecutors isn't good for his defense

What is your interest in getting manafort off? Are you a buddy of his?

asked and answered yesterday, go read it.

 

[Lysistrata]

You have never said why the prosecution in Manafort's trial is bogus. Not a word. Again, why do you love manafort so much? Do you know him and know his character?

The prosecution here is bogus because it has nothing to do with trump.......

Yawn

It's up to you to explain it. Prosecutors do not go to court without sufficient evidence. Is manafort guilty of what he has been charged with or not? If manafort's doings have something to do with trump, shouldn't the American People know about it? What is to be hidden from the public?

Kid, this all happened way before Manafort worked for trump, you need to deal with reality. If you didn't pay your taxes or filed wrong returns, should your boss be arrested for what you did

Kid, how is the arrest of his boss implicated in all of this? It hasn't been mentioned.

I am asking is your boss responsible if you file a fraudulent return?

Think doofus

No. You think, doofus. If manafort goes down on tax-related matters, what does this have anything to do with trump? If it doesn't, how come you are screaming so hard?

 

[jc456]

The prosecution here is bogus because it has nothing to do with trump.......

Yawn

It's up to you to explain it. Prosecutors do not go to court without sufficient evidence. Is manafort guilty of what he has been charged with or not? If manafort's doings have something to do with trump, shouldn't the American People know about it? What is to be hidden from the public?

Kid, this all happened way before Manafort worked for trump, you need to deal with reality. If you didn't pay your taxes or filed wrong returns, should your boss be arrested for what you did

Kid, how is the arrest of his boss implicated in all of this? It hasn't been mentioned.

I am asking is your boss responsible if you file a fraudulent return?

Think doofus

No. You think, doofus. If manafort goes down on tax-related matters, what does this have anything to do with trump? If it doesn't, how come you are screaming so hard?

because it was done unjustly, and unneeded the way it went down. precedence was not observed and instead bullying a family for tax related matters at a 6:00am raid with guns out and treating the family as all criminals was unprecedented and sickening.

 

[Rosy]

The prosecution here is bogus because it has nothing to do with trump.......

Yawn

It's up to you to explain it. Prosecutors do not go to court without sufficient evidence. Is manafort guilty of what he has been charged with or not? If manafort's doings have something to do with trump, shouldn't the American People know about it? What is to be hidden from the public?

Kid, this all happened way before Manafort worked for trump, you need to deal with reality. If you didn't pay your taxes or filed wrong returns, should your boss be arrested for what you did

Kid, how is the arrest of his boss implicated in all of this? It hasn't been mentioned.

I am asking is your boss responsible if you file a fraudulent return?

Think doofus

No. You think, doofus. If manafort goes down on tax-related matters, what does this have anything to do with trump? If it doesn't, how come you are screaming so hard?

Dopey, this all happened years before he worked for trump. See Trump is not responsible for Manafort paying his taxes. It's real simple, but way over your numbskull

 

[bodecea]

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A guy who worked for a Russian lickspittle and mobsters with connections to the Russian regime offers to work for free as Donald Trump's campaign manager.

Hmmmm. No red warning lights here!

You're using the Muller tactic.

Guilty of what exactly?
No evidence exists of any crime, yet you keep saying Trump is guilty.

He's not guilty of beating Hillary, is he?
There's evidence of that.

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Bripatty has no critical thinking skills. His blind devotion to his master reeks of a cult member.

and yet you believe russia russia with absolutely nothing in evidence. not a fking damn thing. what does that make you? I have names.

How do you say that there is nothing in evidence. It's coming out.
BTW: what does Weinstein have anything at all to do with this topic?

what is? so far all that's happened is the prosecution has been scolded for not presenting evidence to the indictment presented. why is that?

They are being scolded for their facial expressions.

 

[jc456]

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You're using the Muller tactic.
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Bripatty has no critical thinking skills. His blind devotion to his master reeks of a cult member.

and yet you believe russia russia with absolutely nothing in evidence. not a fking damn thing. what does that make you? I have names.

