Keep It In The Ground Act

[g5000]

Otherwise the point is mute.

It is all mute.

I think the word you are looking for is moot.

 

[tinydancer]

What caused the earth to warm after 5 ice ages?

We weren't around.

 

[g5000]

What caused the earth to warm after 5 ice ages?

We weren't around.

A guy drops a cigarette in the forest and starts a massive fire. Hearing expert firefighters say it was started by a man, Tinydancer scoffs and says, "There were fires in the forest millions of years ago from lightning! We weren't around."

 

[Iceweasel]

What caused the earth to warm after 5 ice ages?

We weren't around.

A guy drops a cigarette in the forest and starts a massive fire. Hearing expert firefighters say it was started by a man, Tinydancer scoffs and says, "There were fires in the forest millions of years ago from lightning! We weren't around."

Firefighters are trained to put fires out, so yeah, their expert testimony would be suspect, especially if they had an invested interest. If fire investigators disagreed or had no evidence I wouldn't sentence the man to prison.

 

[tinydancer]

What caused the earth to warm after 5 ice ages?

We weren't around.

A guy drops a cigarette in the forest and starts a massive fire. Hearing expert firefighters say it was started by a man, Tinydancer scoffs and says, "There were fires in the forest millions of years ago from lightning! We weren't around."

No I live with a science guy. University of Toronto.



He explains rocket science to me. That big yellow thing in the sky has so much to do with it. It's laid out here in a nutshell dealing with the Little Ice Age and up till now.

"The Little Ice Age, following the historically warm temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about AD 950 to 1250, has been attributed to natural cycles in solar activity, particularly sunspots.

A period of sharply lower sunspot activity known as the Wolf Minimum began in 1280 and persisted for 70 years until 1350. That was followed by a period of even lower sunspot activity that lasted 90 years from 1460 to 1550 known as the Sporer Minimum.

During the period 1645 to 1715, the low point of the Little Ice Age, the number of sunspots declined to zero for the entire time. This is known as the Maunder Minimum, named after English astronomer Walter Maunder. That was followed by the Dalton Minimum from 1790 to 1830, another period of well below normal sunspot activity.

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).

Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

Those ocean temperature cycles, and the continued recovery from the Little Ice Age, are primarily why global temperatures rose from 1915 until 1945, when CO2 emissions were much lower than in recent years. The change to a cold ocean temperature cycle, primarily the PDO, is the main reason that global temperatures declined from 1945 until the late 1970s, despite the soaring CO2 emissions during that time from the postwar industrialization spreading across the globe.

The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period.

But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period. As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010.

That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes."

More at link. Worth the read. Keeps the trends simple.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here

 

[Iceweasel]

TD, you realize you're talking to someone that doesn't give a shit about facts, right?

 

[g5000]

What caused the earth to warm after 5 ice ages?

We weren't around.

A guy drops a cigarette in the forest and starts a massive fire. Hearing expert firefighters say it was started by a man, Tinydancer scoffs and says, "There were fires in the forest millions of years ago from lightning! We weren't around."

No I live with a science guy. University of Toronto.



He explains rocket science to me. That big yellow thing in the sky has so much to do with it. It's laid out here in a nutshell dealing with the Little Ice Age and up till now.

"The Little Ice Age, following the historically warm temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about AD 950 to 1250, has been attributed to natural cycles in solar activity, particularly sunspots.

A period of sharply lower sunspot activity known as the Wolf Minimum began in 1280 and persisted for 70 years until 1350. That was followed by a period of even lower sunspot activity that lasted 90 years from 1460 to 1550 known as the Sporer Minimum.

During the period 1645 to 1715, the low point of the Little Ice Age, the number of sunspots declined to zero for the entire time. This is known as the Maunder Minimum, named after English astronomer Walter Maunder. That was followed by the Dalton Minimum from 1790 to 1830, another period of well below normal sunspot activity.

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).

Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

Those ocean temperature cycles, and the continued recovery from the Little Ice Age, are primarily why global temperatures rose from 1915 until 1945, when CO2 emissions were much lower than in recent years. The change to a cold ocean temperature cycle, primarily the PDO, is the main reason that global temperatures declined from 1945 until the late 1970s, despite the soaring CO2 emissions during that time from the postwar industrialization spreading across the globe.

The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period.

But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period. As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010.

That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes."

More at link. Worth the read. Keeps the trends simple.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here

No, the sun isn’t driving global warming

Sun & climate: moving in opposite directions

 

[westwall]

What caused the earth to warm after 5 ice ages?

We weren't around.

