Just a thought for Republicans that dislike Trump.

[Cecilie1200]

What is being shattered is the status quo of the GOP that is loaded with career fat cats and pundits who are scared shitless at the prospect of being summarily dismissed by the Trump wave. Trump won't get just 30% of the GOP and he will get Independents and Democrats and people who had given up but actually hear a glimmer of hope when Trump speaks.

Both parties have gone astray and made everything about politics instead of the people.

Give the Republican constituency some credit. With the support of Trump, we are trying to change the party. We too are sick of the status quo and the promises of change that never seem to happen. We're sick of being lied to and we're going to do something about it.

What are the Democrats doing? Nothing. They keep drifting further and further left to the point their current President was supported by the US Communist Party both elections and one of their top contenders for the nomination is an admitted Socialist.

So how are you going to feel when Trump turns out to be more of the same, but with less class?

The fact that he has the GOP party elite in full panic mode tells me that he is not more of the same. Of course no one knows how this will play out but I am all for a true outsider with long track record of success in the private sector running the country.

Long track record of success. You mean his bankruptcies, his string of failed business ventures, his two class action lawsuits? THAT long track record?

 

[MarathonMike]

Failure is a part of success, is it not? Look at what the man has achieved. You can dislike him personally but I don't see how you discount him as a leader.

 

[Flopper]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

No, Donald Trump is a guarantee of a Clinton win.

If the retard herd is stupid enough to give the nomination to Trump, they deserve Hillary Clinton as their President.

Here, I'll post this one more time as apparently you missed it.

Trump is pulling 49% of GOP
Trump Hits 49 Percent Support in New National Poll

Breaking Poll: Trump beating EVERY Democrat with record-high black & Latino support
The poll shows Trump defeating every Democrat with scores like this:

* Trump 45%, Clinton 40%. (There is a 20-point Gender Gap; Trump leads by 18 points among seniors.)
* Trump 44%, Sanders 40%. (Trump leads by 10 among independents and by 6 among moderates.)
* Trump 44%, Biden 42%. (Trump leads by 10 among the best educated; Biden leads by 17 among the least educated.)
* Trump 44%, Gore 41%. (Trump leads by 12 among men and by 18 among voters age 50+.)

Among those who self-identify as paying a lot of attention to politics, the results are even more dramatic.

* Trump 54%, Clinton 36%.
* Trump 53%, Sanders 39%.
* Trump 53%, Biden 37%.
* Trump 54%, Gore 36%.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/u...st-supporters-a-certain-kind-of-democrat.html
Donald Trump holds a dominant position in national polls in the Republican race in no small part because he is extremely strong among people on the periphery of the G.O.P. coalition.

He is strongest among Republicans who are less affluent, less educated and less likely to turn out to vote. His very best voters are self-identified Republicans who nonetheless are registered as Democrats. It’s a coalition that’s concentrated in the South, Appalachia and the industrial North, according to data provided to The Upshot by Civis Analytics, a Democratic data firm.

Mr. Trump’s huge advantage among these groups poses a challenge for his campaign, because it may not have the turnout operation necessary to mobilize irregular voters.

Poll suggests 30% of Democrats support Trump, If so Trump will sweep the Election and Win ALL 50 States - Walid Shoebat
Poll Suggests 30% Of Democrats Support Trump, If So Trump Will Sweep The Election And Win ALL 50 States


Trump is going to win in a landslide, folks, God Willing

Did you bother to read about this survey. It was conducted by Survey USA late last summer at the height of the Clinton email scandal. 62% of their sample are from home phones who typically favor republicans and 38% are from cell phones that typically favor democrats. Cell phones were only called if the party could not be reached on a home phone. Among just the universe of cell-phone respondents, Clinton defeats Trump by 16 points; Sanders defeats Trump by 12 point.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

No, Donald Trump is a guarantee of a Clinton win.

If the retard herd is stupid enough to give the nomination to Trump, they deserve Hillary Clinton as their President.

Here, I'll post this one more time as apparently you missed it.

