Tulsa race massacre reparations lawsuit survives motion to deny and will move forward, judge rules

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Three of the plaintiffs in this case are over 100 years old and based on the ruling today I'm guessing that the defendants filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit which the judge denied.

They're probably hoping that the plaintiffs pass away before the case can be resolved so that the defendants can then state that there no longer are any individuals who were directly harmed by the acts that are alleged in the lawsuit. That is on top of their argument that none of the people who perpetuated the harm are alive to be held accountable.

Isn't that part of the problem though? That in 100 years time, the government, nor law enforcement made any effort to hold anyone accountable while they were still alive?

Tulsa race massacre reparations lawsuit survives motion to deny and will move forward, judge rules

By Amir Vera, Omar Jimenez, Ashley Killough and Leonel Mendez,
CNN Updated 9:14 PM ET, Mon May 2, 2022

Tulsa, Oklahoma (CNN)The plaintiffs in a lawsuit seeking reparations for the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre celebrated a judge's ruling on Monday when she allowed their case to move forward after defendants sought a motion to dismiss the case.


Judge Caroline Wall said the motion to dismiss was "granted in part" and "denied in part," which essentially allows the case to proceed but it's unclear what will happen next, including details on a potential trial, according to Michael Swartz, one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs.​
The plaintiffs' attorneys pleaded Monday afternoon for the judge to allow the case to move forward so the survivors and descendants of victims from the massacre could have their day in court, potentially their last chance to get some semblance of justice.​
A century after the Tulsa race massacre, 'you still have a community that's struggling'

A packed courtroom in Tulsa erupted in cheers and applause at the judge's ruling, including the three remaining survivors who are all over 100 years old and were in the courtroom for the hours-long hearing.​
"I've never seen nothing like this happen," said Hughes Van Ellis, a 101-year-old survivor of the massacre who told CNN he never lost hope.​
"That means it's going to change things. It's going to make people think ... It's going to change, it's going to be better for everybody," said Ellis, who also goes by Uncle Red.​
The lawsuit was filed in March 2021 and looks to not only set the record straight on what took place between May 31 and June 1, 1921, but also create a special fund for survivors and descendants of the massacre that left at least 300 Black people dead and the once-booming neighborhood of Greenwood destroyed.​
On top of that, attorneys for the plaintiffs are racing against the clock. Three of their clients are more than 100 years old; including the 101-year-old Ellis as well as Viola Fletcher and Lessie Benningfield Randle who are both 107.​
Damario Solomon-Simmons, an attorney for the plaintiffs, told CNN Monday he was involved in earlier litigation for the massacre in the early 2000s with Charles J. Ogletree and Johnnie Cochran. Today's victory, he said, followed a long string of defeats.
"When you work on something for 20-plus years, you have defeat after defeat ... you have client after client die. To know I have three living survivors that are here with me right now feel this partial victory, it means everything," Solomon-Simmons said.
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Judge Wall's decision Monday on the case, which has been 100 years in the making, means America could be held accountable for a previous injustice and could lay the groundwork for similar cases in the future, Solomon-Simmons said.​
"It shows a precedent and model of how you can organize a community, how you can organize your colleagues and partners throughout the nation," he said. "This victory we've received is because of so many people working together from across this nation and building coalitions."​
Walking into the courtroom to a cheering crowd Monday, Solomon-Simmons pleaded the case to move this trial forward.​
"They've waited 300-plus years to have their day in court," Solomon-Simmons said of the three survivors. He argued the main point of this case is undoing the harm done by the defendants, arguing there is no time limit on something that is having a continued effect.​
"Injustice plus time does not equal justice," Simmons said.​

Lawsuit names 7 defendants​

The lawsuit names 11 plaintiffs, including survivors and relatives of survivors. Seven total defendants are named, including the city of Tulsa, Oklahoma Military Department and the Tulsa Development Authority.
Six months after the lawsuit was initially filed, some defendants in the case, including the Board of County Commissioners and Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission, filed motions to dismiss. The defendants' oppositions included arguments that the case lacks standing because some plaintiffs have not proven they suffered concrete personal injury and that their alleged injuries could not be remedied by the court. A hearing was held in September, but no decision was made at the time.​
A judge gave the plaintiffs until January 31 to present new arguments and gave the defendants until March to respond, Solomon-Simmons said. CNN has reached out to the defendants for comment.​
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"We asked her for another hearing day because mother (Viola) Fletcher turns 108 on May 10, and we asked Judge Wall and ... we said, 'Look, this issue needs to be resolved before this lady turns 108 years old.' And that's why she granted that hearing," he said.​
The lawsuit is also looking to officially declare that the actions of that day and the century that followed "created a public nuisance" for the plaintiffs and their descendants as defined by Oklahoma law.​
The next steps after Monday's hearing would be the discovery stage or the gathering of more evidence, both attorneys told CNN.​
"And that's why this is so important. There's so much we don't know about the massacre. There's so much, we don't know about the ongoing harm," Solomon-Simmons said.​
John Tucker, who is representing the Tulsa Chamber, argued Monday that a charge of public nuisance can't address societal ills, and he quoted extensively from the November ruling where the Oklahoma Supreme Court reversed a district court decision that ordered Johnson & Johnson to pay $65 million to the state for its role in the opioid crisis.​
"We hold that the district court's expansion of public nuisance law went too far," Oklahoma Supreme Court Justice James Winchester wrote in his opinion at the time, adding the state's public nuisance cannot be extended to the opioid pandemic.​
Tucker also argued the massacre happened too long ago to warrant a charge of public nuisance. While the plaintiffs compared the massacre to an oil spill that has long-term effects, Tucker disagreed. He argued the massacre, which the plaintiffs called a triggering act, can't be likened to an oil spill that's still on the ground and causing harm -- to which some people in the gallery made sounds of disapproval.​
Tucker further argued it's a matter to be addressed by other branches of government, not the courts, and the judge would be overstepping the legislature's mandate by allowing this case to go to trial.​

