Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[beagle9]

. So you could give a crap less about 600 people being mowed down in 10 minutes by a lone gunman all due to him legally purchasing the tools in which modified the weapons in order to do such a thing ?? Gotta keep that dam bumpstock legal eh ? To hell with the damage it caused eh ?? If it we're up to you, then seatbelts would have never been created and/or would have never gotten the chance to prove that lives can be saved by just clicking it in, and this after they were installed. If it we're up to you, then helmets would have never been created for motorcycle riders, and they wouldn't be there to save lives as they do today. Many things were resisted until the results started rolling in, and creating the very stats in which you love to reference here.

His weapons were not modified.
And the point you can't seem to grasp is that only the person who committed the crime is responsible for the crime.

99.995% of people who won semiautomatic rifles will never kill anyone but you don't give a shit about their rights you would rather let the actions of a few be the reason to deny the many of a protected right.

It doesn't matter to you that he could have done the same or worse with pipe bombs, or a big ass truck and a snow plow

. Hard to get those items up stairs to a perch over looking thousands in order to slaughter as much as he could, so your comparisons in order to try and spin this are moot points at best. Do you think that there are never any precautions to be taken in order to stop such a thing from happening again ??

You don't drive a big ass truck with a snowplow into a hotel room you fucking moron.

. No crap Sherlock, so why bring it up in the way that you did ? We are talking about a weapon that was turned into an automatic weapon in order to mow down as many as one could in the situation. You don't want to address that for fear of a slippery slope, but I ask this are your fears justified ?

You keep arguing the bump stock thing. Paddock had a class III license and full-auto weapons as well.

. Paddock had a class 3 lisence as well ?? Makes his brother's original remarks pure lies when he said "my brother is just your average peaceful citizen" in so many words. After learning about Steven Paddock, he was anything but your average peaceful citizen living in a peaceful little town.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Banning the bumpstock would give the poor souls at least a sporting chance against a sniper with a bumpstock that allowed him to lay down fire upon them at a rate that was unexceptable, and ended up killing them like shooting fish in a barrel. Just saying.

You can bump fire a semiautomatic without a bump stock but of course you didn't know that.

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

I'm not convinced it was one man.

. It's more than one shooter, it's more than one shooter.. Now whose hair is on fire ?? LOL

I said I'm not convinced. I'm sure they're still running ballistics on the bullets and fingerprints on shell casings. Too early for the full picture as of yet. To me, it looks like a coordinated effort. For all you know, he could have been using a .30 cal.

I do know one thing: One or more of those firing bursts was not an AR, I've heard that often enough to know the sound.

 

[beagle9]

. The only other option is to go through the criminal elements arsenal in society, and to strip that element of it's weapons, but good luck with that one in this dysfunctional screwed up country now. The left wants the good citizens to go first, but do they have their fingers crossed behind their back ? I think they do.

Jeez. let's look at other country's that have tried that. Hmm. Mexico for instance. It is illegal for anyone to have a military weapon of any sort. In fact they will shoot you on sight if you have one. Care to guess what the murder rate is in Mexico?

Are you really that incapable of thinking about a problem? We already have country's that have all the laws you want and guess what they don't fucking work. Try something different instead of the same tired old stupid responses that we already know don't work.

. What kind of government does those other countries have ???? I thought so......... So you are suspect of government, law enforcement, and our republic because the liberals are mixed into it so much now, (and their power is so strong now), that you and others who think like you feel that you must continue to have equalizers in case the crap hits the fan??? Now I can't blame you for feeling this way, becauseI I am the same, so what to do then ? Are we to just let the nation continue to be attacked over and over again, while we sit there clinging to our guns and Bible as Barack Obama once said ?? Was Obama talking like we are a bunch of fools trying to hold on in a world that him and his ilk was attempting to change into a world unrecognizable by most in the country ??