A guy drops a cigarette in the forest and starts a massive fire. Hearing expert firefighters say it was started by a man, Tinydancer scoffs and says, "There were fires in the forest millions of years ago from lightning! We weren't around."

No I live with a science guy. University of Toronto.



He explains rocket science to me. That big yellow thing in the sky has so much to do with it. It's laid out here in a nutshell dealing with the Little Ice Age and up till now.

"The Little Ice Age, following the historically warm temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about AD 950 to 1250, has been attributed to natural cycles in solar activity, particularly sunspots.

A period of sharply lower sunspot activity known as the Wolf Minimum began in 1280 and persisted for 70 years until 1350. That was followed by a period of even lower sunspot activity that lasted 90 years from 1460 to 1550 known as the Sporer Minimum.

During the period 1645 to 1715, the low point of the Little Ice Age, the number of sunspots declined to zero for the entire time. This is known as the Maunder Minimum, named after English astronomer Walter Maunder. That was followed by the Dalton Minimum from 1790 to 1830, another period of well below normal sunspot activity.

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).

Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

Those ocean temperature cycles, and the continued recovery from the Little Ice Age, are primarily why global temperatures rose from 1915 until 1945, when CO2 emissions were much lower than in recent years. The change to a cold ocean temperature cycle, primarily the PDO, is the main reason that global temperatures declined from 1945 until the late 1970s, despite the soaring CO2 emissions during that time from the postwar industrialization spreading across the globe.

The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period.

But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period. As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010.

That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes."

More at link. Worth the read. Keeps the trends simple.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here

No, the sun isn’t driving global warming

Sun & climate: moving in opposite directions

When you look at nonsense such as that you must ask yourself....if the Sun suddenly went out...what would happen? Would that magical CO2 molecule keep us warm?

And what is even more funny is your first link doesn't address the science at all. It is merely attacking Soon source of funding. All the while ignoring the fact that the global warmers are paid to lie. The government is their prime source of funding. The government wants them to tell a particular tale so as long as you obey the master he gives you money.

What is not in doubt is the computer models that drive the AGW fraud are shit.

What is also not in doubt is the warmers have received well over 120 BILLION dollars to spew their shit. How much have the oil companies spent trying to refute the bullshit? less than 100 million dollars. So mr. know it all....which number is bigger?

 

[jknowgood]

It is coming, whether most people know it or not.

The only way to avert the coming disaster is to keep the carbon in the ground. Now, if the energy industry or the government were to fund and come up with a device that removed the carbon and CO2 from burning coal, oil, and natural gas before it entered the atmosphere, GREAT. Problem also solved. The only thing that will work is keeping the carbon, in the form of CO2, from entering the atmosphere. It doesn't matter how that is done. If we can figure out how to do that then problem solved and we can burn away.

If anyone can post up a link where the energy industry is working towards such goals and devices please do.

Otherwise the point is mute. And it doesn't matter if most people don't understand this is the reality. It is the reality.

And quit breathing.

 

[jknowgood]

Wow Isaac you just ruined my day. I had given you high marks for your great postings about attack back at Islam. Now you go and sidle up with GW wackos? I am going to have to hunt the board and remove all the WINNER tags I put on you. I thought you were one of the smart ones?

I'm always glad to disappoint people.

I don't live in a box dobey, though you have a great need to put people in boxes and close the lid tight.

Real life isn't black and white it is in color.

If there is even a slight man-made cause to GW what you think"they" will do about it? Take more money from us? hand it out to "them and themselves"? USA is clean compared to China India Africa etc. What you want to do? Shut down the country? Solar Cars? Horses? How do you heat cool your home? Natural Gas, Coal, oil? you want to freeze? It is always nice to cut down on pollution and we already do that.

Last one for this thread.

The isotope of CO2 from burning fossil fuels is different than the isotope of naturally occurring CO2.

The carbon cycle, like all natural cycles, was in equilibrium until 1750. Then the CO2 started rising in the atmosphere because of the burning of trees, which are made of carbon, in large number by human. This has continued to increase the last 250 years adding in coal, oil, and natural gas. Additional CO2 that is emitted into the atmosphere every year is 35 billion tons.

The debate on this ended 15 years ago among scientists. We know Global Warming is real and accelerating. The denial industry spends billions trying to confuse people and they have had success because people naturally don't want to believe such a large and scary thing is happening. Cognitive dissonance has been harnessed by the denial industry.

It is all mute.

Soon enough the whole human race is going to be faced with something it has never seen. And it won't be pleasant by any stretch of the imagination. A new mass extinction has already started.

