Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

[bripat9643]

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Spreading "fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom"...KOCH style...

ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS & POLLUTION

• In 2000, the Clinton administration leveled a 97-count indictment against Koch Industries for covering up the discharge of 91 tons of benzene, a carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. The company was liable for $350 million in fines; 4 Koch employees faced up to 35 years in prison. “The Koch Petroleum Group eventually pleaded guilty to one criminal charge of covering up environmental violations, including the falsification of documents, and paid a twenty-million-dollar fine” (Jane Mayer, “Covert Operations”, The New Yorker, August 30, 2010).

• The federal government sued Koch in 1995 over a reported 300 oil spills at pipelines owned by the company, which dumped an estimated 3 million gallons of oil into lakes and streams in 6 states. In 2000, Koch settled the case and agreed to pay $30 million in civil penalties.

• “In 1999, a jury found Koch Industries guilty of negligence and malice in the deaths of two Texas teen-agers in an explosion that resulted from a leaky underground butane pipeline” (Mayer). See the National Transportation Safety Board’s report on the accident.

• A jury found Koch Industries guilty in 1999 of stealing millions of gallons of oil from public and Indian lands through fraudulent mismeasuring. This concluded a 20-year long legal battle between Charles and David Koch and their estranged brother, Bill Koch, who revealed the scheme and spearheaded the lawsuit. See the 60 Minutes story about the case.

• The University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute released a study this year that named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States.

A truly free society is based on a vision of respect for people and what they value. In a truly free society, any business that disrespects its customers will fail, and deserves to do so.

Such respect for his fellow citizen, by polluting his back yard...

Industrial accidents happen. The belief that industry can be regulated to the point where no accidents will every occur is pure idiocy.

 

[The Rabbi]

another person who does my thinking for me......ty,,how do I get by daily without all the nasty posters that pee in their Post Toasties first thing in the morning??

So tell me I am wrong. Tell me you didnt understand his answer and explain why.

All I did was ask if he was against the Civil Rights law passed in 1964, he answered yes, what is not to understand??
But please try to make more out of the situation than is necessary..

You are a dishonest piece of shit.
The statement was Koch wanted to turn the country back before liberals fucked it up. You asked a rhetorical, leading question, as to whether he wanted to repeal the civil rights movement. The answer of course is no. There wasn't even any hint of that. But you took the opportunity to slander someone far better than yourself to make yourself look clever.
And then you denied you did anything of the sort, pretending you were merely asking a question.
Neg rep for being a dumbshit.

 

[bripat9643]

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Spreading "fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom"...KOCH style...

ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS & POLLUTION

• In 2000, the Clinton administration leveled a 97-count indictment against Koch Industries for covering up the discharge of 91 tons of benzene, a carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. The company was liable for $350 million in fines; 4 Koch employees faced up to 35 years in prison. “The Koch Petroleum Group eventually pleaded guilty to one criminal charge of covering up environmental violations, including the falsification of documents, and paid a twenty-million-dollar fine” (Jane Mayer, “Covert Operations”, The New Yorker, August 30, 2010).

• The federal government sued Koch in 1995 over a reported 300 oil spills at pipelines owned by the company, which dumped an estimated 3 million gallons of oil into lakes and streams in 6 states. In 2000, Koch settled the case and agreed to pay $30 million in civil penalties.

• “In 1999, a jury found Koch Industries guilty of negligence and malice in the deaths of two Texas teen-agers in an explosion that resulted from a leaky underground butane pipeline” (Mayer). See the National Transportation Safety Board’s report on the accident.

• A jury found Koch Industries guilty in 1999 of stealing millions of gallons of oil from public and Indian lands through fraudulent mismeasuring. This concluded a 20-year long legal battle between Charles and David Koch and their estranged brother, Bill Koch, who revealed the scheme and spearheaded the lawsuit. See the 60 Minutes story about the case.

• The University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute released a study this year that named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States.

Wbat does any of that have to do with equality before the law?
You should be on your knees offering to service both Koch brothers for all the good they've done for this country. If you lived a thousand years you wouldn't have achieved one millionth of what they have.

Daddy Koch made his money by fracking the oil fields of the USSR. Still think the Koches love the USA or money???

He built cracking plants, moron. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. In those days, American journalists were telling the American public that the Soviet Union was a paradise, so why would any liberal turd object to an American doing business with them?

Koch Industries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1925, Fred C. Koch joined MIT classmate Lewis E. Winkler at an engineering firm in Wichita, Kansas, which was renamed the Winkler-Koch Engineering Company. In 1927 they developed a more efficient thermal cracking process for turning crude oil into gasoline. This process threatened the competitive advantage of established oil companies, which sued for patent infringement. Temporarily forced out of business in the United States, they turned to other markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932. During this time, Koch came to despise communism and Joseph Stalin's regime.[11][12] In his 1960 book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, Koch wrote that he found the USSR to be "a land of hunger, misery, and terror."[13] According to Charles G. Koch, "Virtually every engineer he worked with [there] was purged."[12]

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Logical fallacy much?