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

Based on well known history governments are NEVER to be trusted. Government is made up of people. People are the weakness. The Founders understood this and made sure that the PEOPLE always had the means to get rid of a bad government.

. That worked so well at Ruby Ridge, Waco, the ranchers in Texas, and on and on right ? Our voting apparatus is our only hope to control bad government, but with Hollyweird and the left-wing media controlling the judges, podiums, and government offices in this country, it has reached critical mass. Our voting still works as proven with Trump, but many are skeptical even about how that happened, so they'll take the win no matter how ugly it was.

 

[westwall]

His weapons were not modified.
And the point you can't seem to grasp is that only the person who committed the crime is responsible for the crime.

99.995% of people who won semiautomatic rifles will never kill anyone but you don't give a shit about their rights you would rather let the actions of a few be the reason to deny the many of a protected right.

It doesn't matter to you that he could have done the same or worse with pipe bombs, or a big ass truck and a snow plow

. Hard to get those items up stairs to a perch over looking thousands in order to slaughter as much as he could, so your comparisons in order to try and spin this are moot points at best. Do you think that there are never any precautions to be taken in order to stop such a thing from happening again ??

You don't drive a big ass truck with a snowplow into a hotel room you fucking moron.

. No crap Sherlock, so why bring it up in the way that you did ? We are talking about a weapon that was turned into an automatic weapon in order to mow down as many as one could in the situation. You don't want to address that for fear of a slippery slope, but I ask this are your fears justified ?

You keep arguing the bump stock thing. Paddock had a class III license and full-auto weapons as well.

. Paddock had a class 3 lisence as well ?? Makes his brother's original remarks pure lies when he said "my brother is just your average peaceful citizen" in so many words. After learning about Steven Paddock, he was anything but your average peaceful citizen living in a peaceful little town.

I don't believe he had an FFL of any sort. He was a multi millionaire so nothing was beyond his means to obtain. I was talking to the lead FBI agent about the case and they still claim to have no known motive. What is clear is he was working on this crime for months. He was the perfect perp. He had access to most anyplace he wanted based on his high roller status, he had enough money to buy anything he needed, and he was a very good researcher. He was also, obviously, a sociopath so no law would prevent him from doing as he pleased.

 

[beagle9]

A shooting?

Come on people

Move along, nothing to see here

-Geaux

. But, but, but 58 died, and 500 wounded in 10 minutes at the hands of one shooter.

 

[Marion Morrison]

. Hard to get those items up stairs to a perch over looking thousands in order to slaughter as much as he could, so your comparisons in order to try and spin this are moot points at best. Do you think that there are never any precautions to be taken in order to stop such a thing from happening again ??

You don't drive a big ass truck with a snowplow into a hotel room you fucking moron.

. No crap Sherlock, so why bring it up in the way that you did ? We are talking about a weapon that was turned into an automatic weapon in order to mow down as many as one could in the situation. You don't want to address that for fear of a slippery slope, but I ask this are your fears justified ?

You keep arguing the bump stock thing. Paddock had a class III license and full-auto weapons as well.

. Paddock had a class 3 lisence as well ?? Makes his brother's original remarks pure lies when he said "my brother is just your average peaceful citizen" in so many words. After learning about Steven Paddock, he was anything but your average peaceful citizen living in a peaceful little town.

I don't believe he had an FFL of any sort. He was a multi millionaire so nothing was beyond his means to obtain. I was talking to the lead FBI agent about the case and they still claim to have no known motive. What is clear is he was working on this crime for months. He was the perfect perp. He had access to most anyplace he wanted based on his high roller status, he had enough money to buy anything he needed, and he was a very good researcher. He was also, obviously, a sociopath so no law would prevent him from doing as he pleased.

Thanks. I mean seriously, the guy had over $30k worth of guns in the room. No chamber-maids noticed? Hmm.

1 other thing. If he had researched so much, why didn't he have bull barrels?