15 years ago, oh yeah it was global warming. I thought it was global cooling.

 

[g5000]

When you look at nonsense such as that you must ask yourself....if the Sun suddenly went out...what would happen? Would that magical CO2 molecule keep us warm?

This is quite possibly the dumbest defense of the theory the sun is causing global warming I have ever heard.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Conservatism's motto -- Ignorance is bliss (and necessary for sanity because reality a scary place)

 

[LoneLaugher]

It is coming, whether most people know it or not.

The only way to avert the coming disaster is to keep the carbon in the ground. Now, if the energy industry or the government were to fund and come up with a device that removed the carbon and CO2 from burning coal, oil, and natural gas before it entered the atmosphere, GREAT. Problem also solved. The only thing that will work is keeping the carbon, in the form of CO2, from entering the atmosphere. It doesn't matter how that is done. If we can figure out how to do that then problem solved and we can burn away.

If anyone can post up a link where the energy industry is working towards such goals and devices please do.

Otherwise the point is mute. And it doesn't matter if most people don't understand this is the reality. It is the reality.

Let us know when you are moving to a cave. We'll miss you.

Are you a climate change denier? I didn't anticipate that.

 

[g5000]

Wow Isaac you just ruined my day. I had given you high marks for your great postings about attack back at Islam. Now you go and sidle up with GW wackos? I am going to have to hunt the board and remove all the WINNER tags I put on you. I thought you were one of the smart ones?

I'm always glad to disappoint people.

I don't live in a box dobey, though you have a great need to put people in boxes and close the lid tight.

Real life isn't black and white it is in color.

If there is even a slight man-made cause to GW what you think"they" will do about it? Take more money from us? hand it out to "them and themselves"? USA is clean compared to China India Africa etc. What you want to do? Shut down the country? Solar Cars? Horses? How do you heat cool your home? Natural Gas, Coal, oil? you want to freeze? It is always nice to cut down on pollution and we already do that.

Last one for this thread.

The isotope of CO2 from burning fossil fuels is different than the isotope of naturally occurring CO2.

The carbon cycle, like all natural cycles, was in equilibrium until 1750. Then the CO2 started rising in the atmosphere because of the burning of trees, which are made of carbon, in large number by human. This has continued to increase the last 250 years adding in coal, oil, and natural gas. Additional CO2 that is emitted into the atmosphere every year is 35 billion tons.

The debate on this ended 15 years ago among scientists. We know Global Warming is real and accelerating. The denial industry spends billions trying to confuse people and they have had success because people naturally don't want to believe such a large and scary thing is happening. Cognitive dissonance has been harnessed by the denial industry.

It is all mute.

Soon enough the whole human race is going to be faced with something it has never seen. And it won't be pleasant by any stretch of the imagination. A new mass extinction has already started.

15 years ago, oh yeah it was global warming. I thought it was global cooling.

I know some of you were in a coma from January 2001 to January 2009, but no one was claiming "global cooling" in 2000.

The IPCC was established in 1988. 27 years ago.

Wakey wakey!

 

[g5000]

It is coming, whether most people know it or not.

The only way to avert the coming disaster is to keep the carbon in the ground. Now, if the energy industry or the government were to fund and come up with a device that removed the carbon and CO2 from burning coal, oil, and natural gas before it entered the atmosphere, GREAT. Problem also solved. The only thing that will work is keeping the carbon, in the form of CO2, from entering the atmosphere. It doesn't matter how that is done. If we can figure out how to do that then problem solved and we can burn away.

If anyone can post up a link where the energy industry is working towards such goals and devices please do.

Otherwise the point is mute. And it doesn't matter if most people don't understand this is the reality. It is the reality.

Let us know when you are moving to a cave. We'll miss you.

Are you a climate change denier? I didn't anticipate that.

I am a skeptic of liberal solutions to just about every problem under the sun, pun intended.

 

[LoneLaugher]

It is coming, whether most people know it or not.

The only way to avert the coming disaster is to keep the carbon in the ground. Now, if the energy industry or the government were to fund and come up with a device that removed the carbon and CO2 from burning coal, oil, and natural gas before it entered the atmosphere, GREAT. Problem also solved. The only thing that will work is keeping the carbon, in the form of CO2, from entering the atmosphere. It doesn't matter how that is done. If we can figure out how to do that then problem solved and we can burn away.

If anyone can post up a link where the energy industry is working towards such goals and devices please do.

Otherwise the point is mute. And it doesn't matter if most people don't understand this is the reality. It is the reality.

Let us know when you are moving to a cave. We'll miss you.

