Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

[PaintMyHouse]

Now you're actually going to misrepresent my position by throwing in objectivism?

Is there anything philosophically, or economically that you do understand? It doesn't appear so.

You don't have a position, you have dogma.

Uh huh. Using proper terminology is dogma now. Is that because it messes with the leftist constant and shameless misuse, and misrepresentation of terms in order to forward! the agenda? That's rhetorical by the way.

It is the lefts MO to blame capitalism for the failures associated with corporatism because if they were to acknowledge the true problem, their view would be shattered into shard. So they must blame something that doesn't exist in our system in order to protect the government who is the main culprit in economic calamity.

I blame what is worthy of blame. The fact that you are hooked on a concept that doesn't apply to the U.S. I cannot change, but it's of no interest to me.

I block all emoticons BTW. All I see is :blah: when I respond so don't bother if they are for my entertainment.

 

[NYcarbineer]

He claims he's been fighting for 50 years to restore America to what it was?

What was it? In what era of American history - in the sum total of that era - was America so much better than it is today?

I think he means before liberals fucked up the country.

When would that be? 1932? lolol The Gilded Age?

 

[tinydancer]

Most red states are thriving even in this pitiful obama economy. Yes, its our govt that's the problem.

Red States Are Welfare Queens


Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it?

Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers.

The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann.

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

New Mexico: $2.03
Mississippi: $2.02
Alaska: $1.84
Louisiana: $1.78
West Virginia: $1.76
North Dakota: $1.68
Alabama: $1.66
South Dakota: $1.53
Kentucky: $1.51
Virginia: $1.51
Montana: $1.47
Hawaii: $1.44
Maine: $1.41
Arkansas: $1.41
Oklahoma: $1.36
South Carolina: $1.35
Missouri: $1.32
Maryland: $1.30
Tennessee: $1.27
Idaho: $1.21

Does anyone else notice the overwhelming presence of northern "rugged individualist" states, like Alaska, the Dakotas and Montana, along with most of the South? Why it's almost like there's a pattern here or something.

Where can we find liberal bastions California, New York, and Massachusetts? California is 43rd, getting back only $0.78 for every dollar it sends to Washington. New York is 42nd, and one penny better off, at $0.79 per dollar. Massachusetts is 40th, receiving $0.82 for every dollar it sends to DC.

Read more: Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

This crap again. When you use overall federal spending, you include spending such as land management (Red states tend to have more federal land) Military spending (Bases tend to be in big open areas, i.e. Red States) and other things not remotely related to aid such as welfare, medicare and education spending.

But its Rdean, so use of made up crap is par for the course for him.

Bingo. I'm tired of the red state vs blue state propaganda. And that's all it is. Statistically they don't take into consideration any of the factors you have mentioned. Let me throw in Federal Prisons as well as programs like CHIP.

What gets me is for the most part you have the bs stats based on Presidential elections, not taking into account federal House and Senate elections.

And most importantly I've never seen in one of these propaganda pieces anyone factor in the Governors nor the elected legislative assemblies.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Do you have any idea why you and other liberals hate him? Is it because you're told to?

Of course it is.

There would have to be independent thinking otherwise, and bed wtters are incapable of such efforts.

If there is ANYTHING funny about about it, it's the fact that the people these vapid parasites are programmed to hate have ABSOLUTE ZERO authority over them. Think about it. The people most reviled by the left are:

The Kochs, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and Levin.

These people can do NOTHING to harm them or anyone else.

They can't raise taxes, they can't order men with machine guns to kick down doors and throw people in prison. They can't take your property in the name of an endangered species. They can't mandate you buy something you don't want.

In fact they're in the business of questioning government's ability to do all these things....

Yet THEY'RE they most hated people among the throngs of vapid leftist drones.

If these sniveling parasitic dumbfucks had even the slightest spark of independent thought, there might be a rational reason for their hatred.

Alas there is naught.

You seem to ooze hate in every post, you are no different...