 

[westwall]

Jeez. let's look at other country's that have tried that. Hmm. Mexico for instance. It is illegal for anyone to have a military weapon of any sort. In fact they will shoot you on sight if you have one. Care to guess what the murder rate is in Mexico?

Are you really that incapable of thinking about a problem? We already have country's that have all the laws you want and guess what they don't fucking work. Try something different instead of the same tired old stupid responses that we already know don't work.

. What kind of government does those other countries have ???? I thought so......... So you are suspect of government, law enforcement, and our republic because the liberals are mixed into it so much now, (and their power is so strong now), that you and others who think like you feel that you must continue to have equalizers in case the crap hits the fan??? Now I can't blame you for feeling this way, becauseI I am the same, so what to do then ? Are we to just let the nation continue to be attacked over and over again, while we sit there clinging to our guns and Bible as Barack Obama once said ?? Was Obama talking like we are a bunch of fools trying to hold on in a world that him and his ilk was attempting to change into a world unrecognizable by most in the country ??

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

Based on well known history governments are NEVER to be trusted. Government is made up of people. People are the weakness. The Founders understood this and made sure that the PEOPLE always had the means to get rid of a bad government.

. That worked so well at Ruby Ridge, Waco, the ranchers in Texas, and on and on right ? Our voting apparatus is our only hope to control bad government, but with Hollyweird and the left-wing media controlling the judges, podiums, and government offices in this country, it has reached critical mass. Our voting still works as proven with Trump, but many are skeptical even about how that happened, so they'll take the win no matter how ugly it was.

The government was very careful to only attack marginalised people in those cases. They lied about the causes of the shootings and in the case of Ruby Ridge the government was found to have perjured itself on many occasions to develop the case against weaver (who IS a douchebag) and weaver received a nice settlement. All you are showing is that the US government is really never to be trusted again.

Thanks.

 

[westwall]

A shooting?

Come on people

Move along, nothing to see here

-Geaux

. But, but, but 58 died, and 500 wounded in 10 minutes at the hands of one shooter.

And it could have been so much worse. He had 50 pounds of explosives. Just imagine what he could have done with that had he wanted to actually kill lots of people instead of demonizing guns. The more I look at this nutjob the more I think his motive was to get more gun control laws.

 

[westwall]

You don't drive a big ass truck with a snowplow into a hotel room you fucking moron.

. No crap Sherlock, so why bring it up in the way that you did ? We are talking about a weapon that was turned into an automatic weapon in order to mow down as many as one could in the situation. You don't want to address that for fear of a slippery slope, but I ask this are your fears justified ?

You keep arguing the bump stock thing. Paddock had a class III license and full-auto weapons as well.

. Paddock had a class 3 lisence as well ?? Makes his brother's original remarks pure lies when he said "my brother is just your average peaceful citizen" in so many words. After learning about Steven Paddock, he was anything but your average peaceful citizen living in a peaceful little town.

I don't believe he had an FFL of any sort. He was a multi millionaire so nothing was beyond his means to obtain. I was talking to the lead FBI agent about the case and they still claim to have no known motive. What is clear is he was working on this crime for months. He was the perfect perp. He had access to most anyplace he wanted based on his high roller status, he had enough money to buy anything he needed, and he was a very good researcher. He was also, obviously, a sociopath so no law would prevent him from doing as he pleased.

Thanks. I mean seriously, the guy had over $30k worth of guns in the room. No chamber-maids noticed? Hmm.

1 other thing. If he had researched so much, why didn't he have bull barrels?

His age and basic lack of strength is why he didn't have bull barrels. You don't need a bull barrel for what he did anyway. Bull barrels are for sustained shooting. He didn't need to worry about that because he would just change rifles.

 

[beagle9]

. Yeah, but I bet it isn't as efficient of a method, but do tell.

. Is what is shown here legal ??

100%

That's why your proposed ban on bumpstocks is such a fucking joke.