Race massacre's effects linger 100 years later​

There have been efforts in recent years to raise awareness about the massacre.​
The 2018 news that victims' bodies might have been found, along with plot lines from two popular TV shows -- HBO's "Lovecraft Country" and "Watchmen" -- helped to invigorate interest in this dark period of American history. (CNN and HBO have the same parent company.)​
Many of the details about what happened that spring have been lost to time, though.​
1921 Tulsa massacre survivor: We could smell houses burning

1921 Tulsa massacre survivor: We could smell houses burning 02:55​
What is known is that Tulsa at the time had something most cities did not: The Greenwood District was a thriving Black hub of commerce, home to multiple millionaires and about 300 Black-owned businesses. It is colloquially known as Black Wall Street.​
The 1921 Tulsa race massacre​
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The events leading up to the massacre began on May 30, 1921, when Dick Rowland, a 19-year-old Black shoe shiner, ran from an elevator in a downtown building after the elevator's teen operator let out a scream. Rumors of a rape then circulated, Rowland was arrested, and White Tulsans formed a lynch mob.​
Black Tulsans arrived at the jail to defend Rowland, scuffles ensued, a gun went off, and as then-Sheriff William McCullough told Literary Digest, "All hell broke loose."​
This photograph shows men walking with their hands raised during the Tulsa race massacre on June 1, 1921.

This photograph shows men walking with their hands raised during the Tulsa race massacre on June 1, 1921.​
The mob laid waste to about 35 blocks within 16 hours, arresting thousands of Black residents, while robbing, beating and killing others. Historic photos show entire blocks gutted by flame and Black people lying in the street.​
Exacerbating matters were insurance companies that denied many claims for what today would be tens of millions of dollars in property damage, including the destruction of two Black hospitals and 1,256 residences, according to the Greenwood Cultural Center.​
"There is still no hospital in north Tulsa today. So that's 101 years that that hospital has never been rebuilt," Solfanelli said. "When you think about the generational wealth that was lost when Greenwood was lost, then I think people can step back and say, 'Wait a minute, imagine if that happened to my great-grandparents.'"​
Solomon-Simmons told CNN what makes Greenwood special isn't its destruction, Black communities have endured similar events throughout history.​
"It's special because of the size and scope of the destruction. It's special because we have so much documentation, we have actual video, we have hundreds of pictures, we have hundreds of insurance claims that were not paid, and we have three living survivors," he said. "If Black people can't win this, how can we win?"​
CNN's Sonia Moghe, Nicquel Terry Ellis and Eliott C. McLaughlin contributed to this report.​

 
Black want reparations because they have never been able to achieve anything beyond expert shoplifting on their own. Oh yes, beating elderly Asian women to death.
 
Three of the plaintiffs in this case are over 100 years old and based on the ruling today I'm guessing that the defendants filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit which the judge denied.

They're probably hoping that the plaintiffs pass away before the case can be resolved so that the defendants can then state that there no longer are any individuals who were directly harmed by the acts that are alleged in the lawsuit. That is on top of their argument that none of the people who perpetuated the harm are alive to be held accountable.

Isn't that part of the problem though? That in 100 years time, the government, nor law enforcement made any effort to hold anyone accountable while they were still alive?
There have been injustices done to people throughout the history of the world. The plaintiffs in this case were under 10 years old when it came down. Their recollections are faint at best and tainted by things that they were told over decades. Reparations are not appropriate and this case smacks of a money grab--not justice. There are no defendants left alive who were responsible for the injustice. To award reparations from tax payers is no more just than the original injustice.
 
Isn't that part of the problem though?
That is part of the problem, and sadly unsurprising.

The effort to dismiss the lawsuit is consistent with conservatives’ efforts to sweep America’s racist history under the rug – a history conservatives find troublesome and inconvenient, a history that undermines white grievance politics and racist replacement theory.
 