Nope.

 

[bripat9643]

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Spreading "fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom"...KOCH style...

ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS & POLLUTION

• In 2000, the Clinton administration leveled a 97-count indictment against Koch Industries for covering up the discharge of 91 tons of benzene, a carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. The company was liable for $350 million in fines; 4 Koch employees faced up to 35 years in prison. “The Koch Petroleum Group eventually pleaded guilty to one criminal charge of covering up environmental violations, including the falsification of documents, and paid a twenty-million-dollar fine” (Jane Mayer, “Covert Operations”, The New Yorker, August 30, 2010).

• The federal government sued Koch in 1995 over a reported 300 oil spills at pipelines owned by the company, which dumped an estimated 3 million gallons of oil into lakes and streams in 6 states. In 2000, Koch settled the case and agreed to pay $30 million in civil penalties.

• “In 1999, a jury found Koch Industries guilty of negligence and malice in the deaths of two Texas teen-agers in an explosion that resulted from a leaky underground butane pipeline” (Mayer). See the National Transportation Safety Board’s report on the accident.

• A jury found Koch Industries guilty in 1999 of stealing millions of gallons of oil from public and Indian lands through fraudulent mismeasuring. This concluded a 20-year long legal battle between Charles and David Koch and their estranged brother, Bill Koch, who revealed the scheme and spearheaded the lawsuit. See the 60 Minutes story about the case.

• The University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute released a study this year that named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States.

Wbat does any of that have to do with equality before the law?
You should be on your knees offering to service both Koch brothers for all the good they've done for this country. If you lived a thousand years you wouldn't have achieved one millionth of what they have.

Oh fuck off rabbit.

Just because YOU get on your knees and service the Koch does not mean others want to do same. You just carry on Koch sucking.

And you continue sucking Obama's dick and working to send this country swirling down the toilet bowl.

 

[bripat9643]

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Spreading "fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom"...KOCH style...

ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS & POLLUTION

• In 2000, the Clinton administration leveled a 97-count indictment against Koch Industries for covering up the discharge of 91 tons of benzene, a carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. The company was liable for $350 million in fines; 4 Koch employees faced up to 35 years in prison. “The Koch Petroleum Group eventually pleaded guilty to one criminal charge of covering up environmental violations, including the falsification of documents, and paid a twenty-million-dollar fine” (Jane Mayer, “Covert Operations”, The New Yorker, August 30, 2010).

• The federal government sued Koch in 1995 over a reported 300 oil spills at pipelines owned by the company, which dumped an estimated 3 million gallons of oil into lakes and streams in 6 states. In 2000, Koch settled the case and agreed to pay $30 million in civil penalties.

• “In 1999, a jury found Koch Industries guilty of negligence and malice in the deaths of two Texas teen-agers in an explosion that resulted from a leaky underground butane pipeline” (Mayer). See the National Transportation Safety Board’s report on the accident.

• A jury found Koch Industries guilty in 1999 of stealing millions of gallons of oil from public and Indian lands through fraudulent mismeasuring. This concluded a 20-year long legal battle between Charles and David Koch and their estranged brother, Bill Koch, who revealed the scheme and spearheaded the lawsuit. See the 60 Minutes story about the case.

• The University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute released a study this year that named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States.

Wbat does any of that have to do with equality before the law?
You should be on your knees offering to service both Koch brothers for all the good they've done for this country. If you lived a thousand years you wouldn't have achieved one millionth of what they have.

You're right...in over 6 decades on this planet, I have never been responsible for the death of humans, fish or fowl.

Equality under the law should have these scum bag brothers on a table with a lethal injection in their neck.

I doubt that's true. Many of the regulations you defend kill people every day. They definitely make us all poorer.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Logical fallacy much?

Nope.

Yeah, appeal to probability, poindexter. Nice work.

 

[bripat9643]

Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

Is that what he thinks he's doing? Interesting. I wonder how far he would have gotten had his Dad not built the company for him?

What difference would that make?

It probably would have made a huge difference, and he would not be rich today. Then again, he's motivated scum so in this country he was on his way.

You obviously don't get it, so I'll have to spell it out for you: How does being rich mean he isn't fighting to restore a free society?

I realize you believe that simply being rich makes you an evil person, but that isn't the question I asked.

 

[bripat9643]

Government is the cause of all the humanely solvable problems America has.

You and your ilk ignore that.

Pure dogma, and wrong.

It's a simple and obvious fact.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Logical fallacy much?

Nope.

Yeah, appeal to probability, poindexter. Nice work.