Trump is pulling 49% of GOP
Trump Hits 49 Percent Support in New National Poll

Breaking Poll: Trump beating EVERY Democrat with record-high black & Latino support
The poll shows Trump defeating every Democrat with scores like this:

* Trump 45%, Clinton 40%. (There is a 20-point Gender Gap; Trump leads by 18 points among seniors.)
* Trump 44%, Sanders 40%. (Trump leads by 10 among independents and by 6 among moderates.)
* Trump 44%, Biden 42%. (Trump leads by 10 among the best educated; Biden leads by 17 among the least educated.)
* Trump 44%, Gore 41%. (Trump leads by 12 among men and by 18 among voters age 50+.)

Among those who self-identify as paying a lot of attention to politics, the results are even more dramatic.

* Trump 54%, Clinton 36%.
* Trump 53%, Sanders 39%.
* Trump 53%, Biden 37%.
* Trump 54%, Gore 36%.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/u...st-supporters-a-certain-kind-of-democrat.html
Donald Trump holds a dominant position in national polls in the Republican race in no small part because he is extremely strong among people on the periphery of the G.O.P. coalition.

He is strongest among Republicans who are less affluent, less educated and less likely to turn out to vote. His very best voters are self-identified Republicans who nonetheless are registered as Democrats. It’s a coalition that’s concentrated in the South, Appalachia and the industrial North, according to data provided to The Upshot by Civis Analytics, a Democratic data firm.

Mr. Trump’s huge advantage among these groups poses a challenge for his campaign, because it may not have the turnout operation necessary to mobilize irregular voters.

Poll suggests 30% of Democrats support Trump, If so Trump will sweep the Election and Win ALL 50 States - Walid Shoebat
Poll Suggests 30% Of Democrats Support Trump, If So Trump Will Sweep The Election And Win ALL 50 States


Trump is going to win in a landslide, folks, God Willing

Did you bother to read about this survey. It was conducted by Survey USA late last summer at the height of the Clinton email scandal. 62% of their sample are from home phones who typically favor republicans and 38% are from cell phones that typically favor democrats. Cell phones were only called if the party could not be reached on a home phone. Among just the universe of cell-phone respondents, Clinton defeats Trump by 16 points; Sanders defeats Trump by 12 point.

But then not everybody uses cell phones. I hate the damned things. They're like electronic leashes.

Wouldnt a 6:4 ratio of landlines to cell phones be close to the norm?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Failure is a part of success, is it not? Look at what the man has achieved. You can dislike him personally but I don't see how you discount him as a leader.

Pretty easily. He's a sleazy bully who made his money off of gambling, strip clubs, and reality TV. Admittedly, all of those things are legal, but they don't exactly scream "Leader of the Free World" to me. The Presidency is not entertainment, and the future of America should not be a gamble.

 

[WheelieAddict]

So of the two "anti establishment" candidates, Trump or Sanders, who do you think is more likely to start a nuclear war. I'm going with Trump and it isn't even close.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So of the two "anti establishment" candidates, Trump or Sanders, who do you think is more likely to start a nuclear war. I'm going with Trump and it isn't even close.

Yeah, cause Trump wants his grandkids to grow up in a radio active planet.

 

[WheelieAddict]

So of the two "anti establishment" candidates, Trump or Sanders, who do you think is more likely to start a nuclear war. I'm going with Trump and it isn't even close.

Yeah, cause Trump wants his grandkids to grow up in a radio active planet.

You didn't answer the question directly because it is obvious Trump is far more likely to than Sanders.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So of the two "anti establishment" candidates, Trump or Sanders, who do you think is more likely to start a nuclear war. I'm going with Trump and it isn't even close.

Yeah, cause Trump wants his grandkids to grow up in a radio active planet.

You didn't answer the question directly because it is obvious Trump is far more likely to than Sanders.

Lol, I answered you question dude. You just dont understand it.

 

[Flopper]

Failure is a part of success, is it not? Look at what the man has achieved. You can dislike him personally but I don't see how you discount him as a leader.

I could say the same thing about Peyton Manning who shattered NFL records and is a lock for the Hall of Fame or Bill Gates with a net worth of almost 10 times that of Trump. However, I don't consider any of the above including Trump presidential material. Making lots of money does not qualify you to be president.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Failure is a part of success, is it not? Look at what the man has achieved. You can dislike him personally but I don't see how you discount him as a leader.