How do you say that there is nothing in evidence. It's coming out.
BTW: what does Weinstein have anything at all to do with this topic?

what is? so far all that's happened is the prosecution has been scolded for not presenting evidence to the indictment presented. why is that?

They are being scolded for their facial expressions.

and for not presenting the evidence that was used to get the indictment. don't worry. I read, I don't need your diversionary tricks to offset the real story. the real story, ellis has eaten the prosecutors daily.

 

[koshergrl]

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You're using the Muller tactic.
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Bripatty has no critical thinking skills. His blind devotion to his master reeks of a cult member.

and yet you believe russia russia with absolutely nothing in evidence. not a fking damn thing. what does that make you? I have names.

How do you say that there is nothing in evidence. It's coming out.
BTW: what does Weinstein have anything at all to do with this topic?

what is? so far all that's happened is the prosecution has been scolded for not presenting evidence to the indictment presented. why is that?

They are being scolded for their facial expressions.

Contempt of court takes many forms.
Failure to visibly afford the court respect is a form of contempt. I know because I have seen a judge have a whole clot of Hispanic hos dragged back into a courtroom for disrespecting the court..and they weren't even the ones appearing.

When the arraignment of their gang member hero was finished, they streamed out of the courtroom, tossing their heads and chitchatting, one said "puta". The judge then asked the bailiff to go out and retrieve them.

They were brought in, lined up in front of the bench, and the judge explained contempt of court to them, and informed them that she could have them thrown in jail that very moment if she chose to do so. She chose not to, but she gave them a lesson they will never ever forget..and that lesson was the LAW requires that those in the courtroom afford the LAW the respect it is entitled to.

That means you stand to address the court, and you don't roll your fucking eyes at judges.

I hope he slaps him in jail. I have a funny feeling.

The **** chicks were sporting an entirely different demeanor upon their forced re-entry into the courtroom. They stood before the judge with their hands folded before them and their faces were properly sober and open. They filed out silently and they did not run in the hall outside, either..because they were given an escort.

 

[forkup]

The point about all of this is Manafort is being prosecuted simply because he worked for Trump for a few days.
That is the only reason they broke into his home.
How many of us would stand up under such scrutiny.
The press and the liars in the Democrat party will repeatedly say that Manafort worked for Trump.
Nothing else matters.
The Clintons had to amend their last tax return because of undeclared income and were allowed to. Manafort wasn't offered that option.

More mental masterbation for the trumpets....

Manafort wilfully evaded tax.... the proof is there....

Your problem is that you know Trump is guilty and that Manafort might have proof. Why didn't vote for a guy who isn't a criminal...

Because you can't resist a guy who jerks off your bigoted views...

Now when answering this don't forget "BUT BUT HILLARY/OBAMA.........

Guilty of what exactly?
No evidence exists of any crime, yet you keep saying Trump is guilty.

He's not guilty of beating Hillary, is he?
There's evidence of that.

Conspiracy to defraud the United States seems a possible, even likely crime. So does obstruction of justice. Less likely but still possible seems the charge of witness tampering, since the President of the United States deems it appropriate to comment on an ongoing trial. Thereby unduly influencing the jury.
These are possible charges just by what is available in the public realm. I'm not taking into consideration the likelihood that Trump committed financial crimes like the ones Manafort is now on trial for in his business deals. In the end Mueller will give the conclusions to his probe and that is when we will know if and which crimes were committed. Until that time my opinion on it is just as valid/or invalid, however you want to look on it as yours. Claiming there is no evidence of crimes though is wishful thinking. At the moment Trump has to hope that Mueller actually sees him as incompetent , otherwise the only other conclusion will be that he acted the way he did on purpose thereby proving intent and by extension the existence of crimes.

SHUT THE FORKUP!!!!

OBAMA THREATENED SCOTUS JUDGES DURING IMPORTANT CASES AND CLAIMED THAT THERE WAS NOT EVEN A SMIDGEN OF CHANCE HILLARY WOULD BE INDICTED!!

....and that ball is back,back,back, GONE!