. There was no hatred in his post. We have a right to criticize those who have power over us. The Obama regime is exerting their power and we don't like it.

 

[boedicca]

Daddy Koch made his money by fracking the oil fields of the USSR. Still think the Koches love the USA or money???

How did Algore's dad make his money?

 

[boedicca]

heh:

What does @SenatorReid hate most about the Koch brothers? Their support for same-sex marriage or their support for pot legalization?

https://twitter.com/exjon/status/451520341278326784

 

[boedicca]

I block all emoticons BTW. All I see is :blah: when I respond so don't bother if they are for my entertainment.

I knew it! You're just a bot running the Autorantic Moonbat Generator on the snobby faux intellectual setting.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

Is that what he thinks he's doing? Interesting. I wonder how far he would have gotten had his Dad not built the company for him?

He got his "seed money" the old fashioned way. He inherited it.

I was just reading the New Yorker about the 300,000 thousand in West Virginia who were without drinking water because of their 5th recent chemical spill and how restaurants in North Carolina have signs in their windows "bottled water only used for cooking and washing dishes". And the GOP Senate bill to abolish the EPA. And these right wingers call Democrats "spoiled children" and "selfish". Do they equate "free" with "filth"?

I don't know why we have to keep repeating this but the EPA has exceeded its original mandate. It's implementing the liberal social agenda because the Congress can't pass legislation to do it for them. I did not vote for an EPA bureaucrat.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I did not vote for an EPA bureaucrat.

Yep, that's not required, so, grow up please.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You don't have a position, you have dogma.

Uh huh. Using proper terminology is dogma now. Is that because it messes with the leftist constant and shameless misuse, and misrepresentation of terms in order to forward! the agenda? That's rhetorical by the way.

It is the lefts MO to blame capitalism for the failures associated with corporatism because if they were to acknowledge the true problem, their view would be shattered into shard. So they must blame something that doesn't exist in our system in order to protect the government who is the main culprit in economic calamity.

I blame what is worthy of blame. The fact that you are hooked on a concept that doesn't apply to the U.S. I cannot change, but it's of no interest to me.

I block all emoticons BTW. All I see is :blah: when I respond so don't bother if they are for my entertainment.

Yes, I said capitalism doesn't apply to the US. You're the one who keeps injecting that nonsense.

 

[tinydancer]

Our government happens to made up of the people we elect into office. Considering what the GOP leadership has done and wants to do, I see why their base is so pissed. It's not our government that's the problem. It's the right winger Republicans vote into office. It's why Red States are failed states. Conservative policies have been a pox on the country.

Most red states are thriving even in this pitiful obama economy. Yes, its our govt that's the problem.

Red States Are Welfare Queens


Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it?

Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers.

The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann.

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

New Mexico: $2.03
Mississippi: $2.02
Alaska: $1.84
Louisiana: $1.78
West Virginia: $1.76
North Dakota: $1.68
Alabama: $1.66
South Dakota: $1.53
Kentucky: $1.51
Virginia: $1.51
Montana: $1.47
Hawaii: $1.44
Maine: $1.41
Arkansas: $1.41
Oklahoma: $1.36
South Carolina: $1.35
Missouri: $1.32
Maryland: $1.30
Tennessee: $1.27
Idaho: $1.21

Does anyone else notice the overwhelming presence of northern "rugged individualist" states, like Alaska, the Dakotas and Montana, along with most of the South? Why it's almost like there's a pattern here or something.

Where can we find liberal bastions California, New York, and Massachusetts? California is 43rd, getting back only $0.78 for every dollar it sends to Washington. New York is 42nd, and one penny better off, at $0.79 per dollar. Massachusetts is 40th, receiving $0.82 for every dollar it sends to DC.

Read more: Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

The problem I have with these stats is that they are too simplistic. I'd like to see an in depth study done.

Now that is not to say that a red state hasn't been on the gravy train for a long, long time. When I was checking out the financial history of Alaska my hair stood on end.

Holy toledo. Senator Ted Stevens was like a hog at the trough on steroids.