I could say the same thing about Peyton Manning who shattered NFL records and is a lock for the Hall of Fame or Bill Gates with a net worth of almost 10 times that of Trump. However, I don't consider any of the above including Trump presidential material. Making lots of money does not qualify you to be president.

No, but being a successful manager of over 500 businesses,only 4 of which have gone bankrupt, is an impressive managerial success. On top of that a successful writer and TV star as well?

Face it, if Trump had a (D) by his name and was leading the Democrat polls for the POTUS nomination, you would be kissing his ass every two minutes.

 

[Flopper]

What is being shattered is the status quo of the GOP that is loaded with career fat cats and pundits who are scared shitless at the prospect of being summarily dismissed by the Trump wave. Trump won't get just 30% of the GOP and he will get Independents and Democrats and people who had given up but actually hear a glimmer of hope when Trump speaks.

Both parties have gone astray and made everything about politics instead of the people.

Give the Republican constituency some credit. With the support of Trump, we are trying to change the party. We too are sick of the status quo and the promises of change that never seem to happen. We're sick of being lied to and we're going to do something about it.

What are the Democrats doing? Nothing. They keep drifting further and further left to the point their current President was supported by the US Communist Party both elections and one of their top contenders for the nomination is an admitted Socialist.

So how are you going to feel when Trump turns out to be more of the same, but with less class?

I don't think that will happen, and here's why:

Trump is not a professional politician nor does his life depend on government. You can't say that for just about everybody else in politics.

Most of these jokers get into politics because they will end up rich if they play the game. Trump is already rich. He doesn't have to play the game if he doesn't want to. He's not worried about getting reelected, he's not worried about how much he will be able to charge others making speeches once retired. He doesn't owe any favors to anybody. And if we decide not to reelect him, no problem, he has better things to do.

Politicians are driven by a thirst for power not wealth. Wealth often follows power but it's power that is the goal. If Trump get's elected, he'll owe a ton of political favors. Do you think Christie endorsed Trump because he thinks he'll make a great president? No way. Christie is in the 3rd year of his second term and he can't run again. He's going to be looking for a VP spot or a cabinet position or possibly AG. As Trump goes through his campaign and collects endorsements and favors, he becomes more indebted to others. As president, political favors are the currency a president uses to do his job.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Politicians are driven by a thirst for power not wealth.

Yeah, that is why they all retire poor, right?

If Trump get's elected, he'll owe a ton of political favors.

He wont owe the favors to corporate lobbyists though.

Do you think Christie endorsed Trump because he thinks he'll make a great president? No way. Christie is in the 3rd year of his second term and he can't run again. He's going to be looking for a VP spot or a cabinet position or possibly AG.

My bet is AG.

As Trump goes through his campaign and collects endorsements and favors, he becomes more indebted to others. As president, political favors are the currency a president uses to do his job.

Hey somebody's gotta take those jobs. so why not do some horse trading?

It is the people that take tens of millions of USD donations from corporations that I am concerned about.

What some politician owes to another politicians is immaterial if not illegal.

 

[Never3ndr]

Politicians are driven by a thirst for power not wealth. Wealth often follows power but it's power that is the goal. If Trump get's elected, he'll owe a ton of political favors. Do you think Christie endorsed Trump because he thinks he'll make a great president? No way. Christie is in the 3rd year of his second term and he can't run again. He's going to be looking for a VP spot or a cabinet position or possibly AG. As Trump goes through his campaign and collects endorsements and favors, he becomes more indebted to others. As president, political favors are the currency a president uses to do his job.

This is how politics is generally done...however, for better or worse, Trump is displaying is apparent lack of regard for "politics as usual." I'd honestly say that if he does get a Presidential nod, he'd look more at what he thinks he is owed rather than what he thinks he owes (which follows with your "thirst for power" point). However, rather than being a positive, I'd see this as a negative. One of the best ways to get what YOU want done in office is to build party alliances and log roll to get issues that are truly important passed while giving up some less important ones. Trump's likely inability to understand and act on this important part in politics is one of the main reasons why he's such a scary force. We could likely see a war between governmental branches if he gets into office...to the benefit of nobody but maybe some Islamic extremists wanting to see America devolve from a first world power.

 

[longknife]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

The best bet is Rubio or Kasich.