. Not a joke, but a good will gesture in a situation where virtually nothing gets done to prevent the next attack from being even more successful than the last. Kicking a can down the road is not a good thing, and on behalf of the fallen hopefully something is done to stop the next madman from doing it again. Making a weapon automatic in any way, shape or form should be illegal under the current ban on automatic weapons we have now.. It appears that people are getting by the current ban, and that is what the NRA wanted a review upon, and rightfully so.

You cannot prevent them. People hell bent on carnage and murder will still commit heinous crimes.

Why don't you go after hotels and tell them all their windows have to be bullet proofed?

And I don't know how many times I have to say this but a bump stock does not make a semiautomatic rife and automatic rifle.

Since I can bump fire a semiautomatic rifle with nothing but my 2 hands, no add on doodads at all I have not modified the rifle at all. So what do you want to do about that? Ban fingers and hands?

. The windows were an interesting idea, but as you say with the other things here, that there would be a way around that just as well. Look I understand the want and need to remain armed to the teeth in this nation, but if the leftist continue to gain power, and to gain more idiotic policies right in front of your very eyes, and you have no power to stop them legislatively or to keep your representatives in power, then you are done here. The proof is already established, so how long will the ideology of some hang on against the onslaught ?? Everything this nation once believed or worked towards is failing now, and Trump was the last gasp of air for those who want morals and standards placed as the strength of this nation once again. I mean I heard that there is now a group that wants Lincoln's statue removed because he had a slave once. Really ??

 

[Marion Morrison]

A shooting?

Come on people

Move along, nothing to see here

-Geaux

. But, but, but 58 died, and 500 wounded in 10 minutes at the hands of one shooter.

And it could have been so much worse. He had 50 pounds of explosives. Just imagine what he could have done with that had he wanted to actually kill lots of people instead of demonizing guns. The more I look at this nutjob the more I think his motive was to get more gun control laws.

"his" motive or someone's motive. That seems to be the perfect tragedy designed to get people to call for gun control. Too perfect,if you ask me.

Why were fire exits blocked?

 

[beagle9]

A shooting?

Come on people

Move along, nothing to see here

-Geaux

. But, but, but 58 died, and 500 wounded in 10 minutes at the hands of one shooter.

And it could have been so much worse. He had 50 pounds of explosives. Just imagine what he could have done with that had he wanted to actually kill lots of people instead of demonizing guns. The more I look at this nutjob the more I think his motive was to get more gun control laws.

. The part that drags the bumpstock into it, was the use of it that made the shoot more effective for the shooter. A review request as part of it of course is a fair request by the NRA.

 

[beagle9]

. What kind of government does those other countries have ???? I thought so......... So you are suspect of government, law enforcement, and our republic because the liberals are mixed into it so much now, (and their power is so strong now), that you and others who think like you feel that you must continue to have equalizers in case the crap hits the fan??? Now I can't blame you for feeling this way, becauseI I am the same, so what to do then ? Are we to just let the nation continue to be attacked over and over again, while we sit there clinging to our guns and Bible as Barack Obama once said ?? Was Obama talking like we are a bunch of fools trying to hold on in a world that him and his ilk was attempting to change into a world unrecognizable by most in the country ??

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

Based on well known history governments are NEVER to be trusted. Government is made up of people. People are the weakness. The Founders understood this and made sure that the PEOPLE always had the means to get rid of a bad government.

. That worked so well at Ruby Ridge, Waco, the ranchers in Texas, and on and on right ? Our voting apparatus is our only hope to control bad government, but with Hollyweird and the left-wing media controlling the judges, podiums, and government offices in this country, it has reached critical mass. Our voting still works as proven with Trump, but many are skeptical even about how that happened, so they'll take the win no matter how ugly it was.

The government was very careful to only attack marginalised people in those cases. They lied about the causes of the shootings and in the case of Ruby Ridge the government was found to have perjured itself on many occasions to develop the case against weaver (who IS a douchebag) and weaver received a nice settlement. All you are showing is that the US government is really never to be trusted again.