Are you a climate change denier? I didn't anticipate that.

I am a skeptic of liberal solutions to just about every problem under the sun, pun intended.

Hmmmm. I think you are struggling with this one. My advice.......go with the scientists. They know stuff.

 

[Desperado]

It is coming, whether most people know it or not.

The only way to avert the coming disaster is to keep the carbon in the ground.

Please Explain the upcoming "Disaster" in detail and how it will effect the the lives of US citizens in this century

 

[ScienceRocks]

Holy shit!

Mr. Merkley (for himself, Mr. Cardin, Mr. Sanders, Mrs. Boxer, Mrs. Gillibrand, Mr. Leahy, and Ms. Warren) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources

A Bill To prohibit drilling in the outer Continental Shelf, to prohibit coal leases on Federal land, and for other purposes.

(a) Findings.—Congress finds that—

(1) from 1880 through 2014, global temperatures have increased by about 0.9 degrees Celsius;

(2) the vast majority of global warming that has occurred over the past 50 years was due to human activities, primarily the burning of fossil fuels;

And so forth and so on.


So Merkley, et al. propose this:

(2) the Federal Government should pursue management of Federal land and waters for the benefit of the people of the United States by not issuing any new lease or renewing any nonproducing lease for coal, oil, or natural gas in any Federal land or waters.

Buncha morons!
How many nuke plants do these fuckin' cretins want us to build instead? LOL!

I'd like to triple nuclear to 300gw and invest 50 billion into fusion research.

Sounds like a good idea?

 

[jknowgood]

Wow Isaac you just ruined my day. I had given you high marks for your great postings about attack back at Islam. Now you go and sidle up with GW wackos? I am going to have to hunt the board and remove all the WINNER tags I put on you. I thought you were one of the smart ones?

I'm always glad to disappoint people.

I don't live in a box dobey, though you have a great need to put people in boxes and close the lid tight.

Real life isn't black and white it is in color.

If there is even a slight man-made cause to GW what you think"they" will do about it? Take more money from us? hand it out to "them and themselves"? USA is clean compared to China India Africa etc. What you want to do? Shut down the country? Solar Cars? Horses? How do you heat cool your home? Natural Gas, Coal, oil? you want to freeze? It is always nice to cut down on pollution and we already do that.

Last one for this thread.

The isotope of CO2 from burning fossil fuels is different than the isotope of naturally occurring CO2.

The carbon cycle, like all natural cycles, was in equilibrium until 1750. Then the CO2 started rising in the atmosphere because of the burning of trees, which are made of carbon, in large number by human. This has continued to increase the last 250 years adding in coal, oil, and natural gas. Additional CO2 that is emitted into the atmosphere every year is 35 billion tons.

The debate on this ended 15 years ago among scientists. We know Global Warming is real and accelerating. The denial industry spends billions trying to confuse people and they have had success because people naturally don't want to believe such a large and scary thing is happening. Cognitive dissonance has been harnessed by the denial industry.

It is all mute.

Soon enough the whole human race is going to be faced with something it has never seen. And it won't be pleasant by any stretch of the imagination. A new mass extinction has already started.

15 years ago, oh yeah it was global warming. I thought it was global cooling.

I know some of you were in a coma from January 2001 to January 2009, but no one was claiming "global cooling" in 2000.

The IPCC was established in 1988. 27 years ago.

Wakey wakey!

You can't read? Read it again then comment.

 

[g5000]

It is coming, whether most people know it or not.

The only way to avert the coming disaster is to keep the carbon in the ground. Now, if the energy industry or the government were to fund and come up with a device that removed the carbon and CO2 from burning coal, oil, and natural gas before it entered the atmosphere, GREAT. Problem also solved. The only thing that will work is keeping the carbon, in the form of CO2, from entering the atmosphere. It doesn't matter how that is done. If we can figure out how to do that then problem solved and we can burn away.

If anyone can post up a link where the energy industry is working towards such goals and devices please do.

Otherwise the point is mute. And it doesn't matter if most people don't understand this is the reality. It is the reality.

Let us know when you are moving to a cave. We'll miss you.

Are you a climate change denier? I didn't anticipate that.

I am a skeptic of liberal solutions to just about every problem under the sun, pun intended.

Hmmmm. I think you are struggling with this one. My advice.......go with the scientists. They know stuff.

Liberal solutions are not based on science. Or logic. They are nothing but old school anti-capitalist class warfare with a new party dress on.

Just because I believe a firefighter who says a fire was started by a kid playing with matches doesn't mean I subscribe to the liberal who says we need to ban all matches. You follow?