Sure, it would take a Trump supporter to believe a reply to something Trump did is best answered by something you guys claim Obama and Hilary did. It makes sense I guess. If you don't have an actual argument to provide, a logical fallacy works in a pinch.

 

[jc456]

More mental masterbation for the trumpets....

Manafort wilfully evaded tax.... the proof is there....

Your problem is that you know Trump is guilty and that Manafort might have proof. Why didn't vote for a guy who isn't a criminal...

Because you can't resist a guy who jerks off your bigoted views...

Now when answering this don't forget "BUT BUT HILLARY/OBAMA.........

Guilty of what exactly?
No evidence exists of any crime, yet you keep saying Trump is guilty.

He's not guilty of beating Hillary, is he?
There's evidence of that.

Conspiracy to defraud the United States seems a possible, even likely crime. So does obstruction of justice. Less likely but still possible seems the charge of witness tampering, since the President of the United States deems it appropriate to comment on an ongoing trial. Thereby unduly influencing the jury.
These are possible charges just by what is available in the public realm. I'm not taking into consideration the likelihood that Trump committed financial crimes like the ones Manafort is now on trial for in his business deals. In the end Mueller will give the conclusions to his probe and that is when we will know if and which crimes were committed. Until that time my opinion on it is just as valid/or invalid, however you want to look on it as yours. Claiming there is no evidence of crimes though is wishful thinking. At the moment Trump has to hope that Mueller actually sees him as incompetent , otherwise the only other conclusion will be that he acted the way he did on purpose thereby proving intent and by extension the existence of crimes.

SHUT THE FORKUP!!!!

OBAMA THREATENED SCOTUS JUDGES DURING IMPORTANT CASES AND CLAIMED THAT THERE WAS NOT EVEN A SMIDGEN OF CHANCE HILLARY WOULD BE INDICTED!!

....and that ball is back,back,back, GONE!

Sure, it would take a Trump supporter to believe a reply to something Trump did is best answered by something you guys claim Obama and Hilary did. It makes sense I guess. If you don't have an actual argument to provide, a logical fallacy works in a pinch.

it's called irony.

 

[forkup]

No it needs to be thrown out because the charges lack merit..and the prosecution isn't trying to prove the charges, but instead are just flinging shit.

“I don’t know if they are bad or good. And I don’t care,” Ellis argued, reiterating his previous claim that the prosecution seemed to be focusing not on the actual charges but on what he considered “political contributions.”

"Ellis again compared the Ukrainians in question to American billionaires and “Mr. Koch and Mr. Soros” as political contributors.

“I don’t know why you keep bringing (up) these people,” Andres said, referring to the Ukrainians. “These people are not like any Americans. These people are oligarchs and that means they control a segment of the economy based on the governments allowing them to do that.”’

“These are not really political contributions,” he continued. “They are self-serving payments with respect to what oligarchs do.”

“That makes it even clearer to me that it doesn’t have anything to do with the allegations in this case,” Ellis responded. “It throws dirt on these people. They may deserve it. I don’t know - and I don’t care.”

Manafort prosecutors, Judge Ellis engage in 10-minute courtroom spat

Clearly, you've not looked at the MOUNTAIN of evidence. You simply don't care because Crooked Paul is one of your ilk.

if there's a mountain of evidence and this so clear to even us commoners, how come meuller is having a hard time in court with it?

if paul is guilty - take him in the same way you would anyone you don't know who faces this daily. but google "obama appointments tax evasion" and see how many tax cheats he put into public offices on his staff.

didn't see you and your "ilk" get upset about that.

Mueller is not having a bit of trouble in court. This judge just happens to be a grumpy, senile old asshole who favors the defense and should have retired ten years ago.

Thanks for rating my post as winner. Having said that and in the interest of honesty I want to say something. If the argument that a judge disallowed evidence so that means the prosecutors are imbeciles, and therefor the case should be dismissed is bullshit ( which it is). Than so is the argument that the judge favors the defense so he has to be a grumpy, senile old asshole. A judge act as a referee in these kinds of cases. I personally don't like a judge curtailing the prosecutors ability to make it's case in the interest of brevity, that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. I think he's ruling that the prosecutions case is sufficiently strong and the detail that they are providing unnecessary. Either way, making claims about this judge on the bases on who the law is favoring by a ruling is wrong.