It was an opinion, not an argument. Learn the difference.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Nope.

Yeah, appeal to probability, poindexter. Nice work.

It was an opinion, not an argument. Learn the difference.

I'm aware of the difference. No one wants your opinion. I have plenty of toilets to flush if i want to hear a whooshing sound.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Government is the cause of all the humanely solvable problems America has.

You and your ilk ignore that.

Pure dogma, and wrong.

It's a simple and obvious fact.

It's nothing of the kind, and nothing like a fact. The idea that you believe it to be is what makes you a moron.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Yeah, appeal to probability, poindexter. Nice work.

It was an opinion, not an argument. Learn the difference.

I'm aware of the difference.

Apparently not. And if you have better things to do, do them.

 

[Pete7469]

Most red states are thriving even in this pitiful obama economy. Yes, its our govt that's the problem.

Red States Are Welfare Queens


Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it?

Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers.

The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann.

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

New Mexico: $2.03
Mississippi: $2.02
Alaska: $1.84
Louisiana: $1.78
West Virginia: $1.76
North Dakota: $1.68
Alabama: $1.66
South Dakota: $1.53
Kentucky: $1.51
Virginia: $1.51
Montana: $1.47
Hawaii: $1.44
Maine: $1.41
Arkansas: $1.41
Oklahoma: $1.36
South Carolina: $1.35
Missouri: $1.32
Maryland: $1.30
Tennessee: $1.27
Idaho: $1.21

Does anyone else notice the overwhelming presence of northern "rugged individualist" states, like Alaska, the Dakotas and Montana, along with most of the South? Why it's almost like there's a pattern here or something.

Where can we find liberal bastions California, New York, and Massachusetts? California is 43rd, getting back only $0.78 for every dollar it sends to Washington. New York is 42nd, and one penny better off, at $0.79 per dollar. Massachusetts is 40th, receiving $0.82 for every dollar it sends to DC.

Read more: Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

The problem I have with these stats is that they are too simplistic. I'd like to see an in depth study done.

Now that is not to say that a red state hasn't been on the gravy train for a long, long time. When I was checking out the financial history of Alaska my hair stood on end.

Holy toledo. Senator Ted Stevens was like a hog at the trough on steroids.

Just outrageous. And that type of "gouge the taxpayer so I can get my name on a bridge, highway or airport" behavior is criminal. Now I know he did do a lot of good things while he was alive, but I'm sorry. When you milk the taxpayers for all they are worth it's just not right. I don't care what side of the aisle you are on.

Bi partisan rant

Indeed, pork spending is how blue states get shitty laws passed. They have to bribe red states. Do you think the senate could get away with it if the state legislatures could recall senators for such bribery?

I'd also like to see how unfunded mandates play into these stats. Blue states demand spending programs red states reject. So suck it up bed wetters. You want the shit, YOU PAY FOR IT!

 

[longknife]

I find this to be a well-written, clear, concise, and informative piece that the leftists here will first of all ignore and secondly rabidly attack

 

[PaintMyHouse]

What difference would that make?

It probably would have made a huge difference, and he would not be rich today. Then again, he's motivated scum so in this country he was on his way.

You obviously don't get it, so I'll have to spell it out for you: How does being rich mean he isn't fighting to restore a free society?

I realize you believe that simply being rich makes you an evil person, but that isn't the question I asked.

His version of a "free society" is the one we outlawed, decades ago for the most part. He's a Capitalist Reactionary. His version we have already rejected so what he is fighting for isn't the American people. They like to be able to drink the water and that costs him money. No Capitalist likes that.

As for the rich being evil, that's not my opinion, but Jesus did say that was a terrific way to end up in Hell. His words, not mine.

 

[bripat9643]

Pure dogma, and wrong.

It's a simple and obvious fact.

It's nothing of the kind, and nothing like a fact. The idea that you believe it to be is what makes you a moron.

It can easily be demonstrated.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It's a simple and obvious fact.

It's nothing of the kind, and nothing like a fact. The idea that you believe it to be is what makes you a moron.

It can easily be demonstrated.

Then do so? I enjoy tearing to pieces the crap you guys live your twisted little lives by.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

It's a simple and obvious fact.

It's nothing of the kind, and nothing like a fact. The idea that you believe it to be is what makes you a moron.

It can easily be demonstrated.

Or lets just ask Edmund S. Phelps - 2006 Nobel winner in economic sciences

http://www.columbia.edu/~esp2/Critical Review Piece.pdf

 

[TakeAStepBack]

It's nothing of the kind, and nothing like a fact. The idea that you believe it to be is what makes you a moron.

It can easily be demonstrated.

Then do so? I enjoy tearing to pieces the crap you guys live your twisted little lives by.

http://www.columbia.edu/~esp2/Critical Review Piece.pdf

tear it to pieces, Poindexter. This should be good.