Thanks.

. No, I'm just showing that to vote the idiot's out of office is the only way out of the delema's. You can't fight the government and win. If so we wouldn't be in the shape we are now in this country. Tell your friends and family members to get out and vote dang it. Uhh the ones that haven't bit the apple yet I mean.

 

[beagle9]

A shooting?

Come on people

Move along, nothing to see here

-Geaux

. But, but, but 58 died, and 500 wounded in 10 minutes at the hands of one shooter.

And it could have been so much worse. He had 50 pounds of explosives. Just imagine what he could have done with that had he wanted to actually kill lots of people instead of demonizing guns. The more I look at this nutjob the more I think his motive was to get more gun control laws.

"his" motive or someone's motive. That seems to be the perfect tragedy designed to get people to call for gun control. Too perfect,if you ask me.

Why were fire exits blocked?

. At least people including the NRA had enough sense to call for a review of what allowed the weapon to go auto instead of calling for a ban on the guns used. But the fears turned it quickly into a gun ban attempt.

 

[Marion Morrison]

A shooting?

Come on people

Move along, nothing to see here

-Geaux

. But, but, but 58 died, and 500 wounded in 10 minutes at the hands of one shooter.

And it could have been so much worse. He had 50 pounds of explosives. Just imagine what he could have done with that had he wanted to actually kill lots of people instead of demonizing guns. The more I look at this nutjob the more I think his motive was to get more gun control laws.

"his" motive or someone's motive. That seems to be the perfect tragedy designed to get people to call for gun control. Too perfect,if you ask me.

Why were fire exits blocked?

. At least people including the NRA had enough sense to call for a review of what allowed the weapon to go auto instead of calling for a ban on the guns used. But the fears turned it quickly into a gun ban attempt.

You know damn well after the bump stocks, the prize is banning semi-autos.

Don't even try to deny it. Then all guns after that.

 

[Geaux4it]

A shooting?

Come on people

Move along, nothing to see here

-Geaux

. But, but, but 58 died, and 500 wounded in 10 minutes at the hands of one shooter.

And it could have been so much worse. He had 50 pounds of explosives. Just imagine what he could have done with that had he wanted to actually kill lots of people instead of demonizing guns. The more I look at this nutjob the more I think his motive was to get more gun control laws.

"his" motive or someone's motive. That seems to be the perfect tragedy designed to get people to call for gun control. Too perfect,if you ask me.

Why were fire exits blocked?

. At least people including the NRA had enough sense to call for a review of what allowed the weapon to go auto instead of calling for a ban on the guns used. But the fears turned it quickly into a gun ban attempt.

You know damn well after the bump stocks, the prize is banning semi-autos.

Don't even try to deny it. Then all guns after that.

Yep, for the gun grabbers, its a marathon, not a sprint

Just like ACA is a dedicated ploy to bring single payer to America

The Dems think everyone is as stupid as they are

-Geaux

 

[2aguy]

Of course it holds water.

You want to ban a weapon because it's used in mass murder which is only 1% of all murder. It doesn't matter to you that 99.995% of people who own semiautomatic rifles will never even bump fire one never mind turn it on a crowd.

This must lusted after ban of yours will do absolutely nothing to lower the murder rate.

. So you could give a crap less about 600 people being mowed down in 10 minutes by a lone gunman all due to him legally purchasing the tools in which modified the weapons in order to do such a thing ?? Gotta keep that dam bumpstock legal eh ? To hell with the damage it caused eh ?? If it we're up to you, then seatbelts would have never been created and/or would have never gotten the chance to prove that lives can be saved by just clicking it in, and this after they were installed. If it we're up to you, then helmets would have never been created for motorcycle riders, and they wouldn't be there to save lives as they do today. Many things were resisted until the results started rolling in, and creating the very stats in which you love to reference here.