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Presidential Race

I agree. I think in a Trump vs. Clinton race, Clinton will increase her lead in the polls after the nominations because Trump will have to get votes from a lot of people that just don't like him. Trump's support by the republican establishment will always be begrudging and insincere. For a nominee to win the general election, he or she needs the enthusiastic support of a unified party and I don't see that happening with Trump.

My feeling is just the opposite. If Shrillary is the nominee, people will come out of the woodwork to vote for Trump just so she doesn't get elected.

 

[longknife]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

The best bet is Rubio or Kasich.

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Presidential Race

I agree. I think in a Trump vs. Clinton race, Clinton will increase her lead in the polls after the nominations because Trump will have to get votes from a lot of people that just don't like him. Trump's support by the republican establishment will always be begrudging and insincere. For a nominee to win the general election, he or she needs the enthusiastic support of a unified party and I don't see that happening with Trump.

And you do with Hillary????

Yes, well far more than with Trump. For Hillary, party comes first. For Trump he doesn't give damn about the party. Yet it is that party that will get him elected and will determine his success as president.

There are a lot republicans that are afraid of Trump, maybe not enough to vote for Hillary but enough to question his principals. A candidate that takes days to reject an endorsement by a former Grand Wizard of the KKK and quotes Mussolini may attract racists and fascists but not established republicans.

I got news for you - For Hillary, Hillary comes first, foremost, and forever!

 

[g5000]

I got news for you - For Hillary, Hillary comes first, foremost, and forever!

The same is true for The Donald.

There really is no daylight between the two. It does not matter which one you vote for, you are voting for the same person.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So of the two "anti establishment" candidates, Trump or Sanders, who do you think is more likely to start a nuclear war. I'm going with Trump and it isn't even close.

Yeah, cause Trump wants his grandkids to grow up in a radio active planet.

Just because someone's actions produce undesirable results doesn't mean they INTENDED that. Hell, the Democrats have built their entire history on the Law of Unintended Consequences, and still haven't figured it out.

I would go with Trump, too. Trump and Sanders are both pussies, but Sanders appears to actually embrace it, instead of trying to pretend otherwise.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Failure is a part of success, is it not? Look at what the man has achieved. You can dislike him personally but I don't see how you discount him as a leader.

I could say the same thing about Peyton Manning who shattered NFL records and is a lock for the Hall of Fame or Bill Gates with a net worth of almost 10 times that of Trump. However, I don't consider any of the above including Trump presidential material. Making lots of money does not qualify you to be president.

No, but being a successful manager of over 500 businesses,only 4 of which have gone bankrupt, is an impressive managerial success. On top of that a successful writer and TV star as well?

Face it, if Trump had a (D) by his name and was leading the Democrat polls for the POTUS nomination, you would be kissing his ass every two minutes.

How do you "know" so much about Trump's finances, when no one else does, PRECISELY because Trump structures them so that he can keep them secret from the general public?

FYI, there's a difference between being an author and being a writer. I would also differentiate between "TV star" and "reality TV star", but that's only because I'd poke my own eyes out with a pen before watching reality TV.

 

[Flopper]

Politicians are driven by a thirst for power not wealth.

Yeah, that is why they all retire poor, right?

If Trump get's elected, he'll owe a ton of political favors.

He wont owe the favors to corporate lobbyists though.

Do you think Christie endorsed Trump because he thinks he'll make a great president? No way. Christie is in the 3rd year of his second term and he can't run again. He's going to be looking for a VP spot or a cabinet position or possibly AG.

My bet is AG.

As Trump goes through his campaign and collects endorsements and favors, he becomes more indebted to others. As president, political favors are the currency a president uses to do his job.

Hey somebody's gotta take those jobs. so why not do some horse trading?

It is the people that take tens of millions of USD donations from corporations that I am concerned about.

What some politician owes to another politicians is immaterial if not illegal.

There are about 20 juicy political appointments a president makes, 15 cabinet members, national security advisory, chief economic advisory, chief of staff, attorney general, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. These people become the president's trusted advisories. Now some presidents have years of experience and knowledge in dealing with congress, foreign affairs, the military, or domestic matters. So he or she doesn't really need that much expertise in all areas. However, a rank amateur like Trump that lacks experience in all areas of government will need help everywhere. It he trades off these positions for endorsements and political favors, he's going to surround himself with yes men that are as clueless as he is.