Three of the plaintiffs in this case are over 100 years old and based on the ruling today I'm guessing that the defendants filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit which the judge denied.

They're probably hoping that the plaintiffs pass away before the case can be resolved so that the defendants can then state that there no longer are any individuals who were directly harmed by the acts that are alleged in the lawsuit. That is on top of their argument that none of the people who perpetuated the harm are alive to be held accountable.

Isn't that part of the problem though? That in 100 years time, the government, nor law enforcement made any effort to hold anyone accountable while they were still alive?
The Tulsa massacre was conducted by Dixie Democrats and thus, the Democrat Party should reimburse any survivors.
 
Three of the plaintiffs in this case are over 100 years old and based on the ruling today I'm guessing that the defendants filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit which the judge denied.

They're probably hoping that the plaintiffs pass away before the case can be resolved so that the defendants can then state that there no longer are any individuals who were directly harmed by the acts that are alleged in the lawsuit. That is on top of their argument that none of the people who perpetuated the harm are alive to be held accountable.

Isn't that part of the problem though? That in 100 years time, the government, nor law enforcement made any effort to hold anyone accountable while they were still alive?
Oh stop it....Tulsa black section was burned because black mobster who owned most of the businesess--speakeasy, whore and gambling houses, tried to break one of his rapist henchmen out of jail. Go sue him.
 
Why punish today's taxpayers for something that happened so long ago? Is the plan to throw money out the back of a truck in Tulsa? That might be easier than trying to track down nd test the DNA of family members who claim the treasure. Today's Armed Forces enlistees get lavish bonuses but Vets who served honorably in at least three conflicts got nothing and they are still around. If Oklahoma wants to do the right thing by living people who served their Country honorably, how about retroactive bonuses to Vets?
 
Three of the plaintiffs in this case are over 100 years old and based on the ruling today I'm guessing that the defendants filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit which the judge denied.

They're probably hoping that the plaintiffs pass away before the case can be resolved so that the defendants can then state that there no longer are any individuals who were directly harmed by the acts that are alleged in the lawsuit. That is on top of their argument that none of the people who perpetuated the harm are alive to be held accountable.

Isn't that part of the problem though? That in 100 years time, the government, nor law enforcement made any effort to hold anyone accountable while they were still alive?
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If they win the chances they will get paid before they decease are still slim.

If it is like Pigford v Glickman, where 91 Black Farmers sued the US Department of Agriculture for discriminatory practices ...
It may be decades before anyone gets any money.

It's been 23 years since they won their case and at least some of the original plaintiffs still haven't been paid.
Mostly because after Congress approved the $120 million to pay the farmers (it took them 9 years to do that) ...
Attorney General Eric Holder and President Obama recruited 90,000 more farmers,
including Hispanics, Native Americans and Women (they actually knew what the word meant in 2008).

When the price tag got to $4.4 billion and the legal fees exceeded the $120 million approved ...
I am not sure anyone but the lawyers have been paid anything.

That's the Government making an effort to help you ... :auiqs.jpg:

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If they win the chances they will get paid before they decease are still slim.

If it is like Pigford v Glickman, where 91 Black Farmers sued the US Department of Agriculture for discriminatory practices ...
It may be decades before anyone gets any money.

It's been 23 years since they won their case and at least some of the original plaintiffs still haven't been paid.
Mostly because after Congress approved the $120 million to pay the farmers (it took them 9 years to do that) ...
Attorney General Eric Holder and President Obama recruited 90,000 more farmers,
including Hispanics, Native Americans and Women (they actually knew what the word meant in 2008).

When the price tag got to $4.4 billion and the legal fees exceeded the $120 million approved ...
I am not sure anyone but the lawyers have been paid anything.

That's the Government making an effort to help you ... :auiqs.jpg:

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The Pigford case was a "settled" case that was never argued before a judge or jury, you know.

Just a promise on the part of a liberal regime to make reparations payments regardless of the merits of the case. The fact that they didn't isn't that shocking. It was the promise that was important.
 
That is part of the problem, and sadly unsurprising.

The effort to dismiss the lawsuit is consistent with conservatives’ efforts to sweep America’s racist history under the rug – a history conservatives find troublesome and inconvenient, a history that undermines white grievance politics and racist replacement theory.

So we are changing our legal system from American to Klingon?

Sins of the Father and all that?
 
Three of the plaintiffs in this case are over 100 years old and based on the ruling today I'm guessing that the defendants filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit which the judge denied.

They're probably hoping that the plaintiffs pass away before the case can be resolved so that the defendants can then state that there no longer are any individuals who were directly harmed by the acts that are alleged in the lawsuit. That is on top of their argument that none of the people who perpetuated the harm are alive to be held accountable.

Isn't that part of the problem though? That in 100 years time, the government, nor law enforcement made any effort to hold anyone accountable while they were still alive?
What sort of people would oppose this ?
 

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