His weapons were not modified.
And the point you can't seem to grasp is that only the person who committed the crime is responsible for the crime.

99.995% of people who won semiautomatic rifles will never kill anyone but you don't give a shit about their rights you would rather let the actions of a few be the reason to deny the many of a protected right.

It doesn't matter to you that he could have done the same or worse with pipe bombs, or a big ass truck and a snow plow

. Hard to get those items up stairs to a perch over looking thousands in order to slaughter as much as he could, so your comparisons in order to try and spin this are moot points at best. Do you think that there are never any precautions to be taken in order to stop such a thing from happening again ??

You don't drive a big ass truck with a snowplow into a hotel room you fucking moron.

. No crap Sherlock, so why bring it up in the way that you did ? We are talking about a weapon that was turned into an automatic weapon in order to mow down as many as one could in the situation. You don't want to address that for fear of a slippery slope, but I ask this are your fears justified ?

Yes....have you seen the legislation the democrats want....it would essentially ban any repair of a semi auto rifle and some think it could lead to a ban on all semi auto rifles with the way it is worded....the democrats no longer want to vote on gun control...they lose too many seats.....their new strategy is to get an item they want banned in front of an anti gun judge...and let them ban it........that is what they want to do with this slimy worded bump stock ban...give anti gun judges the room to ban rifles that have no connection to bump stocks by defining them out of existence.

 

[2aguy]

Banning the bumpstock would give the poor souls at least a sporting chance against a sniper with a bumpstock that allowed him to lay down fire upon them at a rate that was unexceptable, and ended up killing them like shooting fish in a barrel. Just saying.

You can bump fire a semiautomatic without a bump stock but of course you didn't know that.

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

No..they will simply bring more guns.....and then the good guy is punished and handicapped and didn't do anything to deserve it. And the gun grabbers know that this wouldn't stop mass shooters...they want all guns......there have only been two incidents like this.....and that didn't mean that the gun grabbers didn't want to limit magazines before Orlando and vegas........

No more banning regular magazines, and no banning detachable magazines. Law abiding people are the one who need them, since criminals can get them illegally or will simply bring more guns.

 

[2aguy]

Banning the bumpstock would give the poor souls at least a sporting chance against a sniper with a bumpstock that allowed him to lay down fire upon them at a rate that was unexceptable, and ended up killing them like shooting fish in a barrel. Just saying.

You can bump fire a semiautomatic without a bump stock but of course you didn't know that.

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

There's already a way around that.

This is why gun banners suck.......they know that every law they create there will be a work around...so like a snake strangling the mouse, the make each new law tighter and tighter until they finally get the power to just ban guns......

 

[beagle9]

A shooting?

Come on people

Move along, nothing to see here

-Geaux

. But, but, but 58 died, and 500 wounded in 10 minutes at the hands of one shooter.

And it could have been so much worse. He had 50 pounds of explosives. Just imagine what he could have done with that had he wanted to actually kill lots of people instead of demonizing guns. The more I look at this nutjob the more I think his motive was to get more gun control laws.

"his" motive or someone's motive. That seems to be the perfect tragedy designed to get people to call for gun control. Too perfect,if you ask me.

Why were fire exits blocked?

. At least people including the NRA had enough sense to call for a review of what allowed the weapon to go auto instead of calling for a ban on the guns used. But the fears turned it quickly into a gun ban attempt.

You know damn well after the bump stocks, the prize is banning semi-autos.

Don't even try to deny it. Then all guns after that.

. Your confidence lay within your weapon then, and not within the power of your vote. What a sad state of affairs it all is today in this nation. People are killed as we sit back in the fox holes holding our heads down, but meanwhile the so called enemy keeps having it's way with the poor sacrificial lambs being thrown out to the wolves ?? The most powerful weapon in this nation is our vote, but that had been forgotten about by those who hide in the fox holes awaiting their salvation to come.