Okay, perhaps I should apologize to the judge for my broad brush strokes. However, per the witnesses who've been in court the entire time, this judge is attacking ONLY the prosecutors. He criticizes their facial expressions. He accused one of them of "crying" who was not crying. He interrupts them and tells them how their questions SHOULD be asked. He is exerting FAR too much ego and influence over the proceedings.

It isn't just me. Even Fox Judge Andrew Napolitano concurs (top link)

Fox News analyst: Judge in Manafort trial showing 'extraordinary bias' against prosecutors
Cranky judge, flawed witness threaten Mueller’s Manafort case
Opinion | Manafort's judge berating the prosecutors isn't good for his defense

No, he doesn't just attack the the prosecution.
Manafort trial Day 8: Judge concedes fault after Mueller team protests treatment
An exert.
Ellis has sometimes faulted defense attorneys, but that has been more rare. On the other hand, the prosecution has been doing most of the heavy lifting thus far as the government presents its case, with the defense's opportunity to call witnesses expected next week.
My point is that in this hyper partisan era it is important by those who truly believe in Democracy and their institutions, to make a few assumptions. One if which is that the justice department's judges, prosecutors and other staff, act in good faith. Without that faith there is no hope.

 

[forkup]

Guilty of what exactly?
No evidence exists of any crime, yet you keep saying Trump is guilty.

He's not guilty of beating Hillary, is he?
There's evidence of that.

Conspiracy to defraud the United States seems a possible, even likely crime. So does obstruction of justice. Less likely but still possible seems the charge of witness tampering, since the President of the United States deems it appropriate to comment on an ongoing trial. Thereby unduly influencing the jury.
These are possible charges just by what is available in the public realm. I'm not taking into consideration the likelihood that Trump committed financial crimes like the ones Manafort is now on trial for in his business deals. In the end Mueller will give the conclusions to his probe and that is when we will know if and which crimes were committed. Until that time my opinion on it is just as valid/or invalid, however you want to look on it as yours. Claiming there is no evidence of crimes though is wishful thinking. At the moment Trump has to hope that Mueller actually sees him as incompetent , otherwise the only other conclusion will be that he acted the way he did on purpose thereby proving intent and by extension the existence of crimes.

SHUT THE FORKUP!!!!

OBAMA THREATENED SCOTUS JUDGES DURING IMPORTANT CASES AND CLAIMED THAT THERE WAS NOT EVEN A SMIDGEN OF CHANCE HILLARY WOULD BE INDICTED!!

....and that ball is back,back,back, GONE!

Sure, it would take a Trump supporter to believe a reply to something Trump did is best answered by something you guys claim Obama and Hilary did. It makes sense I guess. If you don't have an actual argument to provide, a logical fallacy works in a pinch.

it's called irony.

Please provide me with quotes. When have you caught me on a logical fallacy? Not saying I never have but I want you to point it out for me.

 

[koshergrl]

Clearly, you've not looked at the MOUNTAIN of evidence. You simply don't care because Crooked Paul is one of your ilk.

if there's a mountain of evidence and this so clear to even us commoners, how come meuller is having a hard time in court with it?

if paul is guilty - take him in the same way you would anyone you don't know who faces this daily. but google "obama appointments tax evasion" and see how many tax cheats he put into public offices on his staff.

didn't see you and your "ilk" get upset about that.

Mueller is not having a bit of trouble in court. This judge just happens to be a grumpy, senile old asshole who favors the defense and should have retired ten years ago.