Just outrageous. And that type of "gouge the taxpayer so I can get my name on a bridge, highway or airport" behavior is criminal. Now I know he did do a lot of good things while he was alive, but I'm sorry. When you milk the taxpayers for all they are worth it's just not right. I don't care what side of the aisle you are on.

Bi partisan rant

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Uh huh. Using proper terminology is dogma now. Is that because it messes with the leftist constant and shameless misuse, and misrepresentation of terms in order to forward! the agenda? That's rhetorical by the way.

It is the lefts MO to blame capitalism for the failures associated with corporatism because if they were to acknowledge the true problem, their view would be shattered into shard. So they must blame something that doesn't exist in our system in order to protect the government who is the main culprit in economic calamity.

I blame what is worthy of blame. The fact that you are hooked on a concept that doesn't apply to the U.S. I cannot change, but it's of no interest to me.

I block all emoticons BTW. All I see is :blah: when I respond so don't bother if they are for my entertainment.

Yes, I said capitalism doesn't apply to the US. You're the one who keeps injecting that nonsense.

Your position has been noted, and filed in the bin that it is worthy of.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Learn proper terminology, Poindexter. You might actually blame the countries woes on the appropriate problem, instead of the one that doesn't exist. You're welcome.

 

[bripat9643]

Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

Is that what he thinks he's doing? Interesting. I wonder how far he would have gotten had his Dad not built the company for him?

What difference would that make?

 

[bripat9643]

Charles Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society - WSJ.com

I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives. It is those principles—the principles of a free society—that have shaped my life, my family, our company and America itself.

Unfortunately, the fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom are under attack by the nation's own government. That's why, if we want to restore a free society and create greater well-being and opportunity for all Americans, we have no choice but to fight for those principles. I have been doing so for more than 50 years, primarily through educational efforts. It was only in the past decade that I realized the need to also engage in the political process.

It's quite obvious to me why the bed wetters are so totally consumed with hatred for this man. I enjoyed the piece, and encourage anyone "sitting on the fence" regarding the Kock Bro's agenda to read it and make up your own mind.

This obviously excludes bed wetters, because they're programmed to reject information without thinking.

Hey Pete, what did you expect the guy to say? That he is EVERY evil thing that people say he is? Not likely. But actions do speak louder than words.

Watch what he does. Not what he says.

What "evil" things has he done, provide funding for PBS programs?

 

[bripat9643]

"Instead of fostering a system that enables people to help themselves, America is now saddled with a system that destroys value, raises costs, hinders innovation and relegates millions of citizens to a life of poverty, dependency and hopelessness. This is what happens when elected officials believe that people's lives are better run by politicians and regulators than by the people themselves. Those in power fail to see that more government means less liberty, and liberty is the essence of what it means to be American. Love of liberty is the American ideal."

He talks a good game (for Americans who love language like that), and ignores all of the problems of Capitalism and our society. It's another "Government is the problem" meme from the Reagan days. That helps us out not at all and believe me, Koch, who is an elite, has plenty of thoughts on how you should live your life.

Government is the cause of all the humanely solvable problems America has.

You and your ilk ignore that.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

Is that what he thinks he's doing? Interesting. I wonder how far he would have gotten had his Dad not built the company for him?

What difference would that make?

It probably would have made a huge difference, and he would not be rich today. Then again, he's motivated scum so in this country he was on his way.

 

[bripat9643]

He claims he's been fighting for 50 years to restore America to what it was?

What was it? In what era of American history - in the sum total of that era - was America so much better than it is today?

The American government was far better than the fascist police state we currently suffer under.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Government is the cause of all the humanely solvable problems America has.

You and your ilk ignore that.

Pure dogma, and wrong.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

Is that what he thinks he's doing? Interesting. I wonder how far he would have gotten had his Dad not built the company for him?

What difference would that make?

It probably would have made a huge difference, and he would not be rich today. Then again, he's motivated scum so in this country he was on his way.

Logical fallacy much?