Thanks for rating my post as winner. Having said that and in the interest of honesty I want to say something. If the argument that a judge disallowed evidence so that means the prosecutors are imbeciles, and therefor the case should be dismissed is bullshit ( which it is). Than so is the argument that the judge favors the defense so he has to be a grumpy, senile old asshole. A judge act as a referee in these kinds of cases. I personally don't like a judge curtailing the prosecutors ability to make it's case in the interest of brevity, that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. I think he's ruling that the prosecutions case is sufficiently strong and the detail that they are providing unnecessary. Either way, making claims about this judge on the bases on who the law is favoring by a ruling is wrong.

Okay, perhaps I should apologize to the judge for my broad brush strokes. However, per the witnesses who've been in court the entire time, this judge is attacking ONLY the prosecutors. He criticizes their facial expressions. He accused one of them of "crying" who was not crying. He interrupts them and tells them how their questions SHOULD be asked. He is exerting FAR too much ego and influence over the proceedings.

It isn't just me. Even Fox Judge Andrew Napolitano concurs (top link)

Fox News analyst: Judge in Manafort trial showing 'extraordinary bias' against prosecutors
Cranky judge, flawed witness threaten Mueller’s Manafort case
Opinion | Manafort's judge berating the prosecutors isn't good for his defense

No, he doesn't just attack the the prosecution.
Manafort trial Day 8: Judge concedes fault after Mueller team protests treatment
An exert.
Ellis has sometimes faulted defense attorneys, but that has been more rare. On the other hand, the prosecution has been doing most of the heavy lifting thus far as the government presents its case, with the defense's opportunity to call witnesses expected next week.
My point is that in this hyper partisan era it is important by those who truly believe in Democracy and their institutions, to make a few assumptions. One if which is that the justice department's judges, prosecutors and other staff, act in good faith. Without that faith there is no hope.

Federal prosecutors consistently act in bad faith.

Unsealed Court Docs Show How Prosecutors Tried To Rig Bundy Trial

Stephanie Grace: Disgraced New Orleans prosecutor's commenting storm sets off a real one

Former U.S. Attorney Amanda Marshall faces state ethics investigation

Federal Prosecutors Committed Intentional Professional Misconduct in New Orleans

 

[jc456]

Conspiracy to defraud the United States seems a possible, even likely crime. So does obstruction of justice. Less likely but still possible seems the charge of witness tampering, since the President of the United States deems it appropriate to comment on an ongoing trial. Thereby unduly influencing the jury.
These are possible charges just by what is available in the public realm. I'm not taking into consideration the likelihood that Trump committed financial crimes like the ones Manafort is now on trial for in his business deals. In the end Mueller will give the conclusions to his probe and that is when we will know if and which crimes were committed. Until that time my opinion on it is just as valid/or invalid, however you want to look on it as yours. Claiming there is no evidence of crimes though is wishful thinking. At the moment Trump has to hope that Mueller actually sees him as incompetent , otherwise the only other conclusion will be that he acted the way he did on purpose thereby proving intent and by extension the existence of crimes.

SHUT THE FORKUP!!!!

OBAMA THREATENED SCOTUS JUDGES DURING IMPORTANT CASES AND CLAIMED THAT THERE WAS NOT EVEN A SMIDGEN OF CHANCE HILLARY WOULD BE INDICTED!!

....and that ball is back,back,back, GONE!

Sure, it would take a Trump supporter to believe a reply to something Trump did is best answered by something you guys claim Obama and Hilary did. It makes sense I guess. If you don't have an actual argument to provide, a logical fallacy works in a pinch.

it's called irony.

Please provide me with quotes. When have you caught me on a logical fallacy? Not saying I never have but I want you to point it out for me.

do you know what irony is?

 

[Dschrute3]

Yes, but then openly apologized for it. It's tainted the trial bigtime. It's a farce now. A Mistrial will have to be declared. That's a wrap.

 

[koshergrl]

Oh yeah Dr. Love is a bode sock too...

 

[DrLove]

Yes, but then openly apologized for it. It's tainted the trial bigtime. It's a farce now. A Mistrial will have to be declared. That's a wrap.

Dude you're hilarious. A month off the board as to whether Crooked Paul is convicted and gets jail time?
The one situation he may not is if he goes singing to Mueller